Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:30 pm

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Kaman was OK with Jordan Hill getting the 4th Q minutes over him: "A guy to play 22 mins and get 13 reb, that's impressive in this league"
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Nice words from Kaman here. Too bad it wasn't about Hill taking Kaman's minutes, it was Pau taking Kaman's minutes.

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Chris Kaman: "We need Kobe Bryant to come back, sooner than later. That happens when it happens, but that’s a huge piece that we’re missing"
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Seriously. Close games down the stretch like tonight. No doubt Kobe would be getting those need a score buckets.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:19 pm

Kaman is going to be pissed soon about his PT ... he has been very political correct so far but I don't think it's going to last ... you can't blame him though
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:34 am

give all of pau's minutes to kaman. every single one down to the millisecond. nojoke.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:56 am

^Agreed...he should be playing more when Pau is playing like he is right now...
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:27 pm

Kaman is our best all around big man. Given minutes he has the potential to get us 14 and 10.

It's a "Pecking order" thing apparently..... because it sure isn't based on merit.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Sirron on Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:28 pm

It's based on a coach that doesn't seem to know what he wants yet.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:17 am

Lakers want a drama free season after last year constant whining ... that's why MDA isn't benching Pau ( at least yet) ... to not hurt Pau feelings ... we all saw how Pau took it last season when he was rightfully benched on several occasions down the stretch .

If the trend of "Pau pathetic play and not being held accountable for it" continues , Hill and Kaman are going to be frustrated very soon ( they probably already are)... Kaman will go public without a doubt , Jordan might be traded
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:37 pm

With the locker room just about emptied, Kaman pauses from eating his sandwich & shouts across the room: "Hey Hill, nice job w/ FTs tonite"
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:44 pm

Another active, nice game from Cave Man tonight. The guy's still got some good moves and footwork and speed with it all. And that bullet overhand pass after he chased down that lose ball was :stunoice:
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Weezy on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:50 pm

Ha ha, I can't help but love this guy. His shot wasn't falling early, but he still stuck with it and as usual gives 100%. Not the most athletic, but he gives all he has, even blocks more shots at the rim than I anticipated. That chase down steal in slow motion at half court and the bullet pass to Young for the easy bucket was awesome.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:52 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:
With the locker room just about emptied, Kaman pauses from eating his sandwich & shouts across the room: "Hey Hill, nice job w/ FTs tonite"


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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:10 am

I loved that scooping pass to Hill too, Weez.

This dude has been a great signing for us. When he plays like this, we're a dangerous team inside and that's huge for us. Kaman in limited minutes is a handful to guard.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:59 am

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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby therealdeal on Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:01 pm

It's weird he's been out, but the team has been a lot better I think because of it.

Weird to me because I actually liked what Kaman was bringing out there outside of the fact that he's not really looking to pass very often.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:48 pm

I think we definitely could have used him tonight. We had no answer for Nene - no one was keeping him out of the paint. Caveman could have at least slowed him down.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby LakerFan1235 on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:49 pm

Lakerjones wrote:I think we definitely could have used him tonight. We had no answer for Nene - no one was keeping him out of the paint. Caveman could have at least slowed him down.

I was definitely thinking about this in the 4th quarter.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby khmrP on Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:14 am

I see the injury bug has hit early for this guy.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Tragic on Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:40 am

we miss his rim protection
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby noobiew on Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:29 am

Kaman searching for lost opportunity

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NEW YORK -- For the second straight season, Los Angeles Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni is dealing with a former All-Star on his bench struggling to accept the coach's decision not to play him.

Last season, things got so bad between D'Antoni and Antawn Jamison that the coach and player got into a verbal spat on the sidelines during a road game in Houston and Jamison aired his grievances through the media. This season, it's Chris Kaman feeling like the odd man out, but doing his best to be diplomatic about it.

Before Kaman received his fourth straight DNP in Wednesday's 99-94 win over the Brooklyn Nets, the Lakers' center said not only was he over the back injury he recently suffered in practice, he was cleared to play in the Lakers' 116-111 loss to the Washington Wizards on Tuesday but D'Antoni did not call his number.

"I was actually good last game, I just couldn't get in there, I guess," Kaman said. "I don't know. I'm ready to go."

The 11-year veteran is averaging 8.3 points and 5.3 rebounds this season and started three games for L.A., however he had already begun to find himself on the outskirts of D'Antoni's rotation before the back injury.

Kaman played only six minutes in his most recent game action -- a 114-99 win over the Detroit Pistons -- going 1-for-4 from the field for two points to go with one rebound off the bench, while Jordan Hill put up career highs in points (24) and rebounds (17) in 36 minutes as the starter alongside Pau Gasol.

This isn't the first time Kaman has found himself searching for his role in his first season with the Lakers. The 11-year veteran performed well in the preseason before coming down with salmonella poisoning during the team's trip to China, causing him to miss 10 days of training camp and lose his spot in the starting lineup to Shawne Williams when the regular season opened.

"I thought I was playing pretty well before I got sick and then I come back and things are kind of changed for me," Kaman said. "I didn't plan on getting sick, it just happened. And then at the start of the regular season I thought I played pretty well and then we change all the lineups around."

Kaman spoke up after the Lakers' 105-103 win over the Atlanta Hawks on Nov. 3, clamoring for a shot to play alongside fellow big man Gasol on the court at the same time, a notion Gasol supported.

D'Antoni has adopted a bigger lineup, but it has been Gasol and Hill, not Gasol and Kaman, getting the minutes together.

"We've been up and down a little bit, but lately we've been up so I don't have anything to really complain about," Kaman said. "I obviously would like to play, but it's not in my control. I'm doing everything I can do. I'm trying to get ready and keep myself in good shape and do the extra work I'm supposed to and just be positive because things can change at any time."

D'Antoni has not discussed the decision with Kaman.

"I haven't had any conversations about it," Kaman said. "I just kind of keep going with it however it goes. I don't know, what am I going to say? 'Play me more' or 'Let me play'? I mean, if he wants to play me, he'll play me. He knows what I can do. Maybe he doesn't know what I can do. I don't know.

"I think he’s just kind of going with what's been working the last four or five games. We've got some good wins and guys have been playing pretty well. We've been moving the ball. It's just hard to say. I'm not in his head. I don't know. It's obviously frustrating for me, but I'm just going to keep being positive and if I got to be a cheerleader, I'll be a cheerleader. If I have to be helpful in practice, I'll be helpful in practice. I've been in this league long enough to know what I'm capable of and how I can help the team if given the opportunity."

Hill, who went just 1-for-9 against Brooklyn (albeit while grabbing 12 rebounds) has had his playing time reduced in the past two games.

"Maybe we're playing him too many minutes," D'Antoni said of Hill before the game. "Maybe he can't go those many minutes. We got to figure that out."

D'Antoni unexpectedly gave eight of Hill's normal minutes to Robert Sacre on Wednesday after Sacre had appeared in only three of the Lakers' first 15 games.

"He can give us something that we need," D'Antoni said of Sacre, who collected one rebound, one block and two points during his short stint. "He gives us great interior defense. He's a big body. He's worked his behind off and he's getting more athletic. We've been talking about it for two weeks -- he can play. I've got to have enough courage to go ahead and [play him] and he earned to play again."

Kaman was sure to not peg himself against any of his teammates who are playing ahead of him.

"I'm not trying to steal nobody's minutes," Kaman said. "That's not my thing. I can't conscientiously go to Coach and say, 'Oh, I deserve to play over someone else or someone else.' I can't do that because Jordan has been playing really well and Pau has actually picked up his game his last 3-4 games. I'm just looking for opportunities. If it comes, it comes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I can't control that kind of stuff."

Kaman, who signed a one-year deal with the Lakers during the offseason worth about $3.2 million, said being benched was not what he envisioned when he joined the team.

"I was told certain things, but, it doesn't always work out that way," Kaman said. "I don't know if anybody anticipated Jordan to have the season that he's having so far, so I think the expectations were a little bit different for him and myself. I obviously knew what Pau was going to give them. He's been giving them that for years and so that spot's not something that's going to be available. That's his position, his minutes and he deserves that.

"Jordan has been playing awesome. He really has. He's been showing people the rebounding he has and the different things -- a guy diving to the basket full speed, on the rim. So, I'm really impressed with Jordan. I can't really say anything negative about him. But, it's tough. I came here for a reason and I want the opportunity to fulfill that. I can't control that and I just got to try to get back in better shape and I kind of got knocked down by the salmonella poisoning and the back, so I just kind of need to get back in the swing of things."

Asked about Kaman's status before the game, D'Antoni said he thought the 7-footer's back had healed but couldn't promise any playing time.

"We have a certain rotation and certain guys are not going to find a whole lot of minutes," D'Antoni said. "That makes it tough to get everybody in there."
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby kblo247 on Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:48 am

Welcome to the life of Jamison.

Jamison is the prime example of sacrifice lol. He sacrificed for a ring and all he got was his minutes yanked around, an injured wrist, and being looked at as a vet min player who should be happy to be in a roster and prove his way into a rotation. You think he doesn't regret turning down the Bobcats mle and starting PF job in his home?
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby revgen on Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:57 am

D'Antoni is trying to look for a good combination of defense and offense. Especially now that Kobe is close to returning. Kobe's defense will be worse than what Meeks is giving us, but he'll help us out on offense.

D'Antoni wants to see if Sacre can give some better rim protection, especially if Kobe is going to be a sieve on D coming back from his achilles injury. A young athletic quatro of Sacre, Hill, Henry and Johnson may be what the doctor ordered for defense when your two perimeter players are over the age of 30. And even older when Nash returns.

Kaman isn't a very good defender. His strength is mainly on the offensive end, especially when he and Pau pass to each other. Not exactly what you want with Kobe coming back.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby karacha on Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:46 am

Kaman is saying all the right things. Great teammate. It must be tough for him, but maybe MDA can try to give him some of Pau's minutes when Pau can't get it going. Just an idea.... Pau gets to rest a little, and Kaman pretty much gives you the same thing: passing and offense. His jumper is better too.

But defense in the paint is the key and we just don't have a big guy who can intimidate opponents anymore. We always had someone who could do that.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:00 am

Honestly the team chemistry right now is great without him on the floor. We're producing, we're getting the looks we want...

I think Kaman probably should some of Pau's minutes and most of Williams' minutes. I like Shawne Williams, but Kaman is a better player.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:01 am

I want to see more of Kaman. I thought he was hurt. I can't believe that MDA didn't use Kaman against the Wizards when Nene dropped 30 on us. I thought he wasn't available. IMO MDA gets some of the blame for that loss then. None of our guys could do anything to stop Nene on the defense, they were too thin to deal with his bulk. Kaman could have definitely bodied him up and banged him around. Plus he would have made him work harder on D. Wow, MDA blew that one.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:02 am

therealdeal wrote:
I think Kaman probably should some of Pau's minutes and most of Williams' minutes. I like Shawne Williams, but Kaman is a better player.


Agree. I thought Williams was getting all these minutes because Kaman was hurt. Turns out it's just MDA's decision. :disagree: Come on Mike.
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