I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby jlkr on Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:06 pm

They're not elite and won't be even with Kobe. I agree that any seed above 7th at the end of the year is a real stretch considering the competition.

On the other hand, they're not bad like Utah bad. They put in the effort at both ends, they play together, they're running MDA's system fairly well. Even Nick Young is playing defense... Yes they live by the 3 and they die by it too. Both will happen a lot the rest of the year. But they're fun to watch. Reminds me in a way of those Threatt and Van Exel-led teams of the 90's.

For those who keep saying MDA can't coach a playoff team, remember he was just a Robert Horry hip check away from making the Finals one year with Nash and Stoudemire. They likely would have defeated Cleveland for the title that year.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby noobiew on Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:54 pm

Our 4th quarter lineup today that almost came back from 20 points deficit !

Sacre - Williams - Wesley - Henry - Meeks - Young

All vet minimums salary players ! :man4:
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby karacha on Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Impressive game by our young guns. Very impressive.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Barnstable on Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:22 am

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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby trodgers on Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:31 am

BTW, is it time to once again give Mitch some respect? 10-9 isn't lighting the world on fire, but this is with $40M of our payroll not on the court and with basically $60M not playing anywhere near full abilities.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby karacha on Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:42 am

^

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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby therealdeal on Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:50 am

trodgers wrote:BTW, is it time to once again give Mitch some respect? 10-9 isn't lighting the world on fire, but this is with $40M of our payroll not on the court and with basically $60M not playing anywhere near full abilities.

It really is impressive. Mitch did an amazing job pulling these former lottery picks from other places.

Part of that is also because of D'Antoni's system as well. Several guys cited D'Antoni's system as a reason why they were willing to come here so cheaply (Wes Johnson, Shawne Williams, and Jordan Farmar come to mind immediately).
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby John3:16 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:09 am

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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:22 am

Hahahahaa

I'm callin' it....biggest fail of a thread since the "dagger" one!
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Weezy on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:45 am

Sorry, you can say this in hindsight, but I agreed at the time, and if healthy I'd still agree. Had Kobe, Farmar, Henry, and on and on and on, stayed healthy most of the season, we'd never have sunk this low. IMO we'd be no worse than 10th right now ahead of Minnesota. Sure technically that doesn't mean the team's record would be better than last seasons team, but they had Kobe as himself, and that was not probably going to happen at any point this season as he played back into shape. As an overall team, when healthy, I'd still rather have this one over that one.

Farmar, Young, Johnson, Henry (Marshall, only here because of injury so I put parentheses) > Duhon, Morris, breaking down MWP, Jamison, Clark (Ebanks, never played)

Also, Kaman as backup C > Sacre , 'Antoni just doesn't like him

And this season's Meeks >>>>>>> Last seasons' Meeks

Not to mention we added some solid end of bench guys in Bazemore and Brooks. Bazemore > Morris, Brooks > Duhon or Ebanks, when comparing end of bench guys.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Barnstable on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:37 am

Barnstable wrote:I'm calling it. Unless we get hit with big injuries again, or Kobe doesn't come back looking like Kobe, this team will be much improved from last year.


Yeah... above is a quote from my first post making this thread.

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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:52 am

I still agree with this thread
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Magic Skywalker on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:08 am

So do I.

With half of the injury plague, we proved to be decent at the beginning of the season, and fun to watch. But there is a limit to how much you can do with so much injuries. Old and young guys, everyone ended up getting injured (except.... Robert Sacre), we've never been healthy, and so much changed kinda killed our coach.

D'Antoni was never a great coach, but he was doing a decent job when he knew what he had. Then came the big plague of injuries and he kinda lost his head.

This could've been a decent year, but we ended up having an even worse year in terms of injuries (being a perfect example of the phrase "Things can ALWAYS get worse").

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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:51 am

The current team is much easier to watch than last year but the results won't be near last year. Injuries are part of the game and to think that this team would be injury free isn't really a valid criteria IMHO. Nash, Blake, Pau and Kobe are older and have a lot of miles…. they will never play an injury free season again.

This season has been filled with the unexpected…. both good and bad. We've won some games we had no business winning and lost some horrific ones (last night for example). We've played some very exiting ball and we've played defense at least on 2 or 3 possessions this year as well….. ; )

It was a "lost" year the minute Howard bailed so all in all it's been about what I expected…. maybe a little worse. I think I predicted about 30 to 35 wins in the prediction thread.

Unfortunately the leadership is making sounds like we may be in for another similar year next year as we look to 2015 for a FA replacement for Kobe. Hopefully we can start the rebuilding process with a little magic this offseason and not have to suffer through another season of one-year contract players.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:57 am

Well we somehow had Nash for even less time and Kobe is going to basically miss the season...

Those two (mostly Kobe) would have at least given this team the fight to win a few more games. Definitely they're better to watch on a nightly basis than last season's team, but their end result is going to be much, much worse. :man10:

That being said I'd rather have all of these young guys back over Dwight, Pau, Jamison, and Nash.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:50 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Injuries are part of the game and to think that this team would be injury free isn't really a valid criteria IMHO.

No one said "injury free". And no one would be foolish enough to expect an injury free season.

Look at Barns post he said "unless we get hit with big injuries again". Hoping to avoid "big injuries" is fundamentally different than hoping to be injury free. And I agree with that notion as well....this team is more fun to watch and better on the court had we had moderate to good health. We need to find that voodoo doll. And we need to find it quick.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:54 pm

Barns is my dude and I was just grillin' him as I'm sure John was....but this team isn't very fun to watch and we're obviously not better than last year.

First of all, we're not a team. From the social media gathered off the court, sure these guys get along. They seem to be having a great time in LA, but is that necessarily make them good teammates on the floor? Looking at the results....nope, definitely not! Looking at how they came together....one year deals and mostly on the cheaper end, so of course a little bit of me will creep in.

Then you look at how the coach wants to create an identity for our "team". Basically, yet another form of singularity....only one side of the ball really matters and the dude is so clueless as to realize that the offense he values so much is the reason we're getting driven into the ground on defense. Sacrebleu, even his players get it:



From Worthy at the Lakers flagship down to his own players, our identity is being questioned. If its truly fun and better for a "team" to chuck the 3ball up just to increase the frequency of possessions in order to stay in a game (see Sac game as most recent example), then how is that fun to watch? It certainly isn't a recipe for success.

Even without key injuries, we weren't that good (see last season). And for those harping on the injury excuse, see Thibs, Pop, Doc as to how coaches can still keep teams afloat even with key injuries....heck some coaches are so good, they preempt it altogether by responsibly managing minutes...but that type of science is just too advanced for us. And when guys come back from injury, some healthy guys get buried on the bench again....just baffling.

There really isn't anything fun about this team. Certainly nothing better than last year (see longest home losing streak and largest deficit in Laker history). And when it comes to injuries, its just like our losses. You expect injuries during the season....and heck you may experience a couple key injuries during the season, but handling the roster so irresponsibly that this happens:

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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:08 pm

Vash:

First of all, I never said the team IS fun to watch. I said had there not been injuries, the team is MORE FUN to watch than last year's team.

Mostly because without Kobe, without Nash, without Dwight, we actually had some good fight and some wins against top teams (i.e. Clippers, Rockets). Then the injury bug hit.

Vash you know that I have been nothing short of one of the most vocal critics of D'Antoni here. Every reason you've stated about his pitiful coaching job, I have echoed. I was furious when we signed him. I would have kept Brown over this clown. I don't believe in his system, strategy or lackthereof.

Yes the Bulls were able to make a playoff run last year. But their #2 & #3 in Deng/Noah are far superior to Pau/Nick Young. Especially defensively. By no means is that an out for Pringles. He needs to be gone. Gone gone gone. Will it happen? No. Unless something DRASTIC happens between now and next Halloween.

My point is that this roster, but healthy, would have been significantly better than what we are seeing now. Add in a better coach and one more key player....and we may have been an underdog contender. That's all.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:16 pm

Thanks for the clarity Chill and I do agree with most of your views, but I still find it hard to believe that any MDA coached team is fun to watch. But then again, at least for me, watching basketball in June is what I consider "fun".

You lose Dwight and people have a valid point that he wasn't the cornerstone for the franchise moving forward, so losing him, wasn't what stung so much....its that we lost him for absolutely nothing in return. The core of the roster just got older.....Mitch added a bunch of minimum expiring deals which actually added to the "me first" mentality of this "team"....and here we are.

Kobe went down last year, so we knew he was coming back to this "team" a shell of himself. Pau and Nash got older and MDA got more stubborn (but he did get that valued training camp where he got to teach all his players the complexities of the pick and roll).

Forget the fun part....this wasn't a recipe for the team to get better.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:26 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Injuries are part of the game and to think that this team would be injury free isn't really a valid criteria IMHO.

No one said "injury free". And no one would be foolish enough to expect an injury free season.

Look at Barns post he said "unless we get hit with big injuries again". Hoping to avoid "big injuries" is fundamentally different than hoping to be injury free. And I agree with that notion as well....this team is more fun to watch and better on the court had we had moderate to good health. We need to find that voodoo doll. And we need to find it quick.


Define "big". Duration or to top players? To me it means top players. Coming into this season we knew Kobe was going to miss 1/3 and another 1/3 to get back to being Kobe. Nash's condition was chronic 8 years ago and worsened considerably last year. Chronic is chronic and at best we may have gotten a half season out of him. Pau's knees, feet and elbow were falling apart at the end of last year. At his age and his usage to think he'd have a full season Is a little bit of a stretch. Blake hadn't played a full season for a few years.... Again, it's not a stretch to see him missing significant time.

The breadth of injury has been remarkable but the other injuries produced players like Baze, Marshall and Young. Of we had fewer injuries these guys would have had less or no chance of playing the time the have. Meeks is having a monster year based on his past...... A healthy Kobe, Nash and Blake and his time would have been cut in half. Two sides to the lesser injuries IMO
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby TheOp on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:39 pm

I cant fault the OP of this thread at all. I think we were all convinced we had a better roster.

Nobody really could have predicted Kobe would be practically non existent this year, and that we would once again be the most injured team in the league. We actually had a very promising start to the season considering our schedule and circumstances. We even thrashed the Clippers opening night when we had a semi healthy roster. So there was good reason to believe we had a nice team on our hands.

Still, maybe its better it turned out this way. We could potentially get the 1st pick this May.
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Congo Cash on Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:07 pm

Last year was still worse, reminds me of the 2003-2004 season, but 10x worse (both from being hailed as champions to a disappointing finish)... This year I expected the Lakers to be horrible, and players being hurt again is not exactly shocking...
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:30 pm

To the OP! *OUCH*! :man10:
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby John3:16 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:01 pm

Chillbongo wrote: Every reason you've stated about his pitiful coaching job, I have echoed. I was furious when we signed him. I would have kept Brown over this clown.


Me too. And I hated Brown. Prior to the D'Antoni hiring, I would've bet everything I had that there was simply no way to hire someone worse. You've got Phil just about to say yes and they pull the ultimate April Fools joke on every Laker fan in an effort for Jr to hire a surprise and prove he knows more then the rest of us. Fail. It's just criminal what they did. And Phil going to the Knicks... sigh...
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Re: I'm Callin' it... This team is better than last year

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:44 am

Coaching decisions are not something the Lakers have made well in their entire history. Westhead wasn't a "hire"…. Riley wasn't really picked by Buss (West was and backed out at the press conference) and for 9 years between Riley and Jackson we had horrible coaching…. then Rudy….. then Jackson again and then this current mess. This is a Buss Family Tradition it seems…….
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