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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways

but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basketball IQ will not win you game. You must able to take shots and make shots.

No shot = no chance to go in. disagree
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LakerShowtime2008 wrote:
well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways

but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time


Good D? LeBron got layup after layup. He had 40+ points and nearly all were from layups.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke is passive to a fault and that last play was a key example of this.

If anyone other commentator brings up his "basketball IQ" again, I'm emailing them a link to that last play.

You can call it being scared. Being stupid. Being a choke artist. Take your pick.

I don't care who the play was designed for. You have to improvise when the defense counters. I don't care if Bron was inside his jersey. You MUST go up with that shot. The ball was still in his hands with 1 second left. You throw it up hoping for a bucket or a foul. Not taking the shot is like leaving the answer blank on a multiple choice test. That was a chicken turd play by Luke and I hope someone socked him in the face in the locker room.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nameant wrote:
LakerShowtime2008 wrote:
well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways

but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time


Good D? LeBron got layup after layup. He had 40+ points and nearly all were from layups.



well come on at one point Lebron was 11-25 and that was primarily to Luke letting Bron put up one brick after brick 20 feet from the basket (of course he had teammates help him out)

but then again, where were they to meet Lebron at the rim when he went past Luke?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ They were sitting around with their thumbs up their butt. You should know w/o Bynum we have 0 interior defense.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lakers, with the exception of Kobe and Fisher, are not accustomed to clutch plays.

I don't even know why Luke received the ball in the first place knowing he's not that type of player.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean I would have been okay if he had taken the shot and missed it because then we woul have lost on a missed shot. but to not take the shot when you're wide open, and then pass it back to your team mate who's 35 ft away from the basket with about a second left on the shot clock. COME ON LUKe, i know you're better than this man.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's one thing about Luke that really makes our situation bad: there's no way we can trade him in the offseason. I just don't see who will want him. But if Mitch somehow manages to find the victim - he'll be forgiven for that awful contract he gave to Walton in the first place.

Luke played well in his contract year, but this won't cut it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kobe35ppg wrote:
COME ON LUKe, i know you're better than this man.


I know better....that's Luke...he needs to go see the Wizard or something and ask for some courage.

Lamar needs to do the same and ask for a brain.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nameant wrote:
LakerShowtime2008 wrote:
well he did play good defense on Lebron and had that critical steal, a bucket, drew a foul, knocked down a couple of fadeaways

but yea he choked when he needed to step up big time


Good D? LeBron got layup after layup. He had 40+ points and nearly all were from layups.

Yeah, nobody was really stopping lebron at all. Not even kobe, who had lebron knock down a shot in his face with, I think, 5-6 seconds left. How come whenever we play the Cavs, the always come back to when a close game in the fourth quarter. This has been going on since like the 05-06 season. Is it really the refs, or is it some kind of a curse?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the wrong guy was setting the pick.. they should run a play where like sasha or radman sets the pick for kobe.. that way, the defense has to stay honest and can't double kobe.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

where was Sasha during the last sequence?

he was actually knocking shots down today
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ It's not all the refs. We always have a comfortable lead and instead of stepping on their throats we get lazy and they come back. Does seem like they always get the call or no call at the end of games though. That much is undeniable. In the end it's our faults for not putting them away.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?

LeBron.

James.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L4L wrote:
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?

LeBron.

James.

Lack.

Of.

Execution.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bumrusherer wrote:
L4L wrote:
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?

LeBron.

James.

Lack.

Of.

Execution.


Exactly. Considering we always have the lead and lose it, it's not b/c LeBron James. Him scoring points cannot subtract the points we already have.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nameant wrote:
bumrusherer wrote:
L4L wrote:
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?

LeBron.

James.

Lack.

Of.

Execution.


Exactly. Considering we always have the lead and lose it, it's not b/c LeBron James. Him scoring points cannot subtract the points we already have.


Also, factor in bad calls to close the game. Kobe should have gotten a foul off that Hughes turnover. It was deja vu (e.g. Opening Night game).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JKsnoots wrote:
nameant wrote:
bumrusherer wrote:
L4L wrote:
Why do the Cavs come back in the 4th quarter?

LeBron.

James.

Lack.

Of.

Execution.


Exactly. Considering we always have the lead and lose it, it's not b/c LeBron James. Him scoring points cannot subtract the points we already have.


Also, factor in bad calls to close the game. Kobe should have gotten a foul off that Hughes turnover. It was deja vu (e.g. Opening Night game).



but then again Hughes got a clean block on him

Kobe should've used his shot fake then and drew a foul on him
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YAY for basketball IQ...

where are all the walton supporters and their IQ arguments... didnt seem to bright out there on that play.........
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeBron James is the #1 4th quarter scorer in the NBA. The entire team is based around him. The reason the Cavaliers come back against many teams in the 4th quarter has everything to do with LeBron James and Mike Brown's defensive system.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeBron definitely has taken huge strides in terms of his clutchness since he came into the league.

But let's get back on topic and discuss Luke here. man1
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the shot wasnt open for luke, regarding the original post. and luke shouldnt have been there, shoulda been a different player, im blaming this one on phil
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L4L wrote:
and Mike Brown's defensive system.


In fact, I'll quote twice for empahsis.

L4L wrote:
and Mike Brown's defensive system.



Mike Brown gets Cleveland playing a superb level of defense. A very very tough team and an easy team to root for because of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

halekulani wrote:
dunno
he's scared to take that last shot.

Yeah, I think he's afraid that people are going to brag about how he couldn't make the shot. But the reality is that passing the ball when the time is almost over is worst.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bumrusherer wrote:
L4L wrote:
and Mike Brown's defensive system.


In fact, I'll quote twice for empahsis.

L4L wrote:
and Mike Brown's defensive system.



Mike Brown gets Cleveland playing a superb level of defense. A very very tough team and an easy team to root for because of it.


I understand what you're saying and completely agree.

Sorry if I was glorifying LeBron. I know how much people hate that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L4L wrote:
LeBron James is the #1 4th quarter scorer in the NBA. The entire team is based around him. The reason the Cavaliers come back against many teams in the 4th quarter has everything to do with LeBron James and Mike Brown's defensive system.

lebron is looking like a poor man's version of kobe's 0506 season. The guy is having a fantastic season. Kobe should have stepped up in the fourth quarter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bumrusherer wrote:
L4L wrote:
and Mike Brown's defensive system.


In fact, I'll quote twice for empahsis.

L4L wrote:
and Mike Brown's defensive system.



Mike Brown gets Cleveland playing a superb level of defense. A very very tough team and an easy team to root for because of it.

lol I don't think people watch the cavs because of Mike Brown's coaching
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is where the Lakers should get a nice winning streak. They play subpar teams, they better make their mark. Though this is gonna be a long trip that are very winnable games. That just gotta beat these below .500 teams. Thats it. And then Bynum should be nearing his return and Ariza.

I highly doubt Kobe is gonna let this team free fall like last year.

And I doubt Turiaf,Fisher,Farmar are gonna step up now. A three game skid, they will step up.

Anyone else this team will stay afloat? or start losing like last year???
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke should not have been in the game on the last shot.

Where's Farmar, Sasha, and Vlad? People who can actually drain the 3 and are never shy to shoot it. Phil's infatuation with Luke really killed us in the end.
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