Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:09 pm

We just signed Steve Blake and conventional wisdom points towards Fisher coming back. With that said, we'll be over the cap and strung out on minimal contracts. With Farmar gone and Brown possibly out the door, we've gone from having a quick second unit to one of the slowest in the league. In fact, we might have the SLOWEST team in the NBA.

We absolutely have to address this. I was disappointed to see Crittenton off the SPL roster. Unless we want to convert fully into a punishing half-court style of team, I think something has to happen. Hopefully Ebanks gives us that Ariza type transition game off the bench (unlikely in rookie year on a PJ team). We're going to need something like that.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby AIRBROWN on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:09 pm

Agreed

Our speed was Farmar and Brown and Trevor off the bench
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby BDG on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:13 pm

I do agree, it's a bit of a concern.

This is one of the reasons I'd like Shannon Brown to return at a reasonable price. Although it seems more and more like that won't happen.

Farmar and Brown were two guys who really could push tempo if we wanted to.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Nashty Gal on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:15 pm

i hope, i hope we can still get brown to come back. ugh stupid shannon opting out
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby John3:16 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:20 pm

It can be a problem, but the game slows down so much in the playoffs, it won't be a deal breaker. We're also a LONG team. I'll take length over speed any day (that's what she said). :man12:
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby kevin_401 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:21 pm

Nobody has won the ring playing run and gun up tempo basketball, If u miss shots it usually leads fast breaks at the other end and also causes turnovers if u dont have a good ball handler..

Triangle offense is slow poison, it kills by putting the opponent to sleep with good post up shots.

We just need a defensive farmar replacement who can handle the quicker gaurds. Hope we sign Tony Allen
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Weezy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:23 pm

It's a good case for bringing Shannon back. Also, Blake isn't young, but he's pretty quick isn't he? I'm not super concerned though, I don't think any speed teams ever win titles, and I don't see any of the title contenders hurting us with their speed, veteran teams win rings, we don't play fast break ball really either.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:37 pm

not really since the Lakers aren't a run and gun team like that.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby ShaqDieselLaker on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:42 pm

Big concern, since that was already our weakness. As it stands, Kobe is the fastest guy on our team by far.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby TheOp on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:48 pm

Blake isnt really that slow, he can push the tempo very easily and effectively if we asked him too. Hes not blazing fast, but not many people are.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:50 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:not really since the Lakers aren't a run and gun team like that.


Speed is more than just scoring in transition. It's taking people off the dribble, it's getting into passing lanes, etc.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Armani on Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:22 pm

ShaqDieselLaker wrote:Big concern, since that was already our weakness. As it stands, Kobe is the fastest guy on our team by far.


This... and he's entering his 15th year.

I can see the Lakers re-signing Brown for this issue... also, Ebanks might crack our rotation, but that seems like a longshot as well.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Johnnyboy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:27 pm

lucky for us this team doesn't have many weaknesses but speed is def. one of them. We don't have a slasher and we are slow. Jerry west has the same concerns. So if the logo feels the need to address it, I think its a valid point....That being said, if speed is our only weakness we are sitting pretty.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby BigWorm on Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:43 pm

not as long as we run the O right it will keep team from transiton baskets...and we still got enough team speed to play top notch D...so no not really.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby TIME on Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:46 pm

John3:16 wrote:It can be a problem, but the game slows down so much in the playoffs, it won't be a deal breaker. We're also a LONG team. I'll take length over speed any day


This.

The team is being put together for the playoffs. Speed is not insignificant, it's just a luxury. What matters more is length, skill, toughness, teamwork, and heart. We still have more of those qualities than any other team we will face in the 2011 playoffs. My main concerns remain Kobe and Andrew's health.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby eNlight on Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:52 pm

we will be fine. even if we lose to a run and gun team in the regular season, thats just the regular season. teams like phoenix are dying and they won't be much of a threat to us in a 7 game series. i'm sure we'll adjust our defense in a way to stop the transitioning offense. we'll be fine without the speed.

imo, i thought the speed of jordan and farmar were inconsistent for this team and was ultimately why our bench was one of the worst in the league this year. we are now adding more offensive fire power and better man to man defenders to this team on our bench. if anything, we possibly don't need agility on this team
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby mamatheregoesthatman on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:47 pm

Not concerned at all. Defense is what wins championships. Not that many title-winning teams have relied on speed to beat their opponents, the "Showtime" era Lakers being a notable exception (especially the 1986-1987 squad), but that's because they had Magic at PG and a bunch of HOF's, and even they were very solid defensively, despite having the reputation of being an offensive team.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby blakeruns on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:56 pm

it's something to keep an eye on, but not a major cause for concern.


it may cause us to lose some :bang: games in november and february, but in april/may/june, i have confidence in our style of ball.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Armani on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:06 pm

blakeruns wrote:it's something to keep an eye on, but not a major cause for concern.


According to your SN, it wouldn't be a major concern, would it? :man11:
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:10 pm

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:not really since the Lakers aren't a run and gun team like that.


Speed is more than just scoring in transition. It's taking people off the dribble, it's getting into passing lanes, etc.


Ron was considered to bulky and slow yet gets a lot of steals. The Lakers didn't have a lot of speed at all in the past 3 seasons yet we got into passing lanes just fine. Jordy and Shannon had the speed on the team. Also, Sasha could push it pretty well. However, the team as a whole didn't have it yet they rotated on defense very well. Our speed guys Jordy and SHannon didn't even get a lot of steals nor get a great deal of fast breaks I would wager LO had more fastbreak chances than them.

Ball movement in the halfcourt set is what we need, being able to pass into the post and move off the ball. Like I said, we are not a run and gun team like that on either side of the ball.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby thkthebest on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:36 pm

It's somewhat of a concern. We were looking slow last season, and we haven't gotten any faster.

With all the talk about working things in the halfcourt, that's fine and all, but having speed is still important. Sure, the game might slow down in the playoffs, but transition buckets, transition defense (crucial), dribble penetration, ability to stay in front of your man, etc. are all aspects of basketball. You can't just brush it aside.

What I noticed is that everyone is mentioning our offense. As long as we run our offense, they won't get many transition opportunities. I think that's the wrong mindset. Offense comes and goes. Defense doesn't.

Besides, speed helps in both departments.

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Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:Speed is more than just scoring in transition. It's taking people off the dribble, it's getting into passing lanes, etc.


Ron was considered to bulky and slow yet gets a lot of steals. The Lakers didn't have a lot of speed at all in the past 3 seasons yet we got into passing lanes just fine. Jordy and Shannon had the speed on the team. Also, Sasha could push it pretty well. However, the team as a whole didn't have it yet they rotated on defense very well. Our speed guys Jordy and SHannon didn't even get a lot of steals nor get a great deal of fast breaks I would wager LO had more fastbreak chances than them.

Ball movement in the halfcourt set is what we need, being able to pass into the post and move off the ball. Like I said, we are not a run and gun team like that on either side of the ball.

Lakers were actually one of the faster teams with the exception of last season.

In the first year we got Gasol, we were 6th in pace. That would have likely been higher if we had Gasol since the start of the season. When we won the first championship, we were 5th in pace.

Last season was the first time we were kind of slow, and last season, we were 14th.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby thkthebest on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:37 pm

What I also noticed is that people are mistaking speed as running and gunning. Those two are different. It's one thing to have speed. It's another thing to run n gun.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby KobeSystemtwofour on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:42 pm

Doesn't Steve Blake bring us speed?
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby Azndude2190 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:52 pm

As long as we rotate on defense quick enough we'll be fine. It'd be nice to have a team that can run up and down the court and move quick on the floor in the half court for us fans but defense wins championships.
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Re: Is anyone concerned with our lack of speed?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:07 am

M4mb4 24 wrote:Doesn't Steve Blake bring us speed?

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