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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby therealdeal on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:06 am

revgen wrote:
432J wrote:ok maybe tawn's defense isn't the best but it's not like anyone is actually playing D anyways.


Meeks, Morris, Hill and MWP are.

And Howard. And recently Kobe has done slightly better... ever so slightly...
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby charvin on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:22 am

Same problem over again. No set bench rotation, and that is what is hurting the team. Players can't be looking their shoulders all the time thinking "Am I going to get playing time?"
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby revgen on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:31 am

therealdeal wrote:
revgen wrote:
432J wrote:ok maybe tawn's defense isn't the best but it's not like anyone is actually playing D anyways.


Meeks, Morris, Hill and MWP are.

And Howard. And recently Kobe has done slightly better... ever so slightly...


Agreed, but I was speaking mostly in terms of role players. Antawn isn't going to be taking minutes from D12, Kobe, or Pau.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby therealdeal on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:41 am

revgen wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
revgen wrote:
432J wrote:ok maybe tawn's defense isn't the best but it's not like anyone is actually playing D anyways.


Meeks, Morris, Hill and MWP are.

And Howard. And recently Kobe has done slightly better... ever so slightly...


Agreed, but I was speaking mostly in terms of role players. Antawn isn't going to be taking minutes from D12, Kobe, or Pau.

True. Now he's competng with Metta for minutes... who would have thunk?

I think what'll happen soon is Jamison as the de facto 3 even though he'll be listed as the 4. Instead of seeing Morris(Duhon)/Meeks/Ebanks/Artest/Howard you'll see Morris(Duhon)/Meeks/Jamison/Artest/Howard because even despite Jamison's flaws he'll provide SOMETHING and Ebanks doesn't do that regularly.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Snakell Beast on Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:00 am

I think we should START Antawn and move Kobe back to SG next to Nash. That way, we still preserve Hill, MWP, Meeks and Duhon/Morris/Blake off the bench, and we can at least get proper value for Jamison. He can get wide open looks starting with our fantastic four, and I know he can score more than Darius Morris can in the starting line-up.

We are totally WASTING Antawn with these DNP games. He sacrificed to come here, when he could still be getting 5+ mil as a starting/6th man for some other teams, so we OWE it to him to find him a role. He is a defensive liability, but he has already proven to be a pretty good rebounder, passer and scorer...his skills would be maximized with the starters.

Metta could swap in to back him up at the 3, and Kobe could also cover the 3 sometimes when Metta is at the 4. Jordan Hill can swap with Metta at the 4 when Jamison is not on the court, and Hill and Pau can swap at the 5 behind Howard. Antawn needs to PLAY. He's a rythm guy, so if he is in a rythm and confident, he is a MUCH better player.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:28 am

weve tried ebanks starting and morris so why not jamison...obviously defense is a problem but i still think he deserves a chance to start and show what he can do.

obviously not against teams with star sf's but i think he should get the start one game and see what happens. cant be worse than the 5 mins ebanks brought us when he started
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:41 am

I just don't see a fit for Jamison with this roster. If we need scoring from the 4 we play Pau.. If we need intangibles & toughness we play Hill. Both much better rebounders than Tawn. If we need to go with a quick lineup we go with Ron. Better 3 point shooter & actually plays D, slight downgrade on rebounding but nothing the team doesn't make up. Jamison is absolutely terrible at the 3. He doesn't make sense with the starters because all he can do is score, & he's the 4th/5th option with the startrts.. He doesn't make sense with the bench because we need Hill's toughness at the 4 more than Jamison's scoring, & we can't have his slowness at the 3. Would be great if we end up trading him instead of Hill. Both guys are great values.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby 432J on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:30 am

Snakell Beast wrote:I think we should START Antawn and move Kobe back to SG next to Nash. That way, we still preserve Hill, MWP, Meeks and Duhon/Morris/Blake off the bench, and we can at least get proper value for Jamison. He can get wide open looks starting with our fantastic four, and I know he can score more than Darius Morris can in the starting line-up.

We are totally WASTING Antawn with these DNP games. He sacrificed to come here, when he could still be getting 5+ mil as a starting/6th man for some other teams, so we OWE it to him to find him a role. He is a defensive liability, but he has already proven to be a pretty good rebounder, passer and scorer...his skills would be maximized with the starters.

Metta could swap in to back him up at the 3, and Kobe could also cover the 3 sometimes when Metta is at the 4. Jordan Hill can swap with Metta at the 4 when Jamison is not on the court, and Hill and Pau can swap at the 5 behind Howard. Antawn needs to PLAY. He's a rythm guy, so if he is in a rythm and confident, he is a MUCH better player.

completely agree with this

instead of garbage ebanks starting at the 2, start jamison at the 3 so kobe can play his natural position. jamison is just rotting away on the bench and i dont understand why dan tony is playing ebanks over him. this guy can still contribute as we've seen this season! it really annoys me to see him not getting any playing time when he can still bring something to the table. he NEEDS to play
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby karacha on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:45 am

Something needs to be done. He can produce and should get at least 15 minutes.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Weezy on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:08 pm

I just can't see this guy never playing for us again, rotting on the bench. There has to be a spot for him, and if there's not we should move him so he doesn't end his career a spectator, not what he signed up for.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Ras Algethi on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:09 pm

Yeah he's got to get in there some where. Just no room with Ron playing some 4 and Hill getting minutes now.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby denimPortugal on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:13 pm

karacha wrote:Something needs to be done. He can produce and should get at least 15 minutes.

Absolutely!MDA! :bang:
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby D.B. Cooper on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:14 pm

He's proly just a practice player now, kinda like the Josh Powell role.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:16 pm

something tells me he still has an important role to play in all of this. we'll see him again
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:17 pm

There's minutes for him and those minutes are located where Kobe Bryant is playing too many minutes. Put Jamison at the 3 and MWP at the 4 and have them cross match on defense.

There's 6-7 minutes a night for him right there.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:35 pm

vet min, gave us production when he got the minutes, wasn't terrible on defense.
I would really like to see him getting minutes out there, he can put up points for us & stretch the floor.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby XXIV on Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:02 pm

I really want to see what he can do with Nash out there, hopefully he finds a way on the floor soon.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:04 pm

maybe hell play tomorrow since its a back to back. probably not though.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby JSM on Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:36 pm

I thought he looked good when we finally made a coaching change. But he went from looking like a 6th man of the year candidate to a complete irrelevant piece. I just don't see how that happens over night.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Center Court on Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:01 pm

If MDA would just start Ron at the 3 (who is spacing the floor well) we could give Jamison the back up 4 mins and Hill the backup 5.

I hope he'll get it right soon
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby khmrP on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:27 pm

mwp should start, enough with the experiments with Meeks/Morris starting, they both just get owned by whoever they are guarding.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Center Court on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:48 pm

khmrP wrote:mwp should start, enough with the experiments with Meeks/Morris starting, they both just get owned by whoever they are guarding.



Plus it takes away from our bench. I'll give MDA the benefit of the doubt because he didn't have a training camp to work with this roster, but I have a feeling he may just leave things the way they are for a little while.

What is ironic is that as soon as he arrived, Jamison was playing like an all star at best and 6th man at worst. Not sure why you'd want to lose that just to start Meeks or Morris and put Metta at the 3.

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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby StudentOfTheGame on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:31 am

I'm really not a fan of the way Jamison plays defense. He's always had the rep as a poor defender, but he really was downright awful prior to his benching.

Personally, I think it's a good move right now. Can't have that kind of defense being played when the team is trying to climb out of a hole. It's allowed some more minutes for Hill, so that's good too. It sucks to see a guy get phased out, but the team is improving and winning. Time to solidify a rotation and go with it.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:40 am

StudentOfTheGame wrote:I'm really not a fan of the way Jamison plays defense. He's always had the rep as a poor defender, but he really was downright awful prior to his benching.

Personally, I think it's a good move right now. Can't have that kind of defense being played when the team is trying to climb out of a hole. It's allowed some more minutes for Hill, so that's good too. It sucks to see a guy get phased out, but the team is improving and winning. Time to solidify a rotation and go with it.


Agreed.

He'll start to come back into the rotation in a little bit I think. Ron off the bench is totally cool, but I'd prefer him playing a little less and using Jamison as the backup 3. I think that'll happen eventually, but MDA is still playing with the roster.

Props to this guy for being a professional though. He's always cheering on the bench and that's good to see.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:43 pm

It's sometimes hard for me to notice Jamison's defensive lapses. Not everyone is going to be able to stay in front of their man every play. But we got teammates.

But if that's the reason we benched him, fine. Otherwise, dude is potent offensively. He should be coming off the bench lighting other teams up and making them go "WTF?".

Thought of a few times Jamison could've nailed some treys and helped yesterday vs NYN when our offense was lacking.

My bottom line: If D'Antoni can't figure out a way to use Jamison effectively & advantageously (albeit minimally), it's on him as a coach.
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