2012-2013 Blame Pie

2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Lqv2015 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:55 pm

You all know we need to blame this disastrous season on someone.

40% Jim/Jerry Buss (whoever decided to hire MDA over Phil)
30% MDA
25% Injury Bug
4% Harrison Barnes
1% Frank McCourt
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby DanielBeltz24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:38 pm

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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Helljumper on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:42 pm

45% Injuries
20% Roster (+ 5% blame to Mitch Kupchak, +5% Blame to Pau's contract)
15% Mike D'antoni
5% Mike Brown
5% Jim Buss
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Avenged24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:46 pm

Well... first and foremost I blame the injuries. We had injuries from start to finish.

Then comes Jim as a close second. Not only for providing the team with inept players, but also for firing ALL of Phil Jackson's staff, the Zen Master himself, and then going on to choose D'Antoni over the legend himself.

Oh BTW lets not forget the hiring of Mike Brown despite it not being this season.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Helljumper on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:47 pm

Avenged24 wrote:Then comes Jim as a close second. Not only for providing the team with inept players.


Isn't that Mitch's job?
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby abeer3 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:50 pm

60% injuries (not just missed games, dwight and pau were hobbled most of the year)
25% dantoni hire (didn't have to be phil, btw, i would have been ok with an interim)
10% personnel choices (could have done a little better on the end of the bench the last couple of years, and needed to know that with an old roster, those guys might need to play some)
5% david stern-residual (still think the paul trade pretty much destroyed the lakers' title chances in the remaining kobe era)
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:52 pm

100% FO

What I saw were players trying to play hard and even played through injuries. Other than Ebanks, this roster tried to take on the Mamba mentality and get the ring this year.

Jamison: "I just think we never --- from the top guy (D'Antoni) – had a good understanding of our roles."via Janis Carr


We had no identity on this team..NONE. That's on coaching!

Who hired him?

Injuries happen and some can be avoided through proper time management...but the bottomline is that injuries occur in the NBA and if other teams can remain competitive, we should be able to do the same.

BTW, Daniel edit your post. Please discuss the topic.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Avenged24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:56 pm

Helljumper wrote:
Avenged24 wrote:Then comes Jim as a close second. Not only for providing the team with inept players.


Isn't that Mitch's job?


Ultimately it's Jim who gives the thumbs up.

I am not defending Mitch here, he is right up there as well. But for me, adding everything that went down w/ the coaching staff and burning bridges, to this new "philosophy" (you can say) this team has, I'm putting the blame on him.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby SK8 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:11 pm

100% Injuries

come on guys, you were all over Jim and Mitch when they brought us Nash, Jamison, Dwight, Meeks AND KEEP PAU , could they predict that this will end up with Darius Morris, Glock and Clark in starting 5 in first round of playoffs? :bang: of course not, this season was just crazy, it was like on the battlefield out there, injury after injury after injury, what can you do more when you have fu**** up season like this? :help:
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby abeer3 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:14 pm

i agree, but the team never looked great even when healthy. now, part of that really was lack of familiarity, which can be traced back to injuries. but another part of that was that the team had about 4 or 5 attempted identities throughout the season, none of which came to fruition. that's on coaching and the management team that went with a coach despite his obvious poor fit with the roster.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Azndude2190 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:17 pm

50% Injuries
30% Coach
20% Players
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:16 pm

abeer3 wrote:60% injuries (not just missed games, dwight and pau were hobbled most of the year)
25% dantoni hire (didn't have to be phil, btw, i would have been ok with an interim)
10% personnel choices (could have done a little better on the end of the bench the last couple of years, and needed to know that with an old roster, those guys might need to play some)
5% david stern-residual (still think the paul trade pretty much destroyed the lakers' title chances in the remaining kobe era)


^^ This is closest to what I feel as well. Got to be well over 50% injuries, IMO. We were just decimated. I've never seen anything like it.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Avenged24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:18 pm

Not to mention they hired D'Antoni over anyone else because he would bring the most out of Nash.. Seriously, that was the reason.

Well, how'd that work out? The first mistake was putting that much faith in a 38 year old (that's how old Nash was when he was signed).. At his age, don't be surprised to ever see him fully healthy again.

It's like they were trying to be exactly like the Phoenix Suns of a few years ago -- the same Suns who never won it all.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby SpencerHarrison on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:29 pm

Hiring D'Antoni was dumb and shortsighted. Whoever was in charge of that made a horrible call. I don't care if Dr.Buss approved it. But the insane hatred for D'Antoni is misplaced. No, he isn't the worst coach ever. Frankly I don't think he could even do very much. He had the wrong personell, no offseason or camp, was unfamiliar with the roster and had an unprecedented injury curse. He did solve a few problems, and had the team playing effectively with several different lineups through the year. Kobe's minutes were a problem, but they were a problem under Brown too.

That being said, 75% injuries and general health. This was an absolutely broken roster from day 1. It was the Windows Vista of the NBA. Kobe being a legendary player covered for a lot, but the team was in far worse shape than anyone wanted to admit.

As far as players go - The bench played like a bench, Kobe did his part, D12 improved consistently and Clark faded late but still had a great run.

To me, Nash was the player that most let the lakers down. It probably wasn't even his fault with all the injuries and age. But he was an absolute non factor in pretty much every important game I watched. Absolute non factor.

Another thing to keep in mind: The Lakers just hired two former coaches of the year. Yeah yeah, I know, Brown just rode LeBron, D'Antoni just rode Nash, those awards are jokes and both coaches are playoff losers.

But really, think about that. Two former coaches of the year. The awards DO mean something, and DO represent professionals at the highest level being celebrated by their peers. Neither of those men are just armchair GMs on a message board brought in to do damage to the franchise. So, to everyone having a fit over D'Antoni being the worst ever... Take a breath and get some perspective. Yes, we should have hired Phil Jackson (the greatest coach of all time) but it isn't like the Lakers have been hiring from the local labor poole either.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby The Rock on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:58 pm

65% injuries
25% Front office...you have an old team wouldn't you try harder to add depth to protect the gold guys? Also giving away draft picks last 4 years has reared his ugly head finally
5% Coaching....Brown/MDA
5% Players
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Finwë on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:40 pm

Thing is, if the players suck, is that the players' fault or the FO's fault for signing them?
If it's the latter then:
55% injuries
45% FO (coaching choices, not addressing the lack of athleticism/youth, keeping MWP as the starting SF, lack of depth in the roster, not keeping Morris/Ebanks instead of, say, Glock and CDR)
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby noobiew on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:11 pm

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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:14 pm

65% Injuries (Not much else to say,as Gary Vitti said he has never seen a team this unlucky in his career)
10% Roster (can't put much blame on the roster, with 4 future HOF players we could have done better)
15% Mike D'antoni
5% Mike Brown
5% Jim Buss
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby lakersyunowin on Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:24 am

50% jim buss/FO (darius morris, devin ebanks? gtfo. pass up on phil or other more worthy coaches? gtfo.)
20% injuries
20% d'antoni (though he never should have been hired in the first place)
10% frank mccourt
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby Scnottaken on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:50 am

100% pie.
(I actually thought that the title was telling me to blame pie for our bad season.)
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:01 am

10% Billy Mac
20% Lawrence Tanter
10% JoelMyerScrotalSack
10% Finwe
10% Doc Brown
25% Pau Gasol and Bystander
15% Vic the Brick
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby DarthRekal on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:03 am

Lqv2015 wrote:You all know we need to blame this disastrous season on someone.

40% Jim/Jerry Buss (whoever decided to hire MDA over Phil)
30% MDA
25% Injury Bug
4% Harrison Barnes
1% Frank McCourt

i approve this message.. especially Frank McCourt :mad1:
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby davriver290 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:29 am

I don't think MDA is getting a fair shake. Guy was thrusted into already horrible situation. He changed his scheme to suit our players. He finally gave Jamison and Clark playing time which was great because they ended up being sparks off the bench sometimes.... What else do you want? Yeah he ran Kobe to the ground..... But it was cause Kobe wanted to and plus we had no one capable of being his backup.......

Once we get a roster that is capable of competing... A roster that is healthy... A complete training camp... then we can judge the guy. But all this hate is unnecessary and deflecting all (or most) of the blame onto him.

Injuries riddled this team. Dwight was unhealthy for most of the season. Nash was always out. Our hustleman Jordan Hill was out the entire season. Jamison was hurt. Meeks got hurt at the end. Pau was hurt.. And Kobe finished the season with a playoff ending injury (when we needed him most.)

Mike Dan Toni had come in with his philosophy.. It didn't work. He changed it (we played better).

I don't understand the hate.
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby khmrP on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:31 am

50% injuries
30% on Jim/Mitch/FO
20% coaching, the fail between Brown/Antoni
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Re: 2012-2013 Blame Pie

Postby OX1947 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:37 am

Even if you hired Phil jackson, this team doesnt win it all because half our team was jacked up. It would have been a wasted year and the annual "WILL PHIL RETIRE" crap would be going on. This team needs a fresh start. Pure and simple. They tried doing that but David Stern destroyed it. Hate to keep going back to it but there is no other way to do it. Mitch got rid of 19 mil Pau and a done LO for a superstar PG in his prime and cap relief. It was perfect to transition to.
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