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Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:14 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:^^^^ Melo career FG% in the regular season : 45.5 ... it drops to 41.7 in the postseason ... this can't be overlooked .

Sure he can post up but I disagree he does it enough when the J isn't falling ... I've seen dozen and dozen games where his J isn't falling and Melo keeps shooting outside shots ...

IQ , intangibles and D aren't there when it comes to Melo ...


Yup…. also he may have good "stats" from the 50,000 foot perspective but he's personally "folded" several times in the playoffs and basically quit. He did it against us twice…..
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Center Court on Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:59 am

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therealdeal wrote:There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.


This x 100

My question for people who are so vehemently opposed to Melo is what does Love do that makes him such a better target than Carmelo?

He's younger by a few years which is only thing that I can say makes him the far more attractive player. Otherwise I have not really seen anything that wows me into thinking Love is the superior player now or even ever than Melo.

Guess yay or nay depends on your belief in Kobe's healthy return and your views on a short term vs long term rebuild.


Melo is 30. He has maybe 2-3 prime years left. And after that, it's down hill. Love is just 26, entering his prime.

But beyond the age, I view Love as an amazing second fiddle superstar. Someone who can be effective within the flow of the offense. A complimentary wing player would be a great combo with him. I mean anyone who can get 26/13 is pretty dam good. He's got unlimited range and is a rebounding monster. His post up game is improving. I just like the idea of him pairing up with a great wing player to form that superstar duo.

That is much better than having who ball dominant guys in Kobe and Melo fighting for possessions on iso situations. :bang: Really, I hate watching Melo play. He is the epitome of how NOT to play basketball. Just give him the ball and get out of the way. I would hate to play with a guy like that.



And that is the answers I assumed I was going to hear... I'm going to play devli's advocate for a bit.

Love is a PF and like most other bigs, is generally in good rebounding position. If he was averaging below 10RPG I'd say there is a major problem. Melo, as a SF, is averaging 9 on a team where he is spending every oz of energy trying to score to keep them in the game.

The whole myth that Melo can't play team ball IMO is a bit misguided. He simply has not had a team (since Denver) that even resembles an intelligent/team oriented roster. He's no Magic out there but I think when he has people around him that flourish in a team concept, he usually finds his stride. Coaching has a lot to do with this. Right now Woodson's offense is constant ISO from different spots. In some regard Melo really is playing the game his coach has laid out for him.

Now the fit with Love being an amazing second fiddle. I agree. But it'd have to be next a wing guy who can flat out dominate the game on the ball to allow Love to just play free and compliment his game. Guys like a prime Kobe, LeBron, CP3, KD. With the exclusion KD, Melo would look insanely good next to those guys also.

All in all, Love has yet to lead his team to the playoffs. Even this season when they have a competent roster and health has not been a major factor, they still can't win too many games. Yet Dallas and Phx are both in the mix.

Melo is not the perfect guy to carry the torch Kobe is going to leave, but I don't think Love is either. If we want to hold out for Love/Durant, then I'm all game but I don't think Carmelo is an easy no... Especially if we all still believe in Kobe as a championship level superstar.

Given we don't have a pick next year unless it's in the top 5, we really are caught in no man's land-- so to speak. Either we go all in now and see what Kobe can give us or we wait and accept waiting for Love means maybe one shot for Kobe to get us # 17.

I don't know anymore. Just get me a real coach and draft well this off season and let that dictate what we do...
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:11 am

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therealdeal wrote:There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.


This x 100

My question for people who are so vehemently opposed to Melo is what does Love do that makes him such a better target than Carmelo?

He's younger by a few years which is only thing that I can say makes him the far more attractive player. Otherwise I have not really seen anything that wows me into thinking Love is the superior player now or even ever than Melo.

Guess yay or nay depends on your belief in Kobe's healthy return and your views on a short term vs long term rebuild.


Melo is 30. He has maybe 2-3 prime years left. And after that, it's down hill. Love is just 26, entering his prime.

But beyond the age, I view Love as an amazing second fiddle superstar. Someone who can be effective within the flow of the offense. A complimentary wing player would be a great combo with him. I mean anyone who can get 26/13 is pretty dam good. He's got unlimited range and is a rebounding monster. His post up game is improving. I just like the idea of him pairing up with a great wing player to form that superstar duo.

That is much better than having who ball dominant guys in Kobe and Melo fighting for possessions on iso situations. :bang: Really, I hate watching Melo play. He is the epitome of how NOT to play basketball. Just give him the ball and get out of the way. I would hate to play with a guy like that.



And that is the answers I assumed I was going to hear... I'm going to play devli's advocate for a bit.

Love is a PF and like most other bigs, is generally in good rebounding position. If he was averaging below 10RPG I'd say there is a major problem. Melo, as a SF, is averaging 9 on a team where he is spending every oz of energy trying to score to keep them in the game.

The whole myth that Melo can't play team ball IMO is a bit misguided. He simply has not had a team (since Denver) that even resembles an intelligent/team oriented roster. He's no Magic out there but I think when he has people around him that flourish in a team concept, he usually finds his stride. Coaching has a lot to do with this. Right now Woodson's offense is constant ISO from different spots. In some regard Melo really is playing the game his coach has laid out for him.

Now the fit with Love being an amazing second fiddle. I agree. But it'd have to be next a wing guy who can flat out dominate the game on the ball to allow Love to just play free and compliment his game. Guys like a prime Kobe, LeBron, CP3, KD. With the exclusion KD, Melo would look insanely good next to those guys also.

All in all, Love has yet to lead his team to the playoffs. Even this season when they have a competent roster and health has not been a major factor, they still can't win too many games. Yet Dallas and Phx are both in the mix.

Melo is not the perfect guy to carry the torch Kobe is going to leave, but I don't think Love is either. If we want to hold out for Love/Durant, then I'm all game but I don't think Carmelo is an easy no... Especially if we all still believe in Kobe as a championship level superstar.

Given we don't have a pick next year unless it's in the top 5, we really are caught in no man's land-- so to speak. Either we go all in now and see what Kobe can give us or we wait and accept waiting for Love means maybe one shot for Kobe to get us # 17.

I don't know anymore. Just get me a real coach and draft well this off season and let that dictate what we do...


I see your points.

I just don't agree that Melo is the type of player who can elevate the play of his teammates, even if his teammates are improved. I mean Denver had a pretty good team back in 2009. And he was a monster in the 2009 playoffs, I will give you that. But I see him more in the mold of a great scorer who can't elevate the level of his teammates (McGrady, Wilkins) instead of being the type of guy who can (Jordan, Kobe, LeBron). And that's what separates the true superstars from everyone else.

And Love's ability to shoot the 3 as a PF is a very rare talent. In today's game, that is a huge weapon.

But I do agree about Minn not doing enough this year. They do have some good talent. But maybe it's the WC. Maybe they just need some time together to jell. But a valid point.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:25 am

Well, I don't think Melo would be brought in here to be that "superstar" you're talking about.

We have Kobe for that, barring that he recovers from his injury. What obtaining Melo would be is like bringing in Pau. A star player who really needs to play alongside another star to feel more comfortable and less pressured. In that sense, it elevates their game to a level where they know they could have got to, but just couldn't with the personnel they had.

The whole purpose of obtaining Melo would be to ride out what time we have left with Kobe.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:58 am

Center Court wrote:The whole myth that Melo can't play team ball IMO is a bit misguided. He simply has not had a team (since Denver) that even resembles an intelligent/team oriented roster. He's no Magic out there but I think when he has people around him that flourish in a team concept, he usually finds his stride. Coaching has a lot to do with this. Right now Woodson's offense is constant ISO from different spots. In some regard Melo really is playing the game his coach has laid out for him.


Eggs and Chickens….. This team needs to have a balanced roster that is compatible. These "super team" projections completely ignore why you guys love these guys in the first place. To somehow translate, with no evidence whatsoever, that Player "A" can do something he's never done before just because he's never been in that position is to completely ignore what has happened to the Lakers the last two times we've thrown a bunch of all stars out there on the court. 2004 and last year should prove that Names and Stats are really meaningless in getting a true "Team" that can win a chip out there. Love, Melo and what ever superstar/star just tossed together will end the same way last year ended IMO.

Melo is never going to change his game until father time changes it for him. Nothing in his career to this point would suggest that….. just as it was with Howard…. they just don't magically change who they are…. if they hadn't been that way no one would want them.

San Antonio is a model of a balanced approach to team building. They always have the right mix of player and great role players. We'd do well emulating that model going forward over grabbing stars and hoping they change who they are….

Finally, spending our max slot on another wing player is not really that smart IMO. We will have no one in the front court other than Sacre after the season. You don't win in this league without bigs that have a presence and they are a lot harder to find than high scoring wing players. I'd concentrate on getting a young big or two that can be effective and happy without the ball if I were thinking of bringing in another ball dominant player.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby khmrP on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:35 am

Center Court wrote:The whole myth that Melo can't play team ball IMO is a bit misguided. He simply has not had a team (since Denver) that even resembles an intelligent/team oriented roster. He's no Magic out there but I think when he has people around him that flourish in a team concept, he usually finds his stride. Coaching has a lot to do with this. Right now Woodson's offense is constant ISO from different spots. In some regard Melo really is playing the game his coach has laid out for him.



Hard to say its a myth when its proven during the Linsanity Era in NY....basically both guys had same teammates/talent but with Melo around it looked medicore but with Lin at the helm the team looked like it had talent and played to its full potential and Lin basically saved that season for them and of course same coach same offense but obviously different results with each guy being the lead person.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby thkthebest on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:44 am

I don't want Melo, but Woodson's entire gameplan:

Offensive philosophy: Iso iso iso.
Defensive philosophy: Switch switch switch.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Center Court on Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:26 pm

khmrP wrote:
Center Court wrote:The whole myth that Melo can't play team ball IMO is a bit misguided. He simply has not had a team (since Denver) that even resembles an intelligent/team oriented roster. He's no Magic out there but I think when he has people around him that flourish in a team concept, he usually finds his stride. Coaching has a lot to do with this. Right now Woodson's offense is constant ISO from different spots. In some regard Melo really is playing the game his coach has laid out for him.



Hard to say its a myth when its proven during the Linsanity Era in NY....basically both guys had same teammates/talent but with Melo around it looked medicore but with Lin at the helm the team looked like it had talent and played to its full potential and Lin basically saved that season for them and of course same coach same offense but obviously different results with each guy being the lead person.



Just want to make it known, I really don't care to go all in for Melo myself but I am open to the concept and I think if everything else falls into place it could be a great move.

However, the Linsanity thing was not a reflection on Melo. MDA's system completely favors the PG and makes him the dominant player on the court . Kendall Marshall who was out of the NBA and left for dead looks like Stockton out there and his stats are backing it up. Kendall could never even lead a team to the playoffs. Lin was a product of MDA's system and unless Carmelo could turn into Marion and just be a glorified role player, he'd never fit into it. Just like Kobe, Pau, and Dwight all don't.

If we want to stick with MDA's system forever then yeah let's steer clear of someone like Melo but if we want an offense where stars can use their advantages to exploit teams weaknesses and then build a flow through it's stars (like Miami has done) then I see very few guys who can come close to being the player Melo is. He'll torch bigger/slower guys and he'll punish smaller guys. Defensively he's average at best but not everyone is a Kobe or LeBron.

Anyway, give Melo the right coach (Thibs), Kobe as a partner, a PG who can organize the offense and be a ball hawk,some size down low and shooters, and I like our chances. Is that the best route we can go, I don't know but it is the shortest route to being a contender again.

Besides, hypthetically, Love could opt in til 2016 and if Kobe does retire then that'll only leave Melo. Then we go for Love and ideally a PG (Kyrie if he doesn't pick up his option). Maybe it excludes us from Durant but I'm not 100% sure he leaves there anyway. He seems like a super loyal guy.

If I'm the Lakers I'm reaching out to Durant's camp to get some feelers.. If we feel like Durant is possible, then by all means, hold off.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby khmrP on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:11 pm

Center Court wrote:
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Center Court wrote:The whole myth that Melo can't play team ball IMO is a bit misguided. He simply has not had a team (since Denver) that even resembles an intelligent/team oriented roster. He's no Magic out there but I think when he has people around him that flourish in a team concept, he usually finds his stride. Coaching has a lot to do with this. Right now Woodson's offense is constant ISO from different spots. In some regard Melo really is playing the game his coach has laid out for him.



Hard to say its a myth when its proven during the Linsanity Era in NY....basically both guys had same teammates/talent but with Melo around it looked medicore but with Lin at the helm the team looked like it had talent and played to its full potential and Lin basically saved that season for them and of course same coach same offense but obviously different results with each guy being the lead person.



Just want to make it known, I really don't care to go all in for Melo myself but I am open to the concept and I think if everything else falls into place it could be a great move.

However, the Linsanity thing was not a reflection on Melo. MDA's system completely favors the PG and makes him the dominant player on the court . Kendall Marshall who was out of the NBA and left for dead looks like Stockton out there and his stats are backing it up. Kendall could never even lead a team to the playoffs. Lin was a product of MDA's system and unless Carmelo could turn into Marion and just be a glorified role player, he'd never fit into it. Just like Kobe, Pau, and Dwight all don't.

If we want to stick with MDA's system forever then yeah let's steer clear of someone like Melo but if we want an offense where stars can use their advantages to exploit teams weaknesses and then build a flow through it's stars (like Miami has done) then I see very few guys who can come close to being the player Melo is. He'll torch bigger/slower guys and he'll punish smaller guys. Defensively he's average at best but not everyone is a Kobe or LeBron.

Anyway, give Melo the right coach (Thibs), Kobe as a partner, a PG who can organize the offense and be a ball hawk,some size down low and shooters, and I like our chances. Is that the best route we can go, I don't know but it is the shortest route to being a contender again.

Besides, hypthetically, Love could opt in til 2016 and if Kobe does retire then that'll only leave Melo. Then we go for Love and ideally a PG (Kyrie if he doesn't pick up his option). Maybe it excludes us from Durant but I'm not 100% sure he leaves there anyway. He seems like a super loyal guy.

If I'm the Lakers I'm reaching out to Durant's camp to get some feelers.. If we feel like Durant is possible, then by all means, hold off.


well that was to refute your comment that Melo doesn't play team ball is a myth....which Linsansity clearly proves otherwise regardless of the offense. Marshall is only passing well and only to open teammates its not like he's "truly" creating offense for others like Lin did when he was given the reign in NY. Sure it was Antoni offense that gives Lin that type of game changing ability but that also shows Melo lack of ability to make his teammates better and play winning ball. Was it any wonder Den could never get out of the 1st rd until Billups showed up? Basically same offense, same team, same coach over the years.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm

Could it be said for the same for Kobe 04-07? He never got out of the 1st round then. Same goes for Pau.

You put two players with superstar ability and they elevate each others game simply because of their talent.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby khmrP on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:33 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:Could it be said for the same for Kobe 04-07? He never got out of the 1st round then. Same goes for Pau.

You put two players with superstar ability and they elevate each others game simply because of their talent.


that Kobe team consisted of the likes of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker type player...Melo has had better supporting cast than that and we're not talking about late 20 something Kobe here thats going to be paired with another late 20 something Melo (late something Pau) when Kobe/Pau was paired up. This is a pairing of two old players who dont play much defense, I dont see how anyone can rationlize this Kobe/Melo pairing to the same Kobe/Pau pairing from nearly 6 years ago.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:42 pm

defense - that's what role players are for. :man1:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:12 pm

Kobe's 81 in danger? Melo has 50 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby kenzo on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:19 pm

22/29 FG so far, crazy. But playing in a blowout is asking for an injury.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby trodgers on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:25 pm

I disagree that Melo has folded in the playoffs. His numbers in elimination games are boss.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:42 pm

i was rooting for him not to break kobes record
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:29 pm

They left him in just long enough to break the record.

Good for Carmelo. That'll mean the top two scorers in New York are Lakers. :man9:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby karacha on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:55 pm

This guy is still the most potent NBA scorer... well, him and Durant, obviously. He scored tons of points... most of the points were actually jumpers with some post moves, and he did it efficiently. Impressive. He could have scored 70.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:54 am

I don't know if he would be the ideal guy to get (mainly because he is almost 30), but he is the most complete scorer in the game today (besides Kobe, of course). He does it all.

It's hard for me to root against a guy doing this type of things. I don't want Kobe's 81 to be surpassed (at least not yet), but I never even thought about the possibility. If we're talking about Kobe's MSG record, I couldn't care less about that, honestly.

Happy for Melo, and happy to see another 60-point game after so much time.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby trodgers on Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:15 am

Given that Durant's on a mission right now, could we see a Sosa/McGwire type competition for the remainder of the season? That would be entertaining, to say the least.
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Postby lakersfever on Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:48 am

Well we gave all of that money to Kobe so even if we could get someone like Melo or Lebron, how are we gonna fill out the rest of the roster?

Business decision should have been to amentised Kobe but now we're irrelevant and stuck with a huge contract further impeding our progress to rebuild. I'm not sure when the Lakers are gonna return to championship form. Hopefully in 5 years if not then in 10 or 15 years. :mad1:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:26 am

lakersfever wrote:Well we gave all of that money to Kobe so even if we could get someone like Melo or Lebron, how are we gonna fill out the rest of the roster?

Business decision should have been to amentised Kobe but now we're irrelevant and stuck with a huge contract further impeding our progress to rebuild. I'm not sure when the Lakers are gonna return to championship form. Hopefully in 5 years if not then in 10 or 15 years. :mad1:

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Postby khmrP on Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:40 pm

lakersfever wrote:Well we gave all of that money to Kobe so even if we could get someone like Melo or Lebron, how are we gonna fill out the rest of the roster?

Business decision should have been to amentised Kobe but now we're irrelevant and stuck with a huge contract further impeding our progress to rebuild. I'm not sure when the Lakers are gonna return to championship form. Hopefully in 5 years if not then in 10 or 15 years. :mad1:


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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:21 pm

lakersfever wrote:Well we gave all of that money to Kobe so even if we could get someone like Melo or Lebron, how are we gonna fill out the rest of the roster?

Business decision should have been to amentised Kobe but now we're irrelevant and stuck with a huge contract further impeding our progress to rebuild. I'm not sure when the Lakers are gonna return to championship form. Hopefully in 5 years if not then in 10 or 15 years. :mad1:

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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:14 pm

Melo is one of the top scorers in the game. He could have gotten to 70 yesterday. Remember that LeBron tried to top Kobe's 61 in MSG right after he did it. He couldn't, because he has to dunk/layup his way there, which requires too many open lanes, even against the Knicks.

He kinda got complacent with the losing Knicks the last few years, but I still like his game. LeBron is the smarter / fitter (more PEDed :man12: ) player, but he can't shoot like Melo can. I'd like to think that he has enough in the tank to pair up with Kobe for a couple championship runs.
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