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Postby Lakerjones on Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:19 pm

All depends on Kobe's health. If Kobe can somehow miraculously come back at anywhere near where he was last year we could go for 45 plus wins. If Kobe is human and either misses significant time or just isn't the same player we could be in for a world of hurt with like 30-35 wins. There is no one on this team currently who can truly step in for him and do any of the load carrying that he does. We look pedestrian at best without him. I don't think anyone has any inkling of how he'll play or where we'll end up. Pretty sure we don't win a championship though.
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:32 pm

trodgers wrote:So...7 wins,Roo?


Is that your guess?....

I've posted twice that I think a ceiling is around 42 and the basement could be anywhere from the low to mid 30's depending on health. Scoring will be difficult without a go to guy for a while until Kobe is fully ready to carry the load again. That could dig us a pretty deep hole right out of the gate.

Until Kobe is back We're going to rely on guys like Young, Meeks and Pau for the bulk of our scoring..... Nuff said I think.
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:50 pm

Rooscooter wrote:We won 45 last year with Howard and Kobe playing 90% of the games. Howard's gone and Kobe will be gone for 1/3 of the season or so and probably limited for over 2/3 of it and some of you think we're going to get better?

Pau is a shell of what he was 4 years ago, Nash is 40 and breaking down and our bench isn't much better than last year. Antwan and MWP were replaced by Kaman, Young and Farmar. Not sure thats an upgrade in winning.... athleticism maybe but at least Antwan and MWP KNEW what to do out there most of the time.

I think if we are completely healthy AND Kobe can come back and average 22 or so we can win 40 to 42 games but looking at this realistically I think we'll see injuries to Nash and Pau off and on all season again and we'll be putting different line ups out there on a nightly basis depending on who's ready to go.



I figured out who Roo is reminding me of. In a gentler sort of a way. Who here, that's been here, back prior to getting Gasol remembers Leftymo? Roo.....he is /was attached to the medical industry as well as he is/was a doctor. NY I think, always had "the dump" attached to it. But he was much more acerbicly always giving the hard facts of most matters and pointing out why we weren't going to win jack. He was pretty much right most of the time, but it was also kind of grating. Not like you, not saying that. Of late you have become a kinder, gentler version of him.

But then we had Bynum to somewhat rely on, got Gasol and not sure exactly when he stopped posting but he mellowed quite a bit at the end and was a lot more up with his posts. Then seemed to disappear. Actually miss his posts as they were knowledgeable. I got the impression he was a left handed baller during college years. Maybe MO? Had another doctor named gamecockMD (not sure of capitalization in front) He was very knowledgeable (and I think an ex college baller as well) but could really get too passionate about his stuff. Finally got him bounced.

Wonder if any doctors left.
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:14 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:We won 45 last year with Howard and Kobe playing 90% of the games. Howard's gone and Kobe will be gone for 1/3 of the season or so and probably limited for over 2/3 of it and some of you think we're going to get better?

Pau is a shell of what he was 4 years ago, Nash is 40 and breaking down and our bench isn't much better than last year. Antwan and MWP were replaced by Kaman, Young and Farmar. Not sure thats an upgrade in winning.... athleticism maybe but at least Antwan and MWP KNEW what to do out there most of the time.

I think if we are completely healthy AND Kobe can come back and average 22 or so we can win 40 to 42 games but looking at this realistically I think we'll see injuries to Nash and Pau off and on all season again and we'll be putting different line ups out there on a nightly basis depending on who's ready to go.



I figured out who Roo is reminding me of. In a gentler sort of a way. Who here, that's been here, back prior to getting Gasol remembers Leftymo? Roo.....he is /was attached to the medical industry as well as he is/was a doctor. NY I think, always had "the dump" attached to it. But he was much more acerbicly always giving the hard facts of most matters and pointing out why we weren't going to win jack. He was pretty much right most of the time, but it was also kind of grating. Not like you, not saying that. Of late you have become a kinder, gentler version of him.

But then we had Bynum to somewhat rely on, got Gasol and not sure exactly when he stopped posting but he mellowed quite a bit at the end and was a lot more up with his posts. Then seemed to disappear. Actually miss his posts as they were knowledgeable. I got the impression he was a left handed baller during college years. Maybe MO? Had another doctor named gamecockMD (not sure of capitalization in front) He was very knowledgeable (and I think an ex college baller as well) but could really get too passionate about his stuff. Finally got him bounced.

Wonder if any doctors left.


:man10: ..... Did it ever occur to you that the reality of the circumstances of the team have changed and that's why my posts might not be as optimistic as they used to be?

If you think I'm grating.... Take it up with the mods otherwise the "ignore" feature works for me pretty well...
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:30 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
LTLakerFan wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:We won 45 last year with Howard and Kobe playing 90% of the games. Howard's gone and Kobe will be gone for 1/3 of the season or so and probably limited for over 2/3 of it and some of you think we're going to get better?

Pau is a shell of what he was 4 years ago, Nash is 40 and breaking down and our bench isn't much better than last year. Antwan and MWP were replaced by Kaman, Young and Farmar. Not sure thats an upgrade in winning.... athleticism maybe but at least Antwan and MWP KNEW what to do out there most of the time.

I think if we are completely healthy AND Kobe can come back and average 22 or so we can win 40 to 42 games but looking at this realistically I think we'll see injuries to Nash and Pau off and on all season again and we'll be putting different line ups out there on a nightly basis depending on who's ready to go.



I figured out who Roo is reminding me of. In a gentler sort of a way. Who here, that's been here, back prior to getting Gasol remembers Leftymo? Roo.....he is /was attached to the medical industry as well as he is/was a doctor. NY I think, always had "the dump" attached to it. But he was much more acerbicly always giving the hard facts of most matters and pointing out why we weren't going to win jack. He was pretty much right most of the time, but it was also kind of grating. Not like you, not saying that. Of late you have become a kinder, gentler version of him.

But then we had Bynum to somewhat rely on, got Gasol and not sure exactly when he stopped posting but he mellowed quite a bit at the end and was a lot more up with his posts. Then seemed to disappear. Actually miss his posts as they were knowledgeable. I got the impression he was a left handed baller during college years. Maybe MO? Had another doctor named gamecockMD (not sure of capitalization in front) He was very knowledgeable (and I think an ex college baller as well) but could really get too passionate about his stuff. Finally got him bounced.

Wonder if any doctors left.


:man10: ..... Did it ever occur to you that the reality of the circumstances of the team have changed and that's why my posts might not be as optimistic as they used to be?

If you think I'm grating.... Take it up with the mods otherwise the "ignore" feature works for me pretty well...


No no no, you took it totally wrong. I said twice you were doing a kinder, gentler kind of a thing, implied (guess I should have actually written it....keeping in real around here). His posts over time for a long period tended to "rile" people. Really Roo I thought I made that clear. I was referring to the same kind of not sugar coating anything type of pragmatic observations you are simply giving. Wow sorry for the misunderstanding. :beer:
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:43 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
LTLakerFan wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:We won 45 last year with Howard and Kobe playing 90% of the games. Howard's gone and Kobe will be gone for 1/3 of the season or so and probably limited for over 2/3 of it and some of you think we're going to get better?

Pau is a shell of what he was 4 years ago, Nash is 40 and breaking down and our bench isn't much better than last year. Antwan and MWP were replaced by Kaman, Young and Farmar. Not sure thats an upgrade in winning.... athleticism maybe but at least Antwan and MWP KNEW what to do out there most of the time.

I think if we are completely healthy AND Kobe can come back and average 22 or so we can win 40 to 42 games but looking at this realistically I think we'll see injuries to Nash and Pau off and on all season again and we'll be putting different line ups out there on a nightly basis depending on who's ready to go.



I figured out who Roo is reminding me of. In a gentler sort of a way. Who here, that's been here, back prior to getting Gasol remembers Leftymo? Roo.....he is /was attached to the medical industry as well as he is/was a doctor. NY I think, always had "the dump" attached to it. But he was much more acerbicly always giving the hard facts of most matters and pointing out why we weren't going to win jack. He was pretty much right most of the time, but it was also kind of grating. Not like you, not saying that. Of late you have become a kinder, gentler version of him.

But then we had Bynum to somewhat rely on, got Gasol and not sure exactly when he stopped posting but he mellowed quite a bit at the end and was a lot more up with his posts. Then seemed to disappear. Actually miss his posts as they were knowledgeable. I got the impression he was a left handed baller during college years. Maybe MO? Had another doctor named gamecockMD (not sure of capitalization in front) He was very knowledgeable (and I think an ex college baller as well) but could really get too passionate about his stuff. Finally got him bounced.

Wonder if any doctors left.


:man10: ..... Did it ever occur to you that the reality of the circumstances of the team have changed and that's why my posts might not be as optimistic as they used to be?

If you think I'm grating.... Take it up with the mods otherwise the "ignore" feature works for me pretty well...


No no no, you took it totally wrong. I said twice you were doing a kinder, gentler kind of a thing, implied (guess I should have actually written it....keeping in real around here). His posts over time for a long period tended to "rile" people. Really Roo I thought I made that clear. I was referring to the same kind of not sugar coating anything type of pragmatic observations you are simply giving. Wow sorry for the misunderstanding. :beer:


:man10: .... After reading again...... I may have misread that.... 3 screens going.... 1600 + page report due Monday..... 4 real hrs sleep since Thursday..... Waaay too much coffee and a headache that won't go away.

:beer:

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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby trodgers on Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:43 am

I liked Lefty. I still talk to him occasionally on Twitter. Maybe that's why I like Roo. :man1:

30s-42. I think I have us at 44 right now.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:55 am

I remember lefty as well...... I REALLY liked him...... :man1:

12 hrs of sleep.... More than the last week.... I'll be much less grating today...
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:27 pm

most people probably put us at 35-45 wins. i'd be shocked if we pulled out 45+ wins.

this team isn't built appropriate, from depth, to talent, etc etc

however, i will say that mda has had a way of taking 40 win type teams and getting them to 50+ somehow.
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Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:08 am

Pig Miller wrote:most people probably put us at 35-45 wins. i'd be shocked if we pulled out 45+ wins.

this team isn't built appropriate, from depth, to talent, etc etc

however, i will say that mda has had a way of taking 40 win type teams and getting them to 50+ somehow.

what? depth is so MUCH better than last yr
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Postby jlkr on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:06 pm

MDA did take a team with a younger, healthier Nash and a bunch of nobodies to the Western Conference Finals only a few years ago.

MDA shoulda been in the Finals the year Horry gave Nash the infamous hip check and Stern was forced to honor his own rules by suspending Stoudemire and Diaw for straying from the bench area even though that was a grossly unfair move. That essentially cost the Suns the series to the Spurs who went on to win the championship.

So think MDA isn't totally bad if he has guys who can play his way. If not, then more like last season. Mebbe that's why Rambis is in there.
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Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:12 pm

I think we'll have more togetherness this year, the chemistry will be better, the offense will be more fluid, there will be less griping, its gonna be a fun year....I dont know how much of that is going to translate into winning games though. Ive been saying this all year we're not a playoff team especially with Kobe coming off injurying in December mainly because we have no notable defensive players and the rest of the league has gotten really better...Young, Farmar, Kaman have had good names in LA thats why people are excited but they fail to realize these guys aren't match winners
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:21 pm

The Rock wrote:, Farmar, Kaman have had good names in LA thats why people are excited but they fail to realize these guys aren't match winners


Sounds kind of like Melo.
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:24 pm

khmrP wrote:
Pig Miller wrote:most people probably put us at 35-45 wins. i'd be shocked if we pulled out 45+ wins.

this team isn't built appropriate, from depth, to talent, etc etc

however, i will say that mda has had a way of taking 40 win type teams and getting them to 50+ somehow.

what? depth is so MUCH better than last yr


I'll check back with you after Young goes into one of his patented 3-40 stretches.....

To start the season who is our starting and backup SF? I don't think Young as a starter brings as much on both ends as MWP. We'll see but he's not a defensive minded player and streak shooter doesn't begin to describe his hot/cold shooting.

I agree that Farmar is much better than Morris but I'm not convinced that we've made strides anywhere else.

Kaman is injury prone and is a step down from Pau as our backup center... who is a step down from Howard as the starting center.

No one on the bench will be as consistent as Jamison as our scorer off the bench. Young will average 12 ppg + off the bench when Kobe returns but it will come from games where he scores 25 followed by 3 where he scores 5....

Johnson hasn't proven anything at this level.... can't say he's an improvement until he shows someone something.

I see our bench being more athletic and shooting better from distance but the loss of experience, consistency and BBIQ can't be overlooked in Jamison and MWP in the overall picture IMHO.
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Re: D'Antoni says Lakers 'can be better than most people think'

Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:25 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
The Rock wrote:, Farmar, Kaman have had good names in LA thats why people are excited but they fail to realize these guys aren't match winners


Sounds kind of like Melo.


Come on dont be ridiculous. Not saying Melo is perfect, an ideal No.1 elite player/scorer in this league. But he is one of the better players in this league and he is available

If Lebron is available then I'm all for it, I'll take him begrudingly

Since he's not we gotta get Melo
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Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:27 pm

If we had nitpick every little shortcoming of every All star then we wouldn't be able to build a competitive roster..Im sure Mitch didn't go "Oh this dude cant win a playoff game" "Doesnt play any defense" "Lacks toughness" when he saw Pau in 2007. Pau is an all star and he has his fair share of weaknesses, its about bringing him in and utilizing what he brings which is still a huge component for a championship team...thats how I see Melo
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Postby jlkr on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:31 pm

If nothing else, hope they remind me of the Lakers of the early to mid-90's. Those teams were fun to watch even if they didn't win that much. Van Exel and Threatt were two of my favorite players in those days.
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Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:54 pm

MWP had bball IQ of a nat, losing him was addition by straction. Everybody still living in the past in regards to his D reptuation, dude was getting tourched left and right and lets not even get started on his shooting cause that was horrible too. From his brick fest to his horrible looking fastbrakes, young/johnson will at least be able to finish on brakes and not look like they get bricks for shoes. Talent is lacking I agree but depth is still much better when all is in place.
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