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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby 432J on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:46 pm

i love glock and hope to see him back next season. this game wasn't a fluke, the kid can downright score

get rid of that bum ebanks and bring glock back next year
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby dj vitus on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:46 pm

It was fun watching Goudelock get hot and hit 4 or 5 shots in a row.

The crowd really wanted him to do well. He even got an MVP chant during his first free throws! :man13:

Wished he got more shots since the Spurs kept clogging the paint like crazy, but too bad we're terrible at swinging the ball around the perimeter to the open man.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Finwë on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:48 pm

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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby The Rock on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:15 am

How did he do? He had cramps? wtf
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:23 am

love his game. wish we hasd him earlier. could have taken meeks backup sg spots and been a huge boost off the bench. damn
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby JGC on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:30 am

I was looking back at the Goudelock thread when he got waived, and I thought it was unfair that a lot of people were justifying the cut because all he can do is score. While I agree he comes with defensive liabilities and no real ability to handle the ball, that's what role players are for. I mean no team has a full roster of guys who can score, defend, pass, etc. That's what your top guys are for. Then you fill out the rest of your roster with some specialists for when you need certain skills whether they be more defensive (Hill) or offensive (Glock). At least with Glock you know what he's good at and what he isn't good at and as long as he plays within his means he can have value on a team.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:55 am

The Rock wrote:How did he do? He had cramps? wtf


He started off 0-2 missing his floaters, went to the bench, got his s*** together and came back in and went on a run by himself. 3's, floaters, couple steals. He dunked it once, which was surprising.

Was the only guard that could consistently get into the lane.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby dj vitus on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:19 am

His defense is certainly a lot better since we last saw him. You can tell he really tries.

Only reason he got burned last night was because he was assigned to guard 6' freakin 7" Kawhi Leonard. :bang:
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:18 pm

dj vitus wrote:His defense is certainly a lot better since we last saw him. You can tell he really tries.

Only reason he got burned last night was because he was assigned to guard 6' freakin 7" Kawhi Leonard. :bang:

This. He moves his feet a lot better. Could be because he lost weight since last with the Lakers, that's what he told the LA media a few days ago.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby The Rock on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:03 pm

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/36571/goudelocks-winding-road-leads-back-to-lakers

LOS ANGELES -- It was hard for Andrew Goudelock not to smile as he sat in front of his locker, even after the Los Angeles Lakers’ 120-89 loss to the San Antonio Spurs on Friday night.

He wasn’t smiling because he scored 20 points and was the leading scorer on the Lakers for much of the game.

He wasn’t smiling because the D-League MVP trophy he was given before the game was sitting right behind him, placed in a cardboard box that looked like it had just been shipped to him overnight.

And he wasn’t smiling because Metta World Peace was teasing him about being surrounded by dozens of reporters and cameras.

He was smiling because he was simply sitting in an NBA locker room again.

Not bad for a guy who went from making about $475,000 last season to borrowing money from his college girlfriend to pay his bills last month.

“I’m broke,” Goudelock said. “I’m cool. Nobody would know that I’m broke. I just come here with a smile on my face.”

It’s an unusual confession for an NBA player starting in the playoffs to make, but Goudelock wasn’t even in the league two weeks ago.

Goudelock, who was a second-round draft pick of the Lakers in 2011, was cut Oct. 27 prior to the season opener. He ended up being drafted by the Sioux Falls Skyforce of the D-League and later traded to the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, where he averaged 21.4 points and won the D-League MVP, an award he didn’t even know existed before he won it.

Less than two weeks ago, the Lakers signed him for the final two games of the regular season and playoffs after Kobe Bryant ruptured his Achilles tendon.

“This business just keeps getting crazier,” Goudelock said. “I wouldn’t think I’d be here two weeks ago. Nothing happens the way it’s supposed to happen. This is a great opportunity, going from the D-League a week and a half ago to starting in the playoffs. It shows you the nature of the business.”

Business wasn’t so good for Goudelock after being cut by the Lakers. Despite playing well in front of dozens of fans in cities like Bakersfield, Calif.; Canton, Ohio; and Erie, Pa., Goudelock was living paycheck to paycheck after finishing up his rookie salary.

“I was so broke I had to borrow money,” he said. “I’ve had the same girlfriend since college, and I had to call her to give me money and she’s still in college, but I didn’t have any other choice. I didn’t want to call my parents. I’m too old for that. Some days I couldn’t even eat, and she sent me money. It’s definitely an experience I’m going to tell my kids about.”

Goudelock made about $1,200 every two weeks while he was in the D-League, and his per diem was $40. Before the Lakers left for San Antonio for a four-day trip, his per diem was slightly different.

“When I got my per diem, I was the happiest guy in the world. It was $500!” Goudelock said. “I took that! That’s like half my check in the D-League. … You go to the D-League, and you basically lose money. I used to tell people I might as well work at Burger King or do something else, but it all pays off.”

Goudelock didn’t want to bother his parents with monetary requests while he was struggling this season, but after he called to let them know he would be starting Friday, they surprised him at the game by getting on the first flight they could from Atlanta to Los Angeles.

“It took them a lot of money to come here, but I’m glad they’re here,” Goudelock said. “I’m glad they got to see me play.”


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As Goudelock talked about his experiences on the road, on buses and sleeping on floors, he smiled again as he looked across the locker room at Darius Morris. He and Morris were both selected in the second round of the 2011 NBA draft by the Lakers, five picks apart, but didn’t want to have anything to do with each other when they both got to Los Angeles.

“We really didn’t like each other,” Goudelock said. “We would compete all the time, and we ended up being real good friends. We never thought this would happen.”

No one thought this would happen. Bryant’s injury might have brought Goudelock back to Los Angeles, but injuries to Steve Nash, Steve Blake and Jodie Meeks catapulted him and Morris into the starting lineup Friday. Goudelock had 20 points and three steals while Morris added 24 points and six assists.

“Every time we look at each other we say this is crazy,” Goudelock said. “When we first got here, I don’t even think we spoke to each other. It was a completion thing. In training camp, I said that’s the enemy, but as time went on, we were doing this together and we got really, really close.

"When I was in the D-League, he would text me and call me and ask me about certain situations. He had my back just like I had his. I’m just glad that we get this opportunity to go out and play together.”

This was certainly not the way Goudelock and Morris wanted to get their moment in the playoff spotlight. They began the season as third stringers in a backcourt behind Bryant, Nash, Meeks and Blake, but if this season has taught them anything, it’s that nothing ever goes exactly the way you plan it. Goudelock wouldn’t have it any other way.

"For a guy like me, I've been through so many different types of situations, and it seems like I'm always the one that gets the short end of the stick,” he said. “But, you know, I always just try to keep a smile on my face, keep my head up, and you know you're always going to be where you're supposed to be. If you're working hard, if you're really working hard and you want something, you're going to get there. Nobody is going to be able to stop you from getting there whether you get the short end of the stick or not."



Lol interesting dynamic between him and Morris...its kinda similar to Sasha and Farmar they just cant get rid of each other, after LAL they ended up in NJ, after NJ they're teammates in Turkey


But forreal though I didnt expect a guy like Glock who stayed in school 4 yrs to go broke after earning $475K...after paying off agent/school debt/income taxes/trainers he should have enough right? Crazy
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby revgen on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:17 pm

Judging by his response, he apparently planned on having a long-term NBA career despite his non-guaranteed contract. He apparently wasn't the only one who was shocked that Morris was kept and he wasn't. The fact that the D-league team that drafted him admitted that he was an NBA player who wouldn't stay there very long, pretty much says it all. Many Euro teams were offering him contracts that would have solved his financial difficulties, but he still stuck it out hoping that he'd be called up. He finally did get a call up, but it took way longer than he thought it would.

Hopefully he has a job in the NBA next season, whether it's with us or another team. Duhon won't be on the roster next season, and Meeks only has a team option too, so a spot will open up one way or another. Otherwise, he's probably heading to Europe. He's too good for the D-league and he knows it.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby S.R.05 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:00 am

i really think glock can find a place in the nba, and i hope its with us. despite his shortcomings i still like him for some reason. at least a hell of a lot more than morris.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby thkthebest on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:05 am

This guy's one of my favorite players.

...While a guy like Ebanks just needs to get OFF this team ASAP.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:08 am

I hope the FO doesn't make the same mistake twice. He's an important piece to a championship roster IMO, because he addresses a role on a team. His spot on the roster has a purpose.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby karacha on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:42 am

We could definitely use this kid off the bench. I like what he brings to the team.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:38 am

Here's the problem with Goudelock: there's others out there that can do what he does that are bigger and more athletic.

He's got to continue to grow and develop. He's short, his range needs to increase and his shot needs to have a quick release. His defense has already greatly improved, but it can always get better.

He dunked the ball, that was nice. He needs to continue doing that and in general attacking the paint hard when he has opportunities.

Yes he scored 20 points and had 3 steals, but he had 40 minutes to do it in. Can he score 20 points in more limited minutes? Can he score 15 points in 20 minutes? Can he provide that kind of spark? Because you better believe everyone in the league can score 20 points in 40 minutes.

I like him, I hope he finds a home here, but he's not quite ready yet. I think he'd be a really good pusher to Meeks though next season. Those two can really push each other to grow.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:43 am

^^^^ who ? at a very limited price ?
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby 432J on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:45 am

i really hope they keep glock

kid's got a good attitude and has lots of potential in my eyes. why waste roster space on morris or that lousy bum ebanks? sign this kid and let him grow into his full potential. if it wasn't for that idiot mike brown, he would have never been cut in the first place. morris should have been the one that was cut
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:47 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:^^^^ who ? at a very limited price ?

who what? who can provide what he does?

A lot of guys can give you 20 points in 40 minutes for the minimum.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Helljumper on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:40 pm

therealdeal wrote:Here's the problem with Goudelock: there's others out there that can do what he does that are bigger and more athletic.

He's got to continue to grow and develop. He's short, his range needs to increase and his shot needs to have a quick release. His defense has already greatly improved, but it can always get better.

He dunked the ball, that was nice. He needs to continue doing that and in general attacking the paint hard when he has opportunities.

Yes he scored 20 points and had 3 steals, but he had 40 minutes to do it in. Can he score 20 points in more limited minutes? Can he score 15 points in 20 minutes? Can he provide that kind of spark? Because you better believe everyone in the league can score 20 points in 40 minutes.

I like him, I hope he finds a home here, but he's not quite ready yet. I think he'd be a really good pusher to Meeks though next season. Those two can really push each other to grow.


Everyone in the league can score 20 points in 40 minutes? Kinda like how Meeks averaged 6 points per game (not a single double-digit scoring performance) in 30 minutes per game in April?

And I think Glock can very easily provide that spark off the bench with less playing time. Last year when Brown actually played him and Glock got at least 20-25 minutes of playing time, his WORST scoring performance was 9 points. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he can improve on that a bit if he actually got a consistent spot on the rotation. He'd be able to get more into rhythm and learn to better utilize the open looks he'd get from playing alongside some of the starters. And if not ... 15 points ppg in 20 minutes? That's already a LOT to ask for for a minimum-salary back-up SG.

Honestly, you could probably switch "Goudelock" with "Meeks" in your post and everything would be just as true. The only difference is that Glock would come cheaper AND he seems to know his role better. You said you want him to attack the paint harder but I think he did a great job at picking his spots of when to attack and he's actually effective at it since he has that unguardable floater (unlike a certain other back-up SG who blindly tries to rush at the rim at full speed every opportunity he gets).
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:38 pm

Easy to point at Meeks, but he wasn't asked to be our scorer/creator was he? For Christ's sake, Norris Cole had a triple double earlier this year because he was the focal point of the offense, right? These guys are all capable of playing ball, there's tons of players who can get you 20 points in 40 minutes. I'm not exactly sure why that's valuable. What would be valuable is if he scored 30 or 40 points in that time frame. THEN we're talking about a really good player. At his price? He's going to be just fine on the roster, but he's not a savior.

He seems to know his role better? :man10:

what are you saying man? Meeks KNOWS his role he just can't DO it. Very different. Goudelock knows his role, but can he do it on a nightly basis? We have no proof that he can. We can hope and I'm all for keeping him. I'm just making sure the board knows the other side of this coin: he's not a savior, he's not going to score us back into games, he's not going to be a great pick-up. He's going to be a good piece for depth. That'll be his role on any team he's on.

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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Helljumper on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:18 pm

therealdeal wrote:Easy to point at Meeks, but he wasn't asked to be our scorer/creator was he? For Christ's sake, Norris Cole had a triple double earlier this year because he was the focal point of the offense, right? These guys are all capable of playing ball, there's tons of players who can get you 20 points in 40 minutes. I'm not exactly sure why that's valuable. What would be valuable is if he scored 30 or 40 points in that time frame. THEN we're talking about a really good player. At his price? He's going to be just fine on the roster, but he's not a savior.

He seems to know his role better? :man10:

what are you saying man? Meeks KNOWS his role he just can't DO it. Very different. Goudelock knows his role, but can he do it on a nightly basis? We have no proof that he can. We can hope and I'm all for keeping him. I'm just making sure the board knows the other side of this coin: he's not a savior, he's not going to score us back into games, he's not going to be a great pick-up. He's going to be a good piece for depth. That'll be his role on any team he's on.

If that's us, then great.


Blake wasn't asked to be our scorer or creator either. He stepped up and took that role because we had no one else. Meeks didn't. Because he can't. He's solely a catch-and-shoot shooter ... who can't shoot. And come on, I think it's asking a lot to expect a D-leaguer thrust into the NBA playoffs against an elite team for his first NBA game to put up 30 or 40 points (although I do think he's capable of doing it.

Ok, maybe role wasn't the right word. Meeks doesn't know his limitations. Specifically what pisses me off so much about him is how he ALWAYS just puts his head down on the fast break and trys to attack the rim at full speed. He's not good at it. At all. He never looks to slow down to just run a play. He never looks for the pass. And it's cost us tons of possessions. Say what you want; maybe Meeks is just trying to expand his game or something, but IMO it boils down to terrible basketball IQ in that regard. I didn't see that from Glock.

I'm a Glock fan. It still blows my mind that Brown didn't incorporate him into the rotation last year. When he did play rotation minutes, he was consistently effective. So I disagree that there's NO proof that he can do this on a more consistent basis.

I agree with most of what you said though. I don't think anyone thinks Glock will be our savior or a "great" pick-up. I just don't get why you're so quick to dismiss Glock's performance and abilties as something that anyone at his price range can do ... yet you've also been vehemently defending the higher paid Meeks who has PROVEN that he doesn't have the ability to be a scorer/creator who can put up 20 points unless it's one of the few games a year where he catches fire from three.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby JSM on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:53 pm

That article was an interesting read -- surprising that he had nothing in the bank.

I like Glock. He can score in bunches and that floater in the lane is deadly.

Definitely wouldn't mind having him on the roster next season. He's better than Ebanks and I'd keep him over Duhon or Morris.

He's not nearly as talented as JR, Nate, or the Crawfords who can do what he does at an elite level. But he's dirt cheap and we have a lot we need to add this summer and not a lot of cash to work with; making cheap players who are familiar a good option for the bench.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:03 pm

therealdeal wrote:Here's the problem with Goudelock: there's others out there that can do what he does that are bigger and more athletic.

He's got to continue to grow and develop. He's short, his range needs to increase and his shot needs to have a quick release. His defense has already greatly improved, but it can always get better.

He dunked the ball, that was nice. He needs to continue doing that and in general attacking the paint hard when he has opportunities.

Yes he scored 20 points and had 3 steals, but he had 40 minutes to do it in. Can he score 20 points in more limited minutes? Can he score 15 points in 20 minutes? Can he provide that kind of spark? Because you better believe everyone in the league can score 20 points in 40 minutes.

I like him, I hope he finds a home here, but he's not quite ready yet. I think he'd be a really good pusher to Meeks though next season. Those two can really push each other to grow.

Ok, but at what price?? We can't really afford anything over veteran's mini or mini MLE.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock back with the Lakers

Postby revgen on Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:25 pm

therealdeal wrote:Easy to point at Meeks, but he wasn't asked to be our scorer/creator was he?


He was asked to be Kobe's backup.

He's failed at doing so. Even "chucker" Shannon Brown did a better job of backing up Kobe than Meeks.
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