Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

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Postby Vasashi17 on Tue May 07, 2013 1:50 pm

^^^Haha..alright, I concede...the Finals would have been tough....how about winning at least 1 game then?

How about leading more than 4 minutes total for the entire series.

How about an offensive genius doing better than netting an offensive rating that was only better than Milwaukee's in the postseason.

Injuries happen....and yet we're seeing teams being resilient. They may not make it to the Finals, but at least they're fighting to play for another day.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 1:52 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Rock: Initially, I posted no comment, cause I think what we're seeing is just too far apart. You keep highlighting offense and if we're targeting Dwight as the cornerstone of the franchise moving forward, I'm thinking you HAVE to look at the other side of the ball.

You refuse to do that, so our discussions will just keep going in circles. You keep instilling your faith in a guy that has nothing on his track record that says otherwise. You want offense, yet every NBA champion this decade has had defense rated in the upper echelon of the league.


Every team remaining has plenty of two way players or young talented offensive players who can make up for lack of Defense. We dont. Easier to preach defense to guys who have capability to be reliable on both ends. We dont have many

ANd as for not even putting up a fight in the postseason that shows you the value of Kobe. Its not just what he can do on the court but his presence alone creates opportunities for guys on the court AND given them confidence to compete. These guys were mentally shaken from the tipoff off the playoffs. The mounting injuries didn't help either.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 1:55 pm

People keep talking about injuries being part of the reason for this season's failure... but I can name you almost 40-50 games in which the Lakers did not play with heart.... this team was doomed from the beginning injuries or no injuries... no Identity... or anything... which means the coach should get the blame.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue May 07, 2013 2:01 pm

Rock, I honestly have no idea what you're even trying to say now.

Seems like there are plenty of 2 way players to go around....and woe are we to not have any...

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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 07, 2013 2:07 pm

Not only that, there were at least 10 games we were leading in the 4th, and lost by a few points. If we had won those 10, or even 8....we're looking at a 3/4 seed. And guess where a lot of those games were lost? On defense....partially due to turnovers and transition offense for the opponents. Yet we continue to have a haphazard offensive scheme with poor off ball movement, little number of pick and rolls, and emphasize a high number of possessions?

So whose job is it to to say "ok, we absolutely BLOW in transition defense, how can we minimize those opportunities for opponents"? I would think an "offensive genius" would know a thing or two....
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby borri on Tue May 07, 2013 2:18 pm

Oh well looks like at least another year with Antoni..........our only savior now is for D12 to do what he needs to do. :man1: :man9:
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 07, 2013 2:21 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:I was being sarcastic... jeez.


You may or may not be new here..... but you just pushed a Mod's button....
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 2:31 pm

I can't even joke around during this slow boring off-season with no actual Lakers news? why would the mods care if I'm just joking around?

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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Doc Brown on Tue May 07, 2013 2:44 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:I can't even joke around during this slow boring off-season with no actual Lakers news? why would the mods care if I'm just joking around?

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Why does Devean George's name of all people get brought up? You've been here longer than C0TT0NCANDY has. :man12:
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 3:24 pm

John Ireland said Alvin Gentry will be an Assistant coach for the Lakers. Eh I dont know about this
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue May 07, 2013 3:41 pm

The Rock wrote:John Ireland said Alvin Gentry will be an Assistant coach for the Lakers. Eh I dont know about this


This keeps getting better and better :nono2:

Real talk though, I'm happy for Alvin Gentry. He may not be what we need but he's a cool guy
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby OX1947 on Tue May 07, 2013 3:52 pm

The Rock wrote:John Ireland said Alvin Gentry will be an Assistant coach for the Lakers. Eh I dont know about this


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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby 432J on Tue May 07, 2013 4:33 pm

there's no way the FO will hire JVG, solely because he's considered a "defensive coach"

mike brown was also a "defensive coach" and we all saw how that went. JVG has always been a coach who's teams will go as far as their talent takes them. he took some pretty decent knicks teams deep into the playoffs and his rockets teams with t-mac and yao always seemed to choke. adelman was the one who took them all the way to a game 7 against us in 09

and if the rumour that gentry will be an asst is true, i like it alot. he isn't great but a definite upgrade over bernie and chuck person
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 6:01 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Why does Devean George's name of all people get brought up? You've been here longer than C0TT0NCANDY has.


Because it was a joke, O_O
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby JSM on Tue May 07, 2013 6:17 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:What do you guys think of Deaven George as a possible candidate to replace MDA as coach? LMAO


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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed May 08, 2013 1:10 am

lol saw that coming ^
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby JSM on Thu May 09, 2013 8:56 pm

Looks like we're about to lose another...

Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:The Cleveland Cavaliers recently asked and received permission from the Lakers to talk with player development coach Phil Handy about possibly joining Mike Brown’s coaching staff, said Lakers spokesman John Black.

Brown hired Handy as his player development coach in the 2011-12 season, his first season as the Lakers’ head coach. Since then, Handy has developed a strong reputation among the Lakers’ players for both his engaging on-court workouts and infinite willingness to work with them at all hours of the day.

When the Lakers fired Brown last season following a 1-4 start, Mike D’Antoni still kept the coaching staff intact and added his brother, Dan, to the staff. That included Handy, whose duties entail working players out before games and after practices through various individual shooting and ball handling drills. Handy also worked closely with players in individual workouts as they progressed from various injuries.

The Lakers’ coaching staff has remained in flux in recent weeks. Eddie Jordan took the Rutgers’ head-coaching job just before the NBA playoffs began. D’Antoni informed both Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff Monday that they won’t return for the 2013-14 season. Steve Clifford also plans to interview soon with the Charlotte Bobcats for their vacant head-coaching position.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 09, 2013 11:49 pm

So by my count its just going to be MDA, his brother Dan, and Alvin Gentry next year??

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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby therealdeal on Fri May 10, 2013 11:03 am

I'd like to retain Handy.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby The Rock on Fri May 10, 2013 12:00 pm

Hmmm

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lakers-according-report-once-saved-warriors-hiring-mike-184125343.html

Actually, it was more up to the father than the son, with Jerry still in charge in those years. Jim didn’t officially take over until 2011—after the Warriors added West–taking the lead role in the hiring of Mike Brown.

Jerry Buss’s legacy is so sterling, it’s hardly an attack to note that he didn’t get them all right. Nevertheless, Jim didn’t appoint himself. Jerry did that. Jerry may have thought that having West around, even in a merely advisory capacity, would crowd Jim out. Or it may not have occurred to Jerry at all.

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When Jim Buss fell for Brown in their sitdown at the pre-draft camp in Minneapolis, the Lakers knew he was West’s pick to fill the Warriors’ vacancy. That was why they slammed the deal home so quickly, and why the price got to $4.5 million a year, more than they’re paying Mike D’Antoni.

Unfortunately for the Lakers, Brown was either a victim of circumstances, or proof that West doesn’t get them all right, either.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Chillbongo on Fri May 10, 2013 12:04 pm

We could have had Mark Jackson? :bang:
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby The Rock on Fri May 10, 2013 12:06 pm

No Lol Jerry West wanted Mike Brown & we got him because we outbid for him. Means Jerry makes his fair share of mistakes too
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby therealdeal on Fri May 10, 2013 1:33 pm

Chillbongo wrote:We could have had Mark Jackson? :bang:

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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby lotus on Fri May 10, 2013 1:34 pm

The Rock wrote:Hmmm

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lakers-according-report-once-saved-warriors-hiring-mike-184125343.html

Actually, it was more up to the father than the son, with Jerry still in charge in those years. Jim didn’t officially take over until 2011—after the Warriors added West–taking the lead role in the hiring of Mike Brown.

Jerry Buss’s legacy is so sterling, it’s hardly an attack to note that he didn’t get them all right. Nevertheless, Jim didn’t appoint himself. Jerry did that. Jerry may have thought that having West around, even in a merely advisory capacity, would crowd Jim out. Or it may not have occurred to Jerry at all.

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When Jim Buss fell for Brown in their sitdown at the pre-draft camp in Minneapolis, the Lakers knew he was West’s pick to fill the Warriors’ vacancy. That was why they slammed the deal home so quickly, and why the price got to $4.5 million a year, more than they’re paying Mike D’Antoni.Unfortunately for the Lakers, Brown was either a victim of circumstances, or proof that West doesn’t get them all right, either.

The descriptions of that encounter always sounded strange to me. I don't know that I've ever heard that type of enthusiasm expressed at that level for hiring a coach that no one was thinking about. Of course we learn later that Jerry West was, but still.
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Re: Chuck Person and Bernie Bickerstaff wont be retained

Postby Weezy on Fri May 10, 2013 4:26 pm

I don't know if I buy that, I'd have an easier time believing that Jerry West was playing games and conned the Lakers into swooping in and taking Brown than that he actually wanted him.
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