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Postby lakersin4 on Mon May 06, 2013 10:09 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Talented players score...its the other side that matters especially from April to June.

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Maybe this guy can come aboard? And like the players, he'll just tune out MDA.

That's my 1st choice.. I don't like the idea of Nate because he isn't really a defensive specialist.. Rambis not only gives us a true defensive assistant but also a voice the players will respect & not tune out.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Lakerjones on Mon May 06, 2013 10:10 pm

Not sure why some of you are shocked that Bernie is going to be gone. He was here for Mike Brown. I did like Bernie a lot to be sure. I would have much rather had him finish out the season than D' Antoni. He had the same roster winning at an .800 clip.

Chuck Person I will definitely miss. I've always liked the rifleman. I don't see the point in canning him at all. Serves no good purpose as far as I can see. Who is going to replace him? A D' Antoni guy of some sort? Whoo hoo! Can't wait. Bring on more of that good ole D' Antoni winning magic. :jam2:

Let's get that D' Antoni brain trust going! I'm so excited.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Weezy on Mon May 06, 2013 10:32 pm

The Rock wrote:Yea JVG the guy who couldn't get out of the 1st round with a prime T-Mac and Yao. JVG is good but hes not the right fit for our team, hes in the Mike Brown mold where he has no creativity on offense


I'm going to assume that you are too young to remember JVG coached teams from the 90's, they were good, he even got an 8th seed to the Finals in 99, and yes I know it was a shortened season. What you said is kind of like saying Jerry Sloan is a bad coach because he lost Deron Williams at the end and wasn't as successful, but ignoring all the good stuff he did before that.

As for Persons and Bernie, I'll be sad to see Bernie go, he's a good coach, but Chuck, whatever.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Lakerjones on Mon May 06, 2013 10:36 pm

^^ Yeah, I would like to see JVG coach this team actually. Or rather, this team after Pau is moved for a two way starting caliber SF.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Center Court on Mon May 06, 2013 10:53 pm

JSM wrote:Fantastic news...we just fired the best coach on the payroll (BB).

And he wants to downsize his coaching staff? :bang: When you're a no talent hack, you should want all the help you can get. Hell, if I'm MDA I go ask for an extra row of seats for the coaches (like Dallas -- pretty sure they've had nearly 12 coaches on their staff at one time).


If we can add McMill AND Gentry, I'll be satisfied. Not happy, but satisfied.

I remember Grugeihc or whatever being talked about on here years ago..not sure what happened but we need someone who can run a top notch defense.

Dwight is waiting and watching.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon May 06, 2013 11:23 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:I AM NOT A ROCKETS FAN. Thanks for the disrespect... now I'm leaving this site... GOOD BYE


:man10: Good. What was with the name, anyway? :man10:
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Tue May 07, 2013 12:00 am

JVG is basically the defense version of MDA. People will hate him for the same reasons they hate MDA except on the opposite end of the floor. And it's not like our guys are so good offensively that they don't need someone competent there. They were only ranked 9th this season and that's with basically nothing but offensive minded guys.

An ideal coach would be a guy with the resume to demand respect and control the players with big egos (Kobe and Dwight) while also knowing the game very well (I'm describing Phil here). Obviously that's not going to happen so who is left? As far as big names go you won't find a guy who is going to fit all those requirements so you have to settle.

But anyway we're stuck with MDA so finding someone who can run the defense is about the best we can do. Guys like Nate or Gentry don't solve anything.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby kenzo on Tue May 07, 2013 12:03 am

They're geeting rid of wrong guys here :man9: I wonder what our players think of all this (esp Kobe and Dwight). I know Chuck worked with the big guys and Kobe liked him a lot.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 07, 2013 9:09 am

karacha wrote:Not unexpected.

I think Chuck leaving is a little unexpected...

Wasn't he Metta's guy?
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 07, 2013 11:24 am

This is f****** great.

Dan D'Antoni, and Darvin Ham? Really? Darvin Ham is either asleep or in the second row of the bench horsing around and laughing. And this guy stays?

D'Antoni just fired the two people with ANY backbone on this team. Now we won't have anyone to put his a** in place.

This is bad news.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 07, 2013 11:40 am

The Rock wrote:Yea JVG the guy who couldn't get out of the 1st round with a prime T-Mac and Yao. JVG is good but hes not the right fit for our team, hes in the Mike Brown mold where he has no creativity on offense

You talking about the same Rockets team that had T-Mac and Yao healthy for ONE year 04-05?

The same Rockets team whose 3rd best player was a 32 year old Juwan Howard?

The same Rockets team that was injury plagued and went to game 7 with Dallas that year?
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 11:50 am

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The Rock wrote:Yea JVG the guy who couldn't get out of the 1st round with a prime T-Mac and Yao. JVG is good but hes not the right fit for our team, hes in the Mike Brown mold where he has no creativity on offense

You talking about the same Rockets team that had T-Mac and Yao healthy for ONE year 04-05?

The same Rockets team whose 3rd best player was a 32 year old Juwan Howard?

The same Rockets team that was injury plagued and went to game 7 with Dallas that year?


That team had a 2-0 lead to begin the series IN DALLAS and still choked it away. 07 playoffs 3rd in the West, lost game 7 at home vs Utah. Like I said JVG is good but hes got some ways to go before being considered a championship coach Im sure he'll get there some day just not now and not with this team
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 07, 2013 11:59 am

Yeah, they choked it away, but that's not always on the coach. We went to 7 games with the Rockets in 2009, the first round against the 8th seed...with Phil Jackson as our coach.

After 2004-05 that Rockets team was decimated by injuries, T-Mac/Yao played ~40-50 games total per year. They never really had any depth, either.

I think it's fair to say that 2007 was a disappointment, not every year can be a win.

I don't think he's the best coach out there, but I like him over MDA for sure. Also, I wouldn't mind him as a defensive assistant....especially for D'Antoni.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby XXIV on Tue May 07, 2013 12:32 pm

I'm surprised they let Chuck go, and didn't Bernie get the Rutgers job?
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue May 07, 2013 1:09 pm

The Rock wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
The Rock wrote:Yea JVG the guy who couldn't get out of the 1st round with a prime T-Mac and Yao. JVG is good but hes not the right fit for our team, hes in the Mike Brown mold where he has no creativity on offense

You talking about the same Rockets team that had T-Mac and Yao healthy for ONE year 04-05?

The same Rockets team whose 3rd best player was a 32 year old Juwan Howard?

The same Rockets team that was injury plagued and went to game 7 with Dallas that year?


That team had a 2-0 lead to begin the series IN DALLAS and still choked it away. 07 playoffs 3rd in the West, lost game 7 at home vs Utah. Like I said JVG is good but hes got some ways to go before being considered a championship coach Im sure he'll get there some day just not now and not with this team


Okay, I'll comment now...

So you're basing JVG's career on his final season...fair enough, what's your assessment on MDA's last season? And if this season doesn't count due to injuries and no training camp (I still can't believe people are using this as a valid excuse...but anyways), then how 'bout that final season in NY?

Okay, so now that we got that established, lets look at their collective resume....who edges who out again in terms of results in the postseason? At one point NY was even an 8 seed with an injured Ewing and made it to the Finals....hmm, a low seed with key injuries...for some reason that sounds vaguely familiar.

And speaking of Ewing...that guy that our organization wants to desperately make our future franchise player...yeah, he worked exclusively with Ewing in Orlando. Van Gundy with Ewing compared to Van Gundy with Yao....remind me which center Dwight compares more to...

JVG ain't no film cutting defensive gimmick. He's proven, he's gritty and he seems to handle the big market media scrutiny alot better than some others.

In fact the only things MDA and JVG have in common are their 3 initial references and their resignations in NY. But one thing to note, one of them at least finished out the season before stepping away.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Helljumper on Tue May 07, 2013 1:16 pm

There is no coach in the history of sports who'd be able to coach a team with a guard rotation of Morris/Goudelock/Duhon to the finals.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 1:19 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
So you're basing JVG's career on his final season...fair enough, what's your assessment on MDA's last season? And if this season doesn't count due to injuries and no training camp (I still can't believe people are using this as a valid excuse...but anyways), then how 'bout that final season in NY?


Completely different situations. Yao + Tmac were healthy. We only had Dwight who was getting healthier but nowhere 100% and a hobbled aging Pau Gasol to go to battle with in the playoffs? And look at the competition This Spurs team >>> 05 Dallas or 07 Utah those weren't championship caliber teams. JVG should've gotten better results

Who cares what circumstances he left NY in? It was a dead end. Lin wasn't returning. Melo/Amare not getting along. Its not exactly a promising situation. Should he have stuck it out? Yes but when players aren't listening its time to cut loses. Jerry Sloan in in his final year in Utah says hi

Okay, so now that we got that established, lets look at their collective resume....who edges who out again in terms of results in the postseason? At one point NY was even an 8 seed with an injured Ewing and made it to the Finals....hmm, a low seed with key injuries...for some reason that sounds vaguely familiar.


That was one exceptional team in a lockout shortended year that made it to the Finals you're acting like its a common occurence


And speaking of Ewing...that guy that our organization wants to desperately make our future franchise player...yeah, he worked exclusively with Ewing in Orlando. Van Gundy with Ewing compared to Van Gundy with Yao....remind me which center Dwight compares more to...

JVG ain't no film cutting defensive gimmick. He's proven, he's gritty and he seems to handle the big market media scrutiny alot better than some others.

In fact the only things MDA and JVG have in common are their 3 initial references and their resignations in NY. But one thing to note, one of them at least finished out the season before stepping away.


Like I said I like JVG, he's got defensive principles but lacks creativity on offense like Mike Brown. JVG has potential to get better. He may figure it all out. I'd rather see him succeed with another time before hiring him knowing theres some track record of improvement.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue May 07, 2013 1:26 pm

Helljumper wrote:There is no coach in the history of sports who'd be able to coach a team with a guard rotation of Morris/Goudelock/Duhon to the finals.


:man3: Where exactly did I say that?

Lets give that guard rotation to Thibs and see what he can do with it....maybe, just maybe, a bit more than what we saw 2 weeks ago. Some folks are satisfied that we made a postseason appearance...not this fan.

And I wouldn't even call it a cameo, cause those Lakers had no fight...none.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 07, 2013 1:28 pm

I like Van Gundy..... and since we will be building around a player that's much better defensively than offensively we need to maximize that side of the ball. Dwight needs a coach that can discipline his tendencies to roam and reinforce his fundamentals on that end of the floor. Since there is no coach alive that can teach Dwight a real post game it would seem best for all parties that our team move in a defensive direction rather than an offensive direction.

In all reality a coach isn't solving 99% of what we saw this year unless he's got a "Way-Back Machine".....
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby lakersin4 on Tue May 07, 2013 1:30 pm

Maybe we can pry Joerger away from Memphis :man9:
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 1:34 pm

What do you guys think of Deaven George as a possible candidate to replace MDA as coach? LMAO
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 07, 2013 1:36 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:What do you guys think of Deaven George as a possible candidate to replace MDA as coach? LMAO



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Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 1:38 pm

I was being sarcastic... jeez.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue May 07, 2013 1:43 pm

Rock: Initially, I posted no comment, cause I think what we're seeing is just too far apart. You keep highlighting offense and if we're targeting Dwight as the cornerstone of the franchise moving forward, I'm thinking you HAVE to look at the other side of the ball.

You refuse to do that, so our discussions will just keep going in circles. You keep instilling your faith in a guy that has nothing on his track record that says otherwise. You want offense, yet every NBA champion this decade has had defense rated in the upper echelon of the league.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby vaitimeri on Tue May 07, 2013 1:43 pm

Helljumper wrote:There is no coach in the history of sports who'd be able to coach a team with a guard rotation of Morris/Goudelock/Duhon to the finals.
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