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Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:43 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Whoa there Savory... Love can't stay healthy for any length of time and has proven nothing from a leadership point of view. Top 5 is a little high IMO.


I don't know. He's had absolute garbage around him his entire career. I can only name 3 players that are definitely better than him. LBJ, Durant, and Paul George (I put George there mainly because he is a great defender). After that, who is without question, legitimately better? CP3, Rondo, Curry, D-12, Melo, Aldridge, Westbrook? You could make a case for any of them, but it's really a tossup, IMO. I say Top 5 because he can make a case for being top 5. Is he definitely top 5? Tough to really gauge something like that. He may not be top 5 but he's in the conversation with that second tier group that makes up spots 4-10.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:58 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Whoa there Savory... Love can't stay healthy for any length of time and has proven nothing from a leadership point of view. Top 5 is a little high IMO.


I don't know. He's had absolute garbage around him his entire career. I can only name 3 players that are definitely better than him. LBJ, Durant, and Paul George (I put George there mainly because he is a great defender). After that, who is without question, legitimately better? CP3, Rondo, Curry, D-12, Melo, Aldridge, Westbrook? You could make a case for any of them, but it's really a tossup, IMO. I say Top 5 because he can make a case for being top 5. Is he definitely top 5? Tough to really gauge something like that. He may not be top 5 but he's in the conversation with that second tier group that makes up spots 4-10.


I think Aldridge is better overall at the PF actually.

I've got nothing against him at all.... Just injury history and leadership. He not on a garbage team this year. Peck, Rubio and Martin are not exactly scrubs.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:11 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Whoa there Savory... Love can't stay healthy for any length of time and has proven nothing from a leadership point of view. Top 5 is a little high IMO.


I don't know. He's had absolute garbage around him his entire career. I can only name 3 players that are definitely better than him. LBJ, Durant, and Paul George (I put George there mainly because he is a great defender). After that, who is without question, legitimately better? CP3, Rondo, Curry, D-12, Melo, Aldridge, Westbrook? You could make a case for any of them, but it's really a tossup, IMO. I say Top 5 because he can make a case for being top 5. Is he definitely top 5? Tough to really gauge something like that. He may not be top 5 but he's in the conversation with that second tier group that makes up spots 4-10.


I think Aldridge is better overall at the PF actually.

I've got nothing against him at all.... Just injury history and leadership. He not on a garbage team this year. Peck, Rubio and Martin are not exactly scrubs.


They're not scrubs, but Martin and Rubio are fairly one dimensional in what they can do. Like I said, I'm not exactly arguing super hard one way or the other as to whether or not he's top 5, but he's in the conversation and close enough to where if someone says he's top 5, there's a case for it. I think the bigger issue is whether or not he's better than Melo. To me that's a slam dunk yes and I don't think we should shoot our load on Melo if it precludes us from getting Love.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:15 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
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Rooscooter wrote:Whoa there Savory... Love can't stay healthy for any length of time and has proven nothing from a leadership point of view. Top 5 is a little high IMO.


I don't know. He's had absolute garbage around him his entire career. I can only name 3 players that are definitely better than him. LBJ, Durant, and Paul George (I put George there mainly because he is a great defender). After that, who is without question, legitimately better? CP3, Rondo, Curry, D-12, Melo, Aldridge, Westbrook? You could make a case for any of them, but it's really a tossup, IMO. I say Top 5 because he can make a case for being top 5. Is he definitely top 5? Tough to really gauge something like that. He may not be top 5 but he's in the conversation with that second tier group that makes up spots 4-10.


I think Aldridge is better overall at the PF actually.

I've got nothing against him at all.... Just injury history and leadership. He not on a garbage team this year. Peck, Rubio and Martin are not exactly scrubs.


They're not scrubs, but Martin and Rubio are fairly one dimensional in what they can do. Like I said, I'm not exactly arguing super hard one way or the other as to whether or not he's top 5, but he's in the conversation and close enough to where if someone says he's top 5, there's a case for it. I think the bigger issue is whether or not he's better than Melo. To me that's a slam dunk yes and I don't think we should shoot our load on Melo if it precludes us from getting Love.


I'm not sure I have to chime in again on Melo.... I'd take Love 100 times out of a hundred over Melo.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:33 pm

I would also take Love over Melo.. But I wouldn't avoid going after Melo on the off chance that we might be able to sign Love.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:05 am

Love over Melo without a doubt ... Love doesn't play any D though , both individual and team wise .

There is a great chance we get Love :

- Wolves management screwed it up when it refused to give him a 5 years extension .

- Love said he's tired of not making the postseason , Wolves won't make it again this season .

Only way we don't get him as a FA is Wolves trading him and Love accepting to sign an extension with the team he's dealt to ..
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:30 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Love over Melo without a doubt ... Love doesn't play any D though , both individual and team wise .

There is a great chance we get Love :

- Wolves management screwed it up when it refused to give him a 5 years extension .

- Love said he's tired of not making the postseason , Wolves won't make it again this season .

Only way we don't get him as a FA is Wolves trading him and Love accepting to sign an extension with the team he's dealt to ..

yeah but we also gotta hope that they dont make the postseason next year too, because after next year that is when he can opt out
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Center Court on Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:10 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Love over Melo without a doubt ... Love doesn't play any D though , both individual and team wise .

There is a great chance we get Love :

- Wolves management screwed it up when it refused to give him a 5 years extension .

- Love said he's tired of not making the postseason , Wolves won't make it again this season .

Only way we don't get him as a FA is Wolves trading him and Love accepting to sign an extension with the team he's dealt to ..

yeah but we also gotta hope that they dont make the postseason next year too, because after next year that is when he can opt out


making the post season is not going to persuade him to stay....

Besides, the West is only going to be tougher next season as we (hopefully) are right back in the mix and Utah adds Parker, Denver matures, and Sacramento may even make a playoff push.

The league is so concerned about parity but how about balancing the conference talent out.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:19 am

I don't see Melo agreeing to join the Lakers unless MDA leaves.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Savory Griddles on Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:23 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I don't see Melo agreeing to join the Lakers unless MDA leaves.


One of the first times I've ever seen a legit argument for keeping MDA as our coach. :mhihi:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:25 am

Carmelo Anthony not coming back?
January, 2, 2014
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Carmelo Anthony will decline his $23.33 million option for next season to become a free agent in July. There have been frequent reports that Anthony will re-sign with the New York Knicks and others claim he is set to play elsewhere in 2014-15. The later comes today via the New York Daily News.

“I think he’s leaving. I’ve played with Melo for a long time and he knows he can’t win here. At this stage, all he wants to do is win. That’s why he’ll leave,” a former unnamed teammate tells the newspaper.

Anthony is under pressure to lead the team to the playoffs and if the Knicks can't dig out of this big hole the fans might turn on him and that could be a major factor when it comes to his next contract. The Knicks can offer Anthony a lot more than any other team and he needs to accept a major pay cut if he wants to move on to a team like the Lakers. Many executives think Anthony will ultimately take the massive contract from the Knicks
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby unpossibl1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:27 pm

Arye Abraham ‏@aryeabraham1 1m
BREAKING NEWS: Lakers have offered Pau Gasol & Nick Young in a trade to Knicks asking for Carmelo Anthony & J.R. Smith. Per Sheridan Hoops


Not sure why NY would do this, but interesting nonetheless.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:32 pm

I'd rather sign Darius Morris to a 76 year deal than have to see JR Smith with that contract for the next 2.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Barnstable on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:34 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'd rather sign Darius Morris to a 76 year deal than have to see JR Smith with that contract for the next 3.

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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby kenzo on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:36 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'd rather sign Darius Morris to a 76 year deal than have to see JR Smith with that contract for the next 2.

I'll top that with 10years contract for Smush. Eff NO to JR Smith. No way Lakers take on his contract so i think we're safe.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby trodgers on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:37 pm

Is it wrong to think of it this way:
Gasol is gone at seasons' end and we can offer Melo a max contract, so presume they're a wash.

We're trading Young for Smith.
No way do I do that.

So, no to this trade. Right?
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:38 pm

Wow. Bold move.

Sounds kind of stretch-y to me. Why would the Knicks do that unless they were absolutely sure they're not re-signing Carmelo? And even if that were the case, has Carmelo made it clear LA is one of the few places he'd re-sign?

And yeah the JR Smith thing... Yikes.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby laker42fan on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:44 pm

unpossibl1 wrote:
Arye Abraham ‏@aryeabraham1 1m
BREAKING NEWS: Lakers have offered Pau Gasol & Nick Young in a trade to Knicks asking for Carmelo Anthony & J.R. Smith. Per Sheridan Hoops


Not sure why NY would do this, but interesting nonetheless.


Who is this Arye guy? Reputable? And why would the Lakers ask for Smith? No way..sounds shady.
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:47 pm

It would make little sense to go after Melo which means i expect Buss Jr to get Melo. :bang:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:49 pm

laker42fan wrote:
unpossibl1 wrote:
Arye Abraham ‏@aryeabraham1 1m
BREAKING NEWS: Lakers have offered Pau Gasol & Nick Young in a trade to Knicks asking for Carmelo Anthony & J.R. Smith. Per Sheridan Hoops


Not sure why NY would do this, but interesting nonetheless.


Who is this Arye guy? Reputable? And why would the Lakers ask for Smith? No way..sounds shady.

It doesn't make sense to me either.

Why would we bail out New York this way? Carmelo can walk at the end of the season and we can get him then. Throw in Nick Young for JR Smith? What? Why would we want to do that? Not only has Nick been fantastic for us, but JR is New York's bane of existence right now.

I'd guess this came from NY, not the other way around. If it's a legitimate offer of course.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:50 pm

I don't trust the source. His Twitter says he's 16 years old, unless someone can show me some of his work that shows he's credible, I'm not buying it.

I saw an article, can't remember where, about possible trade scenarios for Melo, this trade happened to be one. Could be blowing smoke for hits.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby Slurpee22 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:51 pm

Why would the Lakers give up on Nick Young so easily? he is quickly becoming our franchise player.... so stupid.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:52 pm

Melo for Pau is a much bigger upgrade than Swaggy for Smith is a downgrade.. I'd do it.. We aren't going to trade Pau for a superstar without taking some crap back with it. If Swaggy keeps scoring like he has, we're running a huge risk of losing him anyway.. & if he likes it here that much, maybe he comes back in the summer. Getting Melo now instead of signing him in the summer allows us to keep the bird rights for Hill/Wes/Farmar/X & gives us a much better shot at retaining them. Pull the trigger Mitch.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:54 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Melo for Pau is a much bigger upgrade than Swaggy for Smith is a downgrade.. I'd do it.. We aren't going to trade Pau for a superstar without taking some crap back with it. If Swaggy keeps scoring like he has, we're running a huge risk of losing him anyway.. & if he likes it here that much, maybe he comes back in the summer.

After we deal him away when he gave us a pay cut? :man10: I doubt it.

I just don't see why the Lakers try to acquire Carmelo right now. And if we do, why do we need to take back anything crappy for him? We hold all the cards. Let Carmelo hit free agency and we can go after him then... I don't know. Looks like a bad trade to me.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: May Join Lakers to Play with Kob

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:56 pm

therealdeal wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:Melo for Pau is a much bigger upgrade than Swaggy for Smith is a downgrade.. I'd do it.. We aren't going to trade Pau for a superstar without taking some crap back with it. If Swaggy keeps scoring like he has, we're running a huge risk of losing him anyway.. & if he likes it here that much, maybe he comes back in the summer.

After we deal him away when he gave us a pay cut? :man10: I doubt it.

I just don't see why the Lakers try to acquire Carmelo right now. And if we do, why do we need to take back anything crappy for him? We hold all the cards. Let Carmelo hit free agency and we can go after him then... I don't know. Looks like a bad trade to me.

Who says it has to be a paycut? We'd have the full MLE to use.
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