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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:08 pm

No to Kaman... he was a lumbering oaf and now just moving in slow motion but more importantly not cute, in fact, he is the exact opposite of cute :man5:
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby revgen on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:09 pm

I'd rather have Dalembert.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby 432J on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:11 pm

rather have mullens but if kaman is the best we can do then by all means
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby kidhell on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:16 pm

Are you kidding me? Absolutely not. He was second rate when he was young... and he is not anywhere near what you'd call young... where's Mbenga please???
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:23 pm

kidhell wrote:Are you kidding me? Absolutely not. He was second rate when he was young... and he is not anywhere near what you'd call young... where's Mbenga please???


mbenga is older than kaman and he sucks
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby lakefansac on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:29 pm

Alright! The Lakers are assembling the early 2000's Clipper squad with Odom, Brand, and Kaman. Hey, I heard that Cuttino Mobley wants to make a comeback.

But it seriousness, Kaman is a solid although a declining player whose best days are behind him.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:No to Kaman... he was a lumbering oaf and now just moving in slow motion but more importantly not cute, in fact, he is the exact opposite of cute :man5:

:man10: This is one of the best scouting reports of all time.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby rydjorker121 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:49 pm

I loathe having even to write up a scouting report on Caveman, in the event the Lakers somehow sign him, because it will absolutely be filled with scathing reviews. To be honest with you, I can't even see why the Lakers want this guy--the best complement to Pau would be an excellent defending, rebounding type to bring toughness to the frontcourt. We don't need any more floor spacers there. D'Antoni's obsession with this is alarming.

Caveman's numbers look superficially good at first glance, but everything is smoke and mirrors here. Yes, he can score--he ranked 6th out of 54th centers in scoring rate--but do we need scoring at the expense of almost everything else. Kaman's scoring is even horrid because he's so reminiscent of Michael Doleac--he has no at-rim game--he's 49th out of 54 centers in taking shots directly at the rim, 51st at drawing fouls, 40th at offensive rebound rate. Not to mention he's woefully unathletic--only five centers dunk less than he does when they see the rim. He doesn't pass the ball well either--42nd in assist rate. All he does on offense well is knowing how to get open (5th in usage rate) and hit jumpers--in fact, among centers, he's fourth best. He takes a lot from no-man's land (10-15 ft) and also long mid-range J's, and while not bad from 10-15, he really, really excels at the long mid-range J's (4th among 54 centers). But with zero inside game, which is by far the easiest way to generate points, and therefore zero foul drawing, he isn't very efficient even shooting 50% from the field. The mid-range J is BY FAR the worst shot of the game. If he had some passing, maybe he could help a few matters...but he has none. By hogging the ball so much with average efficiency and no passing, it's no wonder that he could possibly be making teams worse on offense. Just subliminally (like the "Jason Kapono" effect--we call it mid-range destruction).

Kaman's just awful on defense--he's subpar in contesting shots. He got overpowered at the rim frequently last year--he was 14th of 16th players in Dallas last year in contesting shots directly at the rim but relatively average everywhere else, with zero areas with any potential whatsoever. In addition, he has rapidly lost his superficial shotblocking ability along with much of his athleticism, and you'd think with he'd realize it and start attempting to draw charges, which he doesn't do at all--as a result, he's 36th among 54 centers in defensive plays, subpar. He's an average defensive rebounder, but overall a poor rebounder, and he's one of 34 NBA players to have no athleticism and no defense, which really isn't a good place to be. Rick Carlisle had a lot of players who put up superficial numbers in his Dallas team last year, but as smart coach, he realized it and cut back a lot of their minutes--Kaman was one of them, as he only played 20 minutes a game.

Injuries are also a major concern--he's missed 86 games over the past three seasons, which clearly has had an effect in his rapidly declining athleticism--he has virtually zero athletic markers, with declining at-rim game, shotblocking, defensive playmaking, and free throw rates. With no defense he's pretty much became a high usage mid-range jumpshooting specialist, but with zero passing and no at-rim game he's had a poor net effect offensively as well. It's hard to believe he'd be useful in any capacity because he has a poor effect offensively and a horrendous effect defensively. It's Michael Doleac all over again. On top of all the injuries, one wonders if he's even worth a roster spot.

Okay, that's my scouting report. I'll steal this one if we do sign him.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:59 pm

Would still be a good value if we used the full mini mle on him, but he'd be an absolute steal for the minimum. Adding Kaman & LO to the frontcourt would make us pretty solid there.. Hopefully we're able to save the mini mle for Nick Young. I think we can count on Sasha coming back for the minimum & Farmar is possible. We'd still need another SF or we wouldn't be able to amnesty MWP. That team can win more games than we did last year.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby dj vitus on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:08 pm

Dallas leftovers, Clipper leftovers, international leftovers, bum knees Bynum... :man10: I'm not sure we'll even win 25 games next year!
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby chingy248 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:15 pm

kidhell wrote:Are you kidding me? Absolutely not. He was second rate when he was young... and he is not anywhere near what you'd call young... where's Mbenga please???


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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:20 pm

Please no.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby John3:16 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:46 pm

Who can we get that is better?
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby Finwë on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:49 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
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So... what's your criteria for Laker Girls?.......

mustache thickness, razor bumps and overbite style.


So Kaman can fill both slots then.....

he has soft touch around the rim too..... That has to worth something

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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:07 pm

There's not enough money to sign a good young free agent out there for the Lakers. Just sign the former All-Star has beens.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby kobe_mamba on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:12 pm

I have to admit, my first thought was, Chris Kaman, really....??? :man3:

But, all in all he's not that bad. Can shoot/score and has decent fundamentals but isn't much of a defender. He would be a decent bench big man. Also, let's face it, right now it appears as though the Lakers are struggling to sign anyone.....unless there is some secret Jum Buss Plan B going on behind closed doors....?!
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby lakerfan2 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:15 pm

Jordan Hill is a great compliment to Pau. No thanks to Kaman.

Amnesty Metta, find a SF that can space the floor. Find a player off the bench that can score.

We can suffice with that next season.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby kobe_mamba on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:22 pm

I actually think Metta could play a lot of PF at times especially in MDA's offense. His defence as PF could really help this team. I don't really think - unless its totally for cap/monetary reasons - that the Lakers amnesty MWP right now
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby Kangaroo Grandkid on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:27 pm

I don't see how anyone could read rydjorker121's scouting report and still believe that this guy would be worthwhile.

Pass. Oh, wait, he doesn't do that, either.
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby Helljumper on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:32 pm

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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby chingy248 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:54 pm

kobe_mamba wrote:I have to admit, my first thought was, Chris Kaman, really....??? :man3:

But, all in all he's not that bad. Can shoot/score and has decent fundamentals but isn't much of a defender. He would be a decent bench big man. Also, let's face it, right now it appears as though the Lakers are struggling to sign anyone.....unless there is some secret Jum Buss Plan B going on behind closed doors....?!



He's not thaaat bad. But you have to factor in this is the Phoenix Suns offense that we are running + the fact that he's been injured every other week when he was the Mavs. He wouldn't last at all
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby kobe_mamba on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:01 pm

chingy248 wrote:
kobe_mamba wrote:I have to admit, my first thought was, Chris Kaman, really....??? :man3:

But, all in all he's not that bad. Can shoot/score and has decent fundamentals but isn't much of a defender. He would be a decent bench big man. Also, let's face it, right now it appears as though the Lakers are struggling to sign anyone.....unless there is some secret Jum Buss Plan B going on behind closed doors....?!



He's not thaaat bad. But you have to factor in this is the Phoenix Suns offense that we are running + the fact that he's been injured every other week when he was the Mavs. He wouldn't last at all


of course. i agree his health will be a factor. but if he's playing as Backup C to Pau (let's just hope that is the plan if he is signed and not a C/PF combo of those two guys) his minutes will be fairly limited
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:04 pm

No offense guys, but it is what it is. If he's available for cheap, he's 7 feet tall and 6 fouls.

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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby BDG on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:12 pm

So Farmar, Sasha and Odom ...

... or Brand & Kaman.

Either we're trying to re-unite an old Lakers team or re-unite an old Clippers team.

Time will tell ...
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Re: Lakers and Chris Caveman Have Mutual Interest

Postby Kangaroo Grandkid on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:28 pm

BDG wrote:So Farmar, Sasha and Odom ...

... or Brand & Kaman.

Either we're trying to re-unite an old Lakers team or re-unite an old Clippers team.

Time will tell ...


Old Lakers, please. I'd rather lose with our team than lose with someone else's.
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