Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby TheOp on Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:55 pm

I dont see why not he plays great defense.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby SK8 on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:04 pm

Oh come on man, no way.
J-Hill is amazing player, i bet every team in NBA would like to have him, i see Jordan as "garbage man", no disrespect, i mean that in good way, he will be out there going after every ball with 110% of his energy, very much like Faried from Denver, he is definitely not that bouncy, but Jordan have nice size, but he is nothing more than great backup center that you want on your team, and he will be 27 soon, so it's not like he can improve a lot more.
He just can't play heavy minutes, so he will give you about 20-25 quality minutes, and he will do the job.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby XXIV on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:05 pm

For me a franchise player needs to be able to carry the team offensively. They need to be a viable go to option, even during the clutch. Hill is a great complementary piece but he's not a franchise center.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:06 pm

Ten bucks says he's not even a Laker in 2 months.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby laakers on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:16 pm

Are you presuming he plays alongside Pau next year?
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby TheOp on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:24 pm

XXIV wrote:For me a franchise player needs to be able to carry the team offensively. They need to be a viable go to option, even during the clutch. Hill is a great complementary piece but he's not a franchise center.


What I mean by franchise center is he can be stable at the center position for us and we could contend for a championship with him. Hes by no means able to carry a team offensively but hes showed a lot of improvement in that part of his game.

We would obviously need other pieces to contend but you need defense and an anchor at the center position and he provides that.

Side note, if you are looking for a franchise center with great offensive skills, there are none. There wont be any of those for at least the next 5 years. The only one who resembles that was Dwight, and even he sucks offensively.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:47 pm

Hill has not shown he can stay healthy (one season of relative health doesn't count), nor has he shown he can even play 35 minutes a game. The way he plays, he can't stay in the game for more than 20 minutes without killing himself. He is a great bench player, but a franchise center? Maybe if the rest of the starting five was Lebron, Love, Durant and Irving. Then it wouldn't matter that he plays 50 games a season for 25 minutes a game.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:52 pm

Have you watched the last 3 games? Apparantly not because Hill hasn't played at all and only a few minutes prior to the last two games. MDA isn't going to be fired and there is not a chance IMO that either Hill or Kaman come back next year.

Normally this year a certain player whether its Hill, Kaman, Kelly, or any of our wings might not play for a few games and then be back into the rotation, but MDA has made it known that there is a great chance that we stick with this small ball lineup of Wesley at the 4 for the rest of the year.

I like Hill a lot and what he brings, I just see the writing on the wall in the fact that he's won't play that much the rest of this year and definitely won't be back
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby XXIV on Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:42 pm

TheOp wrote:
XXIV wrote:For me a franchise player needs to be able to carry the team offensively. They need to be a viable go to option, even during the clutch. Hill is a great complementary piece but he's not a franchise center.


What I mean by franchise center is he can be stable at the center position for us and we could contend for a championship with him. Hes by no means able to carry a team offensively but hes showed a lot of improvement in that part of his game.

We would obviously need other pieces to contend but you need defense and an anchor at the center position and he provides that.

Side note, if you are looking for a franchise center with great offensive skills, there are none. There wont be any of those for at least the next 5 years. The only one who resembles that was Dwight, and even he sucks offensively.


We seem to have different definitions for what being a franchise player means and that's where the difference in opinion comes in.

I view Hill has really good energy big on a contending team. He can be the starting C, potentially on a contender, but you would need to have at least one other franchise player to make it work along with being strong at the other positions.

I agree that he has improved his offensive game since we got him, but it's still not enough to where I'd be confident in going to him down the stretch of a game. His defense is good, but again it's not on par with some other centers. I believe that defensive success comes from a team effort and not just one player. Just look at the defense when Dwight was in Orlando and again when he was with us and now Houston.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:47 pm

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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby trodgers on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:07 pm

He won't be with LA if MDA is here (so likely he won't be here).

I LIKE Jordan Hill.
He's young. He plays hard. He defends well. He scores efficiently because he knows his role. He's been a better decision-maker with the ball this year, too. But while I think that he's ideally suited for a 20-28 MPG role (which can be starting and finishing games; he's good in the crunch), I think he's best paired with an athletic body at the five or a Kevin Love-type player at the four, not being asked to carry the load at all offensively, just working the glass, setting screens, and hitting his jumpers.

That's a good piece on almost any team in the league, but it's not a franchise player. Not by a long shot.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby West's Formula 44 on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:30 pm

XXIV wrote:For me a franchise player needs to be able to carry the team offensively. They need to be a viable go to option, even during the clutch. Hill is a great complementary piece but he's not a franchise center.


Then we would need another Pau Gasol type player to be in playoff contention next year when Kobe is back at full strength. Bryant has worked with strong willed centers before and there was friction. Phil Jackson was able to mitigate a lot of it when he was coach. Obviously Jim Buss isn't going to hire Jackson. Which centers are available and at what price?
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:33 pm

I like Jordan a lot. But that said, I don't think he'll be here next year. He can't even get any playing time now as it is with D' Antoni and has always been in his doghouse. I'd love it if Antoni were canned and Hill retained. But I doubt it happens.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:35 pm

He sadly won't be here next year, which sucks. :man5:

He's definitely not a franchise center, but I'd like to think he would be a solid reserve/spot starter for a contender.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:49 pm

To be a franchise center first he needs to be a defensive anchor - and that he is not.

Everything else he provides is fantastic. It's stupid that MDA refuses to play him. I've seen us lose games this year (recently at NO) because we couldn't get key defensive boards. Hill gets boards.

There's a spot for him on this roster. But one more year of our clown coach will inhibit the ability to secure this guy for the next few years. Ridiculous.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby John3:16 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:06 am

Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Hill.

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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Alleyhoops on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:24 am

It's only March 6th but the Op got a jump on an April Fools thread.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Weezy on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:33 am

No, in my opinion. I like Hill a lot, but he is not a defensive anchor, and he's limited offensively. He plays decent man D, and he blocks some shots, but I'd never call him a defensive center, except if you count rebounds as a big part of defense. What I DO think he could be, is a good role player PF on a very talented team. If you have the right talent, multiple true stars, he count certainly be your AC Green of 2000, Horace Grant of 2001, and better than your Samaki Walker of 2002. On a lesser talented team trying to win a title, where talent needs to be spread around more in the starting lineup, he's IMO a bench player, and one of the most solid you'll have.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:37 am

Yep, a good backup on a playoff team. But we're in serious need of an upgrade at starting pf / center. I really hope that no-D-Pau flies a kite next year.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:18 am

Hill isn't in Lakers plans going forward so I don't even know why this "fantasy" thread was created ..
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby gcclaker on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:03 am

What Roo said... Seriously, HIll is a solid, effort player who won't negatively affect the game when he's in there.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:06 am

gcclaker wrote:What Roo said... Seriously, HIll is a solid, effort player who won't negatively affect the game when he's in there.


I like Hill but he's not a "franchise" anything. He's a high energy short duration player that every good team needs to have but he's not a difference maker IMHO. I'd love to keep the guy but the odds of that are pretty thin I'm afraid.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:13 am

John3:16 wrote:Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Hill.

:bang: :bang: :bang:


Dude! Where's Dwight in that list? Epic times with him. Epic.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby abeer3 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:42 am

if that franchise is the Dfenders, then yes.
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Re: Could Jordan Hill be the next franchise center?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:49 am

abeer3 wrote:if that franchise is the Dfenders, then yes.

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