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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:10 pm

Im old too. :)

I see both sides of the coin. I don't mind the all in for LA and the PR push for Dwight. It is true we are the Lakers and that has a status with it. The problem is today's player represents today's fans which mean it is a "what have you done for me lately" society. At the present the best player for the Lakers to pick up is Dwight. He has earned a lot of redicule and distrust from fans after the Magic fiasco for sure but that being said we are doing what we should. The Lakers can't sit back and say "we the Lakers punk come to us" just like that can't overreact and "sell the farm" either.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:10 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
therealdeal wrote:JSJ- I guess we're the only ones?...

:man10:

I just don't see anything wrong with a marketing campaign. Is it that big of a deal to show a guy we care about him?


Agreed.

Maybe it's my age (I'm 29), but I just can't get on board with the general arrogance some Lakers fans seem to have regarding the whole "everyone should sign here because we're the Lakers" attitude. That's a "rest of your laurels" attitude and I don't get it. When Kobe demanded a trade, it was Dr. Buss flying halfway around the world to meet with him to try and calm him down instead of saying "Screw him, he should be stoked he's a Laker!" Sometimes it takes "kissing the ring" so to speak.

The reason I reference my age is because I was old enough to start watching and getting passionate about the Lakers really right after Magic retired and we had a hard working blue collar type of team during the early-to-mid 90's that I knew wasn't going to win or even contend for a title. After not seeing anything resembling a title contender for my first nearly-10 years of watching this team, I feel like I appreciate the HELL out of even being a contender for the title and recognize how fleeting those seasons really are. The post-Shaq "Kobe and his merry band of stiffs" teams reinforced how terrible having little-to-no hope of contending for a ring felt.



I've got 20 years on you and I too can't understand it. The fans of the last 15 years have known nothing but contention.

I find you comments about the 90's teams puzzling. Those teams played their heart out and they were 9 or 10 deep as well. They were fun to watch in a lot of ways. I actually miss the fact that there was a sense of "parity" on those teams. We didn't win until we got Kobe and Phil but those teams were a blast to watch.

Maybe it's my age (49.75) but I can't stand watching the ownership group grovel for a player that isn't transcendent.... we didn't do it for Kobe and I can't see why we are doing it now. If we get him to stay BECAUSE of that what happens the first time he clanks two at the line late in a game and he gets booed?

I just don't see much in him besides highlights and stats.....
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Weezy on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:10 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
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Weezy wrote:Oh no real, I think the begging...er marketing campaign is great, check my new avatar, I'm joining the movement, #STAYD12. It's just a shame we didn't do this with Kobe, might have helped him make his choice sooner in 2004, can't believe what swayed him ultimately was Dr. Buss promising him he'd do whatever it takes to win, you know, basketball reasons to stay, crazy I know, can't believe that worked.

No need to be sarcastic just because we have different opinions. I was serious. It seems like me and JSJ are the the only ones who don't have a problem with this.


Whoa, hey guys, c'mon...Let's turn some frowns the opposite way...upside-down, if you will...

C'moooonnnnnnn...


:man10: I'm not frowning, upset, or mad at all, I thought my sarcasm would be taken lightly, I wasn't trying to tick anyone off.

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Weezy wrote:Oh no real, I think the begging...er marketing campaign is great, check my new avatar...


RIP, Sam avatar. :man6:


It may come back in time, my next one was going to be an Andrew Largeman pic of him in that stupid shirt with the same pattern as the background, so consider the Mitch avatar as easier to look at than Zach Braff's mug.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:13 pm

They need to make a personnel, roster, coaching or both statement if they really want to woo him into staying.
New Jersey - Joe Johnson
Clips - Doc Rivers
Houston - James Harden
Lakers - Billboards and celebrity round table

The Lakers FO needs to get rid of the trash (MWP/Pau/Blake) on the team and show d12 that they are committed to winning NOW with him. This team right now is not a winner, D12 isn't stupid enough to believe it is either.

And the roster moves isn't just for the sake of keeping D12, it's what needs to be done regardless. No sense treading water, when you just plan on drowning anyway.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby gcclaker on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:25 pm

All my Laker fandom I have never seen a player being wooed to stay. I do vaguely recall the tension when Johnson demanded a trade then the resulting firestorm he brought on himself. 24's similar action wasn't even in the same ballpark. The BIG difference in both instances was The Patriarch was here to do the convincing. These are the times when I really miss him. Now? Well...who's the go to guy? If it was Jackson as part of management, there would be some re-assurance there.

As far as Howard? It's...uuummm...not the norm for what the franchise normally does but I suppose there's a first time for everything, no? Should he re-up, I do think that they will build around Howard with him as the face of the team for better or for worse. This campaign doesn't annoy me at all BUT if they decide to go overboard then it probably will.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:27 pm

wish Jerry was here to talk to Dwight for 5 mins....he'd stay after that conversation. :man6:
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:32 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:#reeksdesperation :man10:


I'm sorry, but I just don't agree at all. By that rationale, it'd be "desperate" to tell your wife you love her. Showing someone that you value them isn't desperation in my book.

Also, it's not exactly an over-the-top gesture to put a few signs up around town. Not like Mitch, Jim & Mike are going on TV on their hands & knees begging. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. Stroking the giant ego isn't a terrible thing when dealing with some of these guys.

Thank You. I 've been saying and thinking the same way about the billboards. Do I wish we didn't have to do them?? Yes, but in putting up the billboards we aren't desperate its just that we're in different times now and we have to market our players this way.

I mean heck, we did a similar thing when we wanted Shaq to resign.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:42 pm

Doc Brown wrote:They need to make a personnel, roster, coaching or both statement if they really want to woo him into staying.
New Jersey - Joe Johnson
Clips - Doc Rivers
Houston - James Harden
Lakers - Billboards and celebrity round table

The Lakers FO needs to get rid of the trash (MWP/Pau/Blake) on the team and show d12 that they are committed to winning NOW with him. This team right now is not a winner, D12 isn't stupid enough to believe it is either.

And the roster moves isn't just for the sake of keeping D12, it's what needs to be done regardless. No sense treading water, when you just plan on drowning anyway.



I hear by tomorrow we will have some Key Chains and Ball Point Pens ready to go...... so this thing is in the bag....
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:45 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Dwight at UCLA

http://instagram.com/p/bHGaNbKix5/

Thank you for posting this, as I was about to post it again.

I just want to quote what Dwight said a couple of weeks ago:

"Don't believe everything you hear in the media or read online"
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:54 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:Dwight at UCLA

http://instagram.com/p/bHGaNbKix5/

Thank you for posting this, as I was about to post it again.

I just want to quote what Dwight said a couple of weeks ago:

"Don't believe everything you hear in the media or read online"


You mean like that quote?...... :man12:

Dwight's got a history of yappin' about teammates, coaches, fans etc... too late for him to retract what he did in Orlando and to think that it's 100% wrong here is ignoring history IMO.

Let's put it this way. IF he wanted to stay here and trusted our ownership to do the right thing he'd tell us on Monday, make it public and let the front office get on with building the team. To wait until the 10th is to put himself above the front office pushing for a coach to be fired..... again. Mitch might be next. Howard's pushed for GM's to go before as well.

If you review it critically he wants to dictate his terms and is holding us hostage in the process. If it were me I'd make him commit to us on the 1st so we can deal with it either way.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:47 pm

AND COUNTING...
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby unpossibl1 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:47 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Image


Wow, going all out!
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby MadMax on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:49 pm

wow...
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby borri on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:54 pm

July 10th can't come soon enough. So tired is this D12 crap.

1000+ page thread for a guy who might wear P&G for one stinking year.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Legendary on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:55 pm



I could see Mitch, Jimmy, John Black, and MWP doing a cover of this...
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:04 pm

if i were Dwight i would be pretty impressed with the billboards. i honestly dont find it "begging." i think its perfect for Dwight...its exactly the kind of thing that is important to him. he loves the spotlight and loves attention, as many have said, and i think this will get his attention. his face is on huge billboards ON staples center, at sunset, at hollywood, and now his jersey ON the entire famous beverly hills hotel...plastered all over twitter and the internet getting a ton of publicity. idk what more he would want for a team hes not even on anymore. whats next?

Dantoni's system is now changed to play inside out. hes on board. pau is. kobe is. dwight liked it towards the end of the season. so i really dont believe what all the media is saying....i dont know what his reason for leaving could be except:
1. he cant handle the spotlight and pressure that comes with winning championships and playing for the lakers. 2. he wants to have fun with young guys over winning championships.
3. he just doesnt like dantoni as a coach (not bc of system but bc of person) or kobe as a player.
4. hes crazy
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Plot on Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:05 pm

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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby KobeSystemtwofour on Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:20 pm

^^ Exactly..Post above me is on point..

Anyways..why hang up Billboards and pictures? when you know what you have to do? Fire MDA...Hire Phil Jackson.. All the Billboards in the world wont keep Dwight here if Pringles is still coach..at least that's what I think.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby noobiew on Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Damn I have no idea what the Lakers are thinking right now, losing our future franchise superstar will hurts the Lakers organization a hell lot of more than firing a coach. Mike D'Antoni are easily replaceable, but Dwight talents is not.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:01 pm

Looks like this is Jeanie Buss' idea, she's the VP of marketing. Even if Phil comes back who would he put as coach now that Shaw is taken, Rambis?
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:04 pm

D.B. Cooper wrote:Looks like this is Jeanie Buss' idea, she's the VP of marketing. Even if Phil comes back who would he put as coach now that Shaw is taken, Rambis?

If you're referring to the billboard on the Beverly Hills Hotel, it's actually Howard's jersey. The Phil picture is photoshopped.

But if Phil WERE to get instituted, then yes, I'd assume he went with Rambis. Rambis is known to be more defensive oriented and he runs the Triangle as best he can. He's not a great coach, but with Phil upstairs he would probably be alright.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:12 pm

Everyone say it together: Phil Jackson DOES NOT want to coach. We can fire MDA but Phil isn't coming back.... Chris Brousard said so :man1:
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:24 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:
“@mcten: I'm told the Dwight billboards are just the tip of the iceberg in the Lakers campaign to woo him. They'll lean on Hollywood connections”

:man10: very nice.

I'm guessing commercials and things like that. I like it actually. I hope we see some celebs in commercials telling Dwight to stay. Flex the Hollywood muscle that everyone KNOWS he wants.

The Lakers know what they're doing with this one.


Maybe they're talking about Hollywood types promising commercials for Dwight to star in? In Los Angeles, not Texas.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Plot on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:57 pm

therealdeal wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:Looks like this is Jeanie Buss' idea, she's the VP of marketing. Even if Phil comes back who would he put as coach now that Shaw is taken, Rambis?

If you're referring to the billboard on the Beverly Hills Hotel, it's actually Howard's jersey. The Phil picture is photoshopped.

But if Phil WERE to get instituted, then yes, I'd assume he went with Rambis. Rambis is known to be more defensive oriented and he runs the Triangle as best he can. He's not a great coach, but with Phil upstairs he would probably be alright.

Alternatively Fisher pulling a Jason Kidd. That would be entertaining.
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Re: D12 Discussion: unlikely to re-sign w/ LA - Broussard (1029)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:58 pm

i would love Fisher as an assistant coach for the lakers. he could get his 6th ring that way.
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