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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:18 pm

fksteveblake wrote:we're just scared cuz of all the other serviceable players that come to the lakers and decide to suck

Like who? Which players were serviceable when they came to the Lakers and started to suck?
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Kit on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:30 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
fksteveblake wrote:we're just scared cuz of all the other serviceable players that come to the lakers and decide to suck

Like who? Which players were serviceable when they came to the Lakers and started to suck?



Steve Blake
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby The Rock on Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:31 pm

Im starting to change my opinion on where he should be playing...I think he needs to play the 4 and Ebanks is playing too well to not get minutes. Id put either Sacre/Hill or Pau as the 2nd unit Center, run Jamison, Ebanks, Meeks and whatever PG. Right now we need Jamison more than Sacre or Hill, Id try to put him in position where hes the most effective. 2 games in a row hes just floating in the perimeter and passing it off.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:50 pm

Kit wrote:
Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
fksteveblake wrote:we're just scared cuz of all the other serviceable players that come to the lakers and decide to suck

Like who? Which players were serviceable when they came to the Lakers and started to suck?



Steve Blake

Blake has been mediocre his entire career outside of one good season with Portland. He was far from serviceable. For his career he has only averaged 6.9 points on 40 percent shooting. He has never really been anything more than a backup point guard.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby The Rock on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:57 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
Kit wrote:
Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
fksteveblake wrote:we're just scared cuz of all the other serviceable players that come to the lakers and decide to suck

Like who? Which players were serviceable when they came to the Lakers and started to suck?



Steve Blake

Blake has been mediocre his entire career outside of one good season with Portland. He was far from serviceable. For his career he has only averaged 6.9 points on 40 percent shooting. He has never really been anything more than a backup point guard.


He always lit us up. ALWAYS. So we had the impression he'd be good. His last game before he became a Laker, he dropped a triple double on us.

Here are his numbers vs Lakers for his career

21 games, 27mins/gm, 10.6 points, 44% FG, 49% 3s, 5 assists.

His 2nd highest point average is 8.4 points and its vs Phoenix.

He scores 2 full points more vs Lakers than he does vs any other team in the league and he shoots the lights out.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:59 pm

Everytime a good role player or shooter comes to L.A he is crap for us.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:02 pm

^ Well lighting up wasn't exactly a great accomplishment considering he mostly went up against a huge defensive liability whether it be Smush Parker, Tiere Brown, or Derek Fisher. There's been alot of average point guards who lit us up over the years and Blake was one of them.

I think in that last game he fooled us. Based off that one game we all thought we were getting a guy who could come in be a solid backup to Fisher and eventually be the starter. Never of those two things ever happened which is a big reason we haven't gotten past the second round in the two seasons Blake has been here.

Now we finally have a legit starting point guard who also happens to be one of the best to ever play the point guard position in Steve Nash. Very exciting prospect to say the least. Even if Nash has an off year he'll still be a huge, huge upgrade over Sessions and Blake.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby The Rock on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:06 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:^ Well lighting up wasn't exactly a great accomplishment considering he mostly went up against a huge defensive liability whether it be Smush Parker, Tiere Brown, or Derek Fisher. There's been alot of average point guards who lit us up over the years and Blake was one of them.

I think in that last game he fooled us. Based off that one game we all thought we were getting a guy who could come in be a solid backup to Fisher and eventually be the starter. Never of those two things ever happened which is a big reason we haven't gotten past the second round in the two seasons Blake has been here.

Now we finally have a legit starting point guard who also happens to be one of the best to ever play the point guard position in Steve Nash. Very exciting prospect to say the least. Even if Nash has an off year he'll still be a huge, huge upgrade over Sessions and Blake.


that realization came 1 full year after he signed with us. Mitch included. Nobody thought he'd be this mediocre
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby kray28 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:20 pm

Part of the problem with Jamison is that he's got a fork sticking out of his back, and the other is that Mike Brown thinks he's a small forward.

Newflash for Mike, it's 2012, not 2002. If you want to play Jamison, try him at the 4...in the process, you might actually get Pau some more rest.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:39 am

My take of Jamison's struggles are that he's never been a short stint player. His career low in minutes per game is 32.4 other than one season in Dallas where he got only 29 and his rookie year.

He's got to adjust to coming off the bench and to his teammates. I think he'll bet better as the season goes along but anyone expecting more than 10 to 11 points a game is going to be disappointed I believe.... unless we have an injury he's going to get 15 to 20 minutes in 3 or 4 short stints with Brown.... that's difficult to find a rhythm with that kind of use.

He's also showing signs of age. His shooting % is getting lower every year for the last 4 years with last year's being at just over 40%.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:10 am

Lol people are actually surprised that this guy sucks.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby kenzo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:21 am

kray28 wrote:Part of the problem with Jamison is that he's got a fork sticking out of his back, and the other is that Mike Brown thinks he's a small forward.

Newflash for Mike, it's 2012, not 2002. If you want to play Jamison, try him at the 4...in the process, you might actually get Pau some more rest.

That would be a win for Antawn, win for Pau and win for the Lakers... which means Brown will eff it up.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby karacha on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:23 am

If Ray Allen came to the Lakers, his 3pt % would drop to 25%.


All kidding aside, we need Jamison to play minutes at the 4, and we also need him to score 8-10 on a regular basis.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:51 am

Any offensive output he gives us is basically negated by the fact that he's possibly the worst defender in the NBA. There is a reason I wasn't high on this guy when we got him even for the vet min.

We can really only depend on Hill and Meeks to be our go-to guys off the bench
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby nthydro on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:51 am

The part that bothers me most is his complacency. He's not even trying to get his game going. At all. He's running through the motions. It's not like he's only been a spot up shooter his whole career. He's a scorer. But so far he's shown none of his offensive skills. Why in the world is he taking a backseat to guys like Sacre, Hill, Meeks and Ebanks? I don't expect him to be competing for 6th man of the year at this point in his career but he's certainly capable of double digit points off the bench.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby v1n5anity on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:04 am

LOL but KeepBynum said Jamison is supposed to match Harden production-wise :man10: :man10:

Hilarious that he laughed when I said Jamison averaging 10-12 ppg would be optimistic.

I honestly would be surprised if Jamison averaged more than 10 ppg.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby 24/23goats on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:55 am

shoulda watched more cavs games; you woulda known what you were getting with jamison. He can score 18-20 points, but it takes him 35-40 bad shots to do it..that with his horrible D makes jamison not worth it imo
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby cthroatgtr on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:10 pm

They didn't pay a lot for Jamison so if he doesn't work out it won't be that bad. Right now Hill's energy is more important and if Ebanks plays better as MWPs backup, then Jamison may be the odd man out. I am not sure there were many other options out there. Still he should be playing PF not SF.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Finwë on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:18 pm

24/23goats wrote:shoulda watched more cavs games; you woulda known what you were getting with jamison. He can score 18-20 points, but it takes him 35-40 bad shots to do it..that with his horrible D makes jamison not worth it imo

Too bad you weren't around to tell Mitch Kupchak that and help him avoid making a really bad move
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby nthydro on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:29 pm

V1n5anity wrote:LOL but KeepBynum said Jamison is supposed to match Harden production-wise :man10: :man10:

Hilarious that he laughed when I said Jamison averaging 10-12 ppg would be optimistic.

I honestly would be surprised if Jamison averaged more than 10 ppg.


Did he really say that :man3:
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby v1n5anity on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:17 pm

nthydro wrote:
V1n5anity wrote:LOL but KeepBynum said Jamison is supposed to match Harden production-wise :man10: :man10:

Hilarious that he laughed when I said Jamison averaging 10-12 ppg would be optimistic.

I honestly would be surprised if Jamison averaged more than 10 ppg.


Did he really say that :man3:


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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:50 pm

Why do you have to dig that up to tease him?

He doesn't deserve that.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby GoldHammish on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:07 pm

therealdeal wrote:Why do you have to dig that up to tease him?

He doesn't deserve that.

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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:29 pm

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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Struggling

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:50 pm

im not scared he wont produce but he wont give us more than 10ppg with the minutes hes getting. i think he'd get more playing with Nash and Pau anchoring the 2nd unit.

so maybe some rotations with be mixed around throughout games.
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