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MDI

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 5969 Location: On the dance floor with Megan
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways
but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time |
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hdtvset

Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: 1421 Location: LA
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Basketball IQ will not win you game. You must able to take shots and make shots.
No shot = no chance to go in.  _________________
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nameant

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerShowtime2008 wrote: |
well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways
but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time |
Good D? LeBron got layup after layup. He had 40+ points and nearly all were from layups. _________________
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JSM Clublakers Site Manager

Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 70472 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Luke is passive to a fault and that last play was a key example of this.
If anyone other commentator brings up his "basketball IQ" again, I'm emailing them a link to that last play.
You can call it being scared. Being stupid. Being a choke artist. Take your pick.
I don't care who the play was designed for. You have to improvise when the defense counters. I don't care if Bron was inside his jersey. You MUST go up with that shot. The ball was still in his hands with 1 second left. You throw it up hoping for a bucket or a foul. Not taking the shot is like leaving the answer blank on a multiple choice test. That was a chicken turd play by Luke and I hope someone socked him in the face in the locker room. _________________
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MDI

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 5969 Location: On the dance floor with Megan
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| nameant wrote: |
| LakerShowtime2008 wrote: |
well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways
but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time |
Good D? LeBron got layup after layup. He had 40+ points and nearly all were from layups. |
well come on at one point Lebron was 11-25 and that was primarily to Luke letting Bron put up one brick after brick 20 feet from the basket (of course he had teammates help him out)
but then again, where were they to meet Lebron at the rim when he went past Luke? |
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nameant

Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 16290
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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^ They were sitting around with their thumbs up their butt. You should know w/o Bynum we have 0 interior defense. _________________
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Radner
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 11392
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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The Lakers, with the exception of Kobe and Fisher, are not accustomed to clutch plays.
I don't even know why Luke received the ball in the first place knowing he's not that type of player. |
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kobe35ppg

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: TO THE PROMISE LAND
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I mean I would have been okay if he had taken the shot and missed it because then we woul have lost on a missed shot. but to not take the shot when you're wide open, and then pass it back to your team mate who's 35 ft away from the basket with about a second left on the shot clock. COME ON LUKe, i know you're better than this man. _________________
prediction for 07/08 - 52-30
actual record- 57-25
NEXT YEAR'S PREDICTIONS- 68-14
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karacha

Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 15732
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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There's one thing about Luke that really makes our situation bad: there's no way we can trade him in the offseason. I just don't see who will want him. But if Mitch somehow manages to find the victim - he'll be forgiven for that awful contract he gave to Walton in the first place.
Luke played well in his contract year, but this won't cut it. _________________
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kray28

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 5113 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kobe35ppg wrote: |
| COME ON LUKe, i know you're better than this man. |
I know better....that's Luke...he needs to go see the Wizard or something and ask for some courage.
Lamar needs to do the same and ask for a brain. |
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kobe35ppg

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: TO THE PROMISE LAND
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| nameant wrote: |
| LakerShowtime2008 wrote: |
well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways
but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time |
Good D? LeBron got layup after layup. He had 40+ points and nearly all were from layups. |
Yeah, nobody was really stopping lebron at all. Not even kobe, who had lebron knock down a shot in his face with, I think, 5-6 seconds left. How come whenever we play the Cavs, the always come back to when a close game in the fourth quarter. This has been going on since like the 05-06 season. Is it really the refs, or is it some kind of a curse? _________________
prediction for 07/08 - 52-30
actual record- 57-25
NEXT YEAR'S PREDICTIONS- 68-14
"With all the penetration last night it was like Brokeback Mountain"
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lakerz4sho'
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 581
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| the wrong guy was setting the pick.. they should run a play where like sasha or radman sets the pick for kobe.. that way, the defense has to stay honest and can't double kobe. |
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MDI

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 5969 Location: On the dance floor with Megan
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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where was Sasha during the last sequence?
he was actually knocking shots down today |
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nameant

Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 16290
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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^ It's not all the refs. We always have a comfortable lead and instead of stepping on their throats we get lazy and they come back. Does seem like they always get the call or no call at the end of games though. That much is undeniable. In the end it's our faults for not putting them away. _________________
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L4L Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 9231 Location: Trade Rumors Forum
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?
LeBron.
James. _________________
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SG: Ray Allen, Francisco Garcia, DeShawn Stevenson
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bumrusherer

Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 8748 Location: Neverland
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?
LeBron.
James. |
Lack.
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Execution. _________________
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nameant

Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 16290
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| bumrusherer wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?
LeBron.
James. |
Lack.
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Execution. |
Exactly. Considering we always have the lead and lose it, it's not b/c LeBron James. Him scoring points cannot subtract the points we already have. _________________
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Radner
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| nameant wrote: |
| bumrusherer wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?
LeBron.
James. |
Lack.
Of.
Execution. |
Exactly. Considering we always have the lead and lose it, it's not b/c LeBron James. Him scoring points cannot subtract the points we already have. |
Also, factor in bad calls to close the game. Kobe should have gotten a foul off that Hughes turnover. It was deja vu (e.g. Opening Night game). |
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MDI

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 5969 Location: On the dance floor with Megan
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| JKsnoots wrote: |
| nameant wrote: |
| bumrusherer wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?
LeBron.
James. |
Lack.
Of.
Execution. |
Exactly. Considering we always have the lead and lose it, it's not b/c LeBron James. Him scoring points cannot subtract the points we already have. |
Also, factor in bad calls to close the game. Kobe should have gotten a foul off that Hughes turnover. It was deja vu (e.g. Opening Night game). |
but then again Hughes got a clean block on him
Kobe should've used his shot fake then and drew a foul on him |
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derrick

Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 197
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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YAY for basketball IQ...
where are all the walton supporters and their IQ arguments... didnt seem to bright out there on that play......... |
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L4L Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 9231 Location: Trade Rumors Forum
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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LeBron James is the #1 4th quarter scorer in the NBA. The entire team is based around him. The reason the Cavaliers come back against many teams in the 4th quarter has everything to do with LeBron James and Mike Brown's defensive system. _________________
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PG: Steve Nash, Stephon Marbury, Delonte West
SG: Ray Allen, Francisco Garcia, DeShawn Stevenson
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BDG ClubLakers.com Administrator

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Posts: 35020 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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LeBron definitely has taken huge strides in terms of his clutchness since he came into the league.
But let's get back on topic and discuss Luke here.  _________________
Slava laughed at the suggestion his skills might be affected by the down time. "Are you kidding?" he said. "Basketball is like ball. It's all a circle."
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Who's Your Mamba?

Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 922
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| the shot wasnt open for luke, regarding the original post. and luke shouldnt have been there, shoulda been a different player, im blaming this one on phil |
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bumrusherer

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| L4L wrote: |
| and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
In fact, I'll quote twice for empahsis.
| L4L wrote: |
| and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
Mike Brown gets Cleveland playing a superb level of defense. A very very tough team and an easy team to root for because of it. _________________
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Brand New

Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1071 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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dunno
he's scared to take that last shot. |
Yeah, I think he's afraid that people are going to brag about how he couldn't make the shot. But the reality is that passing the ball when the time is almost over is worst. |
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L4L Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| bumrusherer wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
| and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
In fact, I'll quote twice for empahsis.
| L4L wrote: |
| and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
Mike Brown gets Cleveland playing a superb level of defense. A very very tough team and an easy team to root for because of it. |
I understand what you're saying and completely agree.
Sorry if I was glorifying LeBron. I know how much people hate that. _________________
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PG: Steve Nash, Stephon Marbury, Delonte West
SG: Ray Allen, Francisco Garcia, DeShawn Stevenson
SF: Paul Pierce, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson
PF: Kevin Garnett, Kurt Thomas, Andray Blatche
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kobe35ppg

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: TO THE PROMISE LAND
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| L4L wrote: |
| LeBron James is the #1 4th quarter scorer in the NBA. The entire team is based around him. The reason the Cavaliers come back against many teams in the 4th quarter has everything to do with LeBron James and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
lebron is looking like a poor man's version of kobe's 0506 season. The guy is having a fantastic season. Kobe should have stepped up in the fourth quarter. _________________
prediction for 07/08 - 52-30
actual record- 57-25
NEXT YEAR'S PREDICTIONS- 68-14
"With all the penetration last night it was like Brokeback Mountain"
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kobe35ppg

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: TO THE PROMISE LAND
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bumrusherer wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
| and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
In fact, I'll quote twice for empahsis.
| L4L wrote: |
| and Mike Brown's defensive system. |
Mike Brown gets Cleveland playing a superb level of defense. A very very tough team and an easy team to root for because of it. |
lol I don't think people watch the cavs because of Mike Brown's coaching _________________
prediction for 07/08 - 52-30
actual record- 57-25
NEXT YEAR'S PREDICTIONS- 68-14
"With all the penetration last night it was like Brokeback Mountain"
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davriver290

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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this is where the Lakers should get a nice winning streak. They play subpar teams, they better make their mark. Though this is gonna be a long trip that are very winnable games. That just gotta beat these below .500 teams. Thats it. And then Bynum should be nearing his return and Ariza.
I highly doubt Kobe is gonna let this team free fall like last year.
And I doubt Turiaf,Fisher,Farmar are gonna step up now. A three game skid, they will step up.
Anyone else this team will stay afloat? or start losing like last year??? _________________ There are so many emotions at the end of the season, nobody likes to talk about it. But one of them is fear, fear that you come this far and it can all end. The dream could die. But me? I like the fear, it means I'm close. It means...... I'm ready.
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JuanoLAL

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Luke should not have been in the game on the last shot.
Where's Farmar, Sasha, and Vlad? People who can actually drain the 3 and are never shy to shoot it. Phil's infatuation with Luke really killed us in the end. _________________ I drank a fifth of vodka, dare me to drive?
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