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Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

1) Yah
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2) Nay
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3) Not only no but hell no
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby khmrP on Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:43 am

hopefully we get a chance at Wiggins/Parker and Melo goes away or stays in that stink hole known as the Knicks.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:13 am

Fortunately the draft is before NBA free agency. Who we draft will dictate who we go after. If we draft someone like Smart or Exum, I think it will push us towards Melo, with Love being the big we target the following year. If we get one of those top 3 picks and land Parker or Wiggins, I see us pushing for Bledsoe in the offseason, and Love the next.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:28 am

If we get a top 3 and get Embiid, I would'nt mind Melo, but I think we could build a more balanced team through free agency.

Pick up a SF like Deng/Granger/Gay.
Resign Farmar and go after Lowry.
Resign Young, Hill and Johnson.

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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:31 am

Barnstable wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:As I've said before….. Melo will hold us hostage this offseason while the attention is on him and his decision making….. meanwhile we will lose any of the gems we've found this year because we will be paralyzed until he signs either with us or someone else.

I hope we don't…. but think we will…..


Reports say that the FO isn't super enamored with Melo, but that he may still believe him to be the best we can get this off season. I'm hoping we don't wait forever for him to make up his mind, or better yet, he's already made up him mind, and he's coming to the Lakers for a reduced price*

I would however take Melo (at a bargain price) along with Monroe if Mitch has a bit of sorcery left in his wand.

Yeah if Melo wanted to come for less than his market value, I'm in. If he came here for less than the Max I don't think anyone could argue against it (well besides Melo haters). I'd be all for Carmelo coming here on the cheap, he's still a top 3 scorer in this League.

I doubt that happens though. I think a lot will depend on what pick we get and who we get with it. It's going to be a very fluid situation this summer.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby karacha on Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:02 am

I would be OK with this too -- but Melo is going to ask for the max, and you know he's going to get it somewhere. He's a great player, not perfect for our situation, sure... but in any case, he's a max guy.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:06 am

I wouldn't want him even if he were to take noticeably less. He is not a winner. And never was. His style of play is anti-team. The way he plays simply kills team morale and offensive flow. No one wants to play with him because of this fact. At least Kobe, when it mattered in the playoffs, had the ability to draw the double team and make good passes to set up his teammates. Melo seldom does this. He can't make his teammates better. That's what separates guys like Kobe, LeBron and MJ from Melo, McGrady and Wilkins.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:09 am

karacha wrote:I would be OK with this too -- but Melo is going to ask for the max, and you know he's going to get it somewhere. He's a great player, not perfect for our situation, sure... but in any case, he's a max guy.


The Max money is a given…. as is the contract length, which is the part I'd hate to do with a 31 year old who relies on athleticism and is already becoming much more one dimensional offensively.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:16 am

There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:25 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:I wouldn't want him even if he were to take noticeably less. He is not a winner. And never was. His style of play is anti-team. The way he plays simply kills team morale and offensive flow. No one wants to play with him because of this fact. At least Kobe, when it mattered in the playoffs, had the ability to draw the double team and make good passes to set up his teammates. Melo seldom does this. He can't make his teammates better. That's what separates guys like Kobe, LeBron and MJ from Melo, McGrady and Wilkins.


It doesn't help when your team sucks.

Kobe didn't want to defer to players like Smush, Kwame, Cook, Mihm. It wasn't until the emergence of Bynum and the coming of Pau which finally opened up Kobe to trusting.

That's what Melo has to learn. Pau was never a winner. His teams just sucked. All stars needs players they can rely on. Michael didn't do anything before Pippen came. When it's all said and done, it IS a team game, and you need good players around you that you can trust when the time comes.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Center Court on Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:41 pm

therealdeal wrote:There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.


This x 100

My question for people who are so vehemently opposed to Melo is what does Love do that makes him such a better target than Carmelo?

He's younger by a few years which is only thing that I can say makes him the far more attractive player. Otherwise I have not really seen anything that wows me into thinking Love is the superior player now or even ever than Melo.

Guess yay or nay depends on your belief in Kobe's healthy return and your views on a short term vs long term rebuild.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby nluna75 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:44 pm

We all must remember that when Carmelo had a team that he TRUSTED in 09 he was fantastic. In that 09 series he was matching Kobe bucket for bucket but Pau, Ariza and Odom were the deciding factors in that series. Melo has to learn to be a winner and Kobe will teach that to him. The thing is i'm all in for a rebuilding project but Kobe isn't and he shouldn't be. I believe next season we will get Melo and trade whoever we draft for KLove. Next Season's lineup......

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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby karacha on Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:51 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
karacha wrote:I would be OK with this too -- but Melo is going to ask for the max, and you know he's going to get it somewhere. He's a great player, not perfect for our situation, sure... but in any case, he's a max guy.


The Max money is a given…. as is the contract length, which is the part I'd hate to do with a 31 year old who relies on athleticism and is already becoming much more one dimensional offensively.


I can agree with most of this, except the athleticism part. He never struck me as a particularly athletic type of player. He's strong and crafty on the offensive end. He can play in the post or shoot the ball, but athletic.... I would not use that word to describe his game.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:55 pm

The simple fact that Melo has earned Kobe's respect & they're good friends off the court tells me that Melo would be willing to accept the challenge of letting Kobe teach him how to win.. Dwight wasn't up to the task & ran away.. If Melo comes here he knows what he's in for.. I think it ultimately comes down to him taking a bit of a paycut to give us more flexibility.. Kobe could have gotten over 30M if he demanded max raises on his extension but he left some money on the table for us to build a contender with. If Melo is willing to do the same & take a contract around 14-16M we have to go for it. Also I disagree with the notion that Melo relies on his athleticism.. I've always seen him as a player whose game will age very well because much like Kobe, he relies on his jumper & post moves to get alot of his points.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby khmrP on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:14 pm

maybe I'm a cynic but personally I'm 100% positive Melo isn't taking a paycut especially considering the tax rates in LA and cost of living in LA. The Mia trio took merely $1mill less per year but that off-set due to the fact Fl had lower tax rate and no state income tax or something like that. The #'s I see suggested here looks like 6-7mill/yr paycut (14-16mill/yr vs getting 20+)....yea I dont think Melo values winning that much :man10:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:23 pm

No one really expects him to. It's just an abstract thought.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:36 pm

khmrP wrote:maybe I'm a cynic but personally I'm 100% positive Melo isn't taking a paycut especially considering the tax rates in LA and cost of living in LA. The Mia trio took merely $1mill less per year but that off-set due to the fact Fl had lower tax rate and no state income tax or something like that. The #'s I see suggested here looks like 6-7mill/yr paycut (14-16mill/yr vs getting 20+)....yea I dont think Melo values winning that much :man10:


NY and CA have similar state taxes but NYC has some crazy taxes if you live in the city. Property taxes are higher in NYC but not that much…. overall going to CA from NYC will be negligible in total taxation. It's about 50% off the top no matter what you do.

TX and FL have no State Income Taxes and they have much lower property tax rates as well…. THAT can make a huge difference. About 12 to 15% difference….. and when it's 20 Million your talking about that more than makes up for some "giving back" to go to a state like those.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:49 pm

They should really even the playing field on state taxes.. Make players cap hits reflect what they take home after taxes, not their gross.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:04 pm

Why do we need Melo if we have Nick Young? (Offensive speaking)

If it came down to ...

Kobe/Melo combining for 50 points a night at 43 million

or

Kobe/Young combining for 42 points a night at 29 million

Which option would you take? We can't spend that extra 14 million dollars from option 2 on anything else? That extra 8 points a night from option 1 is worth 14 million?

Note: I'm not saying Young >>>> Melo, I'm saying we would be better off with Young + 14 million dollars as opposed to 8 extra points a night for 14 million dollars more with option 1.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby TIME on Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:29 am

Doc Brown wrote:Why do we need Melo if we have Nick Young? (Offensive speaking)

If it came down to ...

Kobe/Melo combining for 50 points a night at 43 million

or

Kobe/Young combining for 42 points a night at 29 million

Which option would you take? We can't spend that extra 14 million dollars from option 2 on anything else? That extra 8 points a night from option 1 is worth 14 million?

Note: I'm not saying Young >>>> Melo, I'm saying we would be better off with Young + 14 million dollars as opposed to 8 extra points a night for 14 million dollars more with option 1.


Good point, and I don't want to dismiss the value per point issue. But keep in mind that Nick only scores on jumpers and may or may not be capable of sustaining this level in a playoffs situation. Melo is a proven scorer under playoff pressure and when his jumper is not falling can post and get it done in a way that Nick will never be able to duplicate.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:57 am

^^^^ Melo career FG% in the regular season : 45.5 ... it drops to 41.7 in the postseason ... this can't be overlooked .

Sure he can post up but I disagree he does it enough when the J isn't falling ... I've seen dozen and dozen games where his J isn't falling and Melo keeps shooting outside shots ...

IQ , intangibles and D aren't there when it comes to Melo ...
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:03 am

Center Court wrote:
therealdeal wrote:There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.


This x 100

My question for people who are so vehemently opposed to Melo is what does Love do that makes him such a better target than Carmelo?

He's younger by a few years which is only thing that I can say makes him the far more attractive player. Otherwise I have not really seen anything that wows me into thinking Love is the superior player now or even ever than Melo.

Guess yay or nay depends on your belief in Kobe's healthy return and your views on a short term vs long term rebuild.


You're right Love is a huge liability on D ... I guess we can use the " he'll get better with better players around him in a winning environment" cliche argument but I'm not sold on it ...

First thing to do is to get a coach who values D , implements defensive schemes and hold players accountable for their defensive mistakes ... then we can talk about getting the right players .
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby themasterphil on Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:21 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Center Court wrote:
therealdeal wrote:There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.


This x 100

My question for people who are so vehemently opposed to Melo is what does Love do that makes him such a better target than Carmelo?

He's younger by a few years which is only thing that I can say makes him the far more attractive player. Otherwise I have not really seen anything that wows me into thinking Love is the superior player now or even ever than Melo.

Guess yay or nay depends on your belief in Kobe's healthy return and your views on a short term vs long term rebuild.


You're right Love is a huge liability on D ... I guess we can use the " he'll get better with better players around him in a winning environment" cliche argument but I'm not sold on it ...

First thing to do is to get a coach who values D , implements defensive schemes and hold players accountable for their defensive mistakes ... then we can talk about getting the right players .

this is 100% true.....who cares about players if MDA is going to be our coach next year....in that case I really dont care bc with him as our coach we cant win anything....end of story
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:02 am

TIME wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Why do we need Melo if we have Nick Young? (Offensive speaking)

If it came down to ...

Kobe/Melo combining for 50 points a night at 43 million

or

Kobe/Young combining for 42 points a night at 29 million

Which option would you take? We can't spend that extra 14 million dollars from option 2 on anything else? That extra 8 points a night from option 1 is worth 14 million?

Note: I'm not saying Young >>>> Melo, I'm saying we would be better off with Young + 14 million dollars as opposed to 8 extra points a night for 14 million dollars more with option 1.


Good point, and I don't want to dismiss the value per point issue. But keep in mind that Nick only scores on jumpers and may or may not be capable of sustaining this level in a playoffs situation. Melo is a proven scorer under playoff pressure and when his jumper is not falling can post and get it done in a way that Nick will never be able to duplicate.


I disagree about Melo in the playoffs. He had the one good post season in 08-09, but the rest of his playoff appearances have been filled with high volume shot numbers with low shooting % and 1st round exits. Do we need another guy that takes 22 shots to get 28 points? Especially at that price? 30 million dollars in the last year of his deal is some serious money to give out.

With the additional money we have given the Nick Young route, we can add players that could pick up for Young in the playoffs if he has a bad game. We can get players that can play defense, rebound, pass to fill in the other aspects of the game.

I just can't see justifying giving Melo that outrageous contract when A.) We already have Kobe on one of those contracts and 2.) It severely limits us from adding other players that we will definitely need to get, because Kobe/Melo isn't enough to win it all when players 3-9 are bargain bin players.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby hollywood swinger on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:21 am

if you can pair a healthy 24 with a in prime melo next year it is worth doing to make a 2 year run. hopefully you still get a top 5 pick this year in draft to be 3rd wheel and you go from there.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony: Yah or nay?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:57 am

Center Court wrote:
therealdeal wrote:There is nothing about Carmelo's game that relies on athleticism. He uses his body to create space to score. He uses his strength to fight for rebounds. He doesn't fly above the rim and he doesn't use speed to find room to score.


This x 100

My question for people who are so vehemently opposed to Melo is what does Love do that makes him such a better target than Carmelo?

He's younger by a few years which is only thing that I can say makes him the far more attractive player. Otherwise I have not really seen anything that wows me into thinking Love is the superior player now or even ever than Melo.

Guess yay or nay depends on your belief in Kobe's healthy return and your views on a short term vs long term rebuild.


Melo is 30. He has maybe 2-3 prime years left. And after that, it's down hill. Love is just 26, entering his prime.

But beyond the age, I view Love as an amazing second fiddle superstar. Someone who can be effective within the flow of the offense. A complimentary wing player would be a great combo with him. I mean anyone who can get 26/13 is pretty dam good. He's got unlimited range and is a rebounding monster. His post up game is improving. I just like the idea of him pairing up with a great wing player to form that superstar duo.

That is much better than having who ball dominant guys in Kobe and Melo fighting for possessions on iso situations. :bang: Really, I hate watching Melo play. He is the epitome of how NOT to play basketball. Just give him the ball and get out of the way. I would hate to play with a guy like that.
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