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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:07 am

^ That.

I haven't seen us give him a chance to do his thing. Not once. It's as much a waste as having Hill on the bench right now. Give the man a damn chance.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Kit on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:03 am

Jamison needs to post up and little more and create for our shooters. But Mike Brown is too busy doing nothing else.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby escobar8 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:13 am

I wouldnt mind having him start and giving gasol manu type bench player role...
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby kray28 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:27 am

Jamison is just stealing minutes from a better player sitting on the bench.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:29 am

kray28 wrote:Jamison is just stealing minutes from a better player sitting on the bench.



Who's that guy?!
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby kray28 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:32 am

DJ-RaZ-Q#24 wrote:
kray28 wrote:Jamison is just stealing minutes from a better player sitting on the bench.



Who's that guy?!


When he's playing at the 3, it would be Ebanks.

When he's playing at the 4, it would be either Hill or Sacre. Yes, both are better than Jamison.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby XXIV on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:08 pm

^ Sacre at the 4 is just laughable. He would get torched.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:37 pm

Jamison is better than both Ebanks and Hill.

He's not asserting himself out there. That's the problem. Not his talent level.

And yes, Sacre at the 4 is an awful, awful idea.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby SK8 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:43 pm

I don't blame Jamison at all. He is not the only one who have no idea what is happening in the game.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby karacha on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:48 pm

Again, Jamison needs to play the 4, stretch the floor for Dwight, let Pau rest, and he needs "green light" to shoot the ball. He can even create his own shot. Although it looks goofy, it usually works.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby kenzo on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:49 pm

How can he not be? Honest question.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby Finwë on Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:39 pm

I agree with the first couple of posts, it's not like he was put in positions to succeed and fell short.
Brown's inconsistent rotations + a complex offense that hasn't yet been really picked up + playing with 3-4 other bench players who can't create and don't really draw defensive attention + not having plays called for him = really difficult to produce.

Having said that, I do worry a bit about Jamison, but on the defensive end. It's been said before and I think it's true: he's too slow to guard 3s and many times too light/small to guard 4s.
But we all knew this, and hoped that he'd compensate it with offensive production -> which is why it's increasingly important to put him in positions to succeed and help the team (That's mostly on you, Brown.)
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Finwë on Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:41 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Eh, I've seen him get the ball plenty. He just sucks to be honest.

He had Jarred Jeffries on him last night. I could have scored on Jeffries every time down the floor.

Nothing, not one play, from Jamison has shown me that he'll be the factor off the bench that we thought he would.

Isn't Jeffries supposed to be a good defensive player though? I know he's not a good offensive player (lol), and I always thought the reason he got minutes was he hustled and played D.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby kray28 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:48 pm

therealdeal wrote:Jamison is better than both Ebanks and Hill.

He's not asserting himself out there. That's the problem. Not his talent level.

And yes, Sacre at the 4 is an awful, awful idea.


He's tougher physically and a better defender than Jamison, and he has a better mid range shot than HIll. Why would he not work at the four?
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby Phil XI on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:40 pm

He's just lost in Princeton. UNC isn't really known for the brightest bulbs in the light store.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:46 pm

kray28 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Jamison is better than both Ebanks and Hill.

He's not asserting himself out there. That's the problem. Not his talent level.

And yes, Sacre at the 4 is an awful, awful idea.


He's tougher physically and a better defender than Jamison, and he has a better mid range shot than HIll. Why would he not work at the four?

Because he's insanely slow. We've seen Pau get blown by because he's not quick enough. I like Sacre a lot, but quick is not how I would describe him.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:53 pm

If Jamison could be a true stretch 4 and knock down 3s at a high percentage he would actually be kind of useful. The problem is that he can't contribute anything offensively right now and is so bad defensively that he's a complete net negative out there. I said this guy was garbage before we even signed him, but thankfully they didn't overpay him even though some people here actually thought he was worth more than the vet min
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby dj vitus on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:50 pm

I liked what I saw in Jamison the last game. He actually went for rebounds and loose balls. Hopefully he can get that 3 point stroke back, because they all seemed kinda flat.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby The Rock on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:55 pm

If its not working for him at the 3 why not put him at the 4? Is Brown that inflexible?
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby vtandon on Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:31 pm

The 3 spot is the biggest (and probably only, at this point) issue I have against MB right now. The bench isn't full of scrubs who can't produce. Apart from Ebanks, they're all proven at their position. C'mon now..
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby nthydro on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:36 am

Jamison has gotten plenty of opportunities to assert himself. It's his fault he's not being aggressive. Most of the time when he catches the ball, he's not even looking to make an offensive move, he just passes it right away. Now I understand he might be trying to run the Princeton or whatever, but when the second unit is struggling, he needs to take matters in his own hands. Not relinquishing shots to guys like Sacre, Ebanks or Hill. You guys saying he's not getting enough minutes but when he's out there doing absolutely nothing on offense while being a liability on D, then he doesn't deserve more minutes.

We all know he's capable of much more than this. He just needs to be more assertive.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby khmrP on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:11 am

the offense gets NONE of our bench involved, Hill trys to do to much some times other then that nobody on our bench is getting utilized period.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby nthydro on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:39 am

khmrP wrote:the offense gets NONE of our bench involved, Hill trys to do to mcuh somethings other then that nobody on our bench is getting utilized period.


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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby c.Lin on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:19 pm

I really want to see Antawn get a little more aggressive on the offensive end when he gets into the game. He's not looking to do anything offensively right now. Run some plays for him. Spot him up for some shots. Something.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling or Lost in Shuffle?

Postby Lakers808 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:45 am

unfortunately so far, this guy is a scrub, he's just a little or no upgrade from josh mcroberts and troy murphy :bang:
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