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D12’s father calls for son to have sitdown with KB&MDA

Postby KB24 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:46 pm

OK this is now the official Kobe vs. D12 thread lol...

Its one thing to say the media hypes it up...its another when you read the quotes because there is no question something is boiling in that locker room. Kobe could easily be a little "nicer" in his comments to calm the media down. Instead all he says is "don't make it a big deal, what I said is what I said"....

I'm officially blaming both parties but mainly Bryant here. As the soon to be 35 year old leader of this ballclub its his responsibility to air this things out at some point. Its taking away from the teams focus and is detrimental to our playoff hopes. You see that D12 is sensitive (read crybaby), stop adding fuel to the fire for godessake. Even if you lie, its your job to extinguish the story with a few supportive comments.

MIAMI — The Lakers have talked plenty about what ails them this season. Rarely, have they actually corrected them.

But with Dwight Howard facing endless scrutiny regarding his injured right shoulder and how he fits in with the Lakers, his father, Dwight Howard Sr., told the Atlanta Journal Constitution he needs to have a sitdown with Kobe Bryant and coach Mike D’Antoni to hash things over for the sake of the team. After all, Bryant has received plenty of attention for comments attributed to him in an ESPN.com report this week suggesting Howard needed to return quickly and play in pain even if his shoulder isn’t fully healed. Although he denies it, D’Antoni also indirectly has suggested the same thing.

But the involved parties don’t have any interest on the idea. Instead, the Lakers (24-27) say they’re strictly focused on Sunday’s game against the Miami Heat (33-14) at American Airlines Arena.

“Honestly, I’m done talking about it,” Bryant said. “There’s nothing to talk about it. There’s nothing to discuss. It’s silly.”

D’Antoni wasn’t necessarily opposed to it. He just believes the Lakers have already gone down that path, including having an air-it-out meeting two weeks ago against Memphis. Part of that meeting involved Bryant confronting Howard about his frustration surrounding his offensive role.

“That’s cool,” D’Antoni said. “He’s his father. He should defend his son. But I thought we had that in Memphis. We’re good.”

Howard also had little interest in adding to the storyline.

“I don’t want to get into it,” Howard said. “My dad is a grown man. That’s how he feels. We’ll leave it at that.”

Howard offered a similar comment on his dad’s assertion that he will re-sign this summer with the Lakers.

Whether Howard Sr’s comments reflects his son’s level of thinking remains to be seen. The ACJ article quotes his father as saying his son has talked to him frequently about this season and his frustrations. Howard conceded they talk everyday but nothing about basketball.

“That’s what’s he’s supposed to do, support his kid, right” Howard said of his father’s comments. “He’s going to do the best at that.”

In recent days, Howard has strongly defended himself for sitting out two games last week because of his aggravated labrum in his right shoulder. Howard also bristled at Bryant’s comments attributed to him that suggested he needed to return even with an unhealthy shoulder, quotes Bryant maintains were blown out of proportion.

“It’s really not that big of a deal,” Bryant said. “In Boston, they made something out of nothing. There wasn’t anything I said that was out of the ordinary or nothing I said before talking to him. They made a really big deal out of something that is really nothing.”

Instead, Bryant said [about Howard's reduced role on the Lakers]:

“He’s doing the best he can,” Bryant said of Howard. “Obviously he’s limited in what he can do for us as opposed to what he was doing when he was in Orlando but he’s still giving it a good effort.”

Part of that effort involves getting past the he said-he said drama that forever encapsulates the Lakers.

“It’s people who try to harbor and hang onto stuff all the time,” Bryant said of the dynamic between him and Howard. “He just has to do his job, go out and defend. We do our jobs too and do what we need to do to help us win. It’s not rocket science.”


If it was just media hype, Kobe could have easily debunked it with a "we're on the same page" quote. But instead he is offering nothing but "thats silly, move on"...and quite honestly...I'm 100% sure its affecting the play of the Lakers which is unacceptable and shows that MDA cannot manage these admittedly gigantic ego's in the locker room.


Here are some other quotes from Dwight Howard Sr.:

* "The problem is the coach. (D’Antoni) needs to step in and say, ‘You guys have got to be quiet. We’re trying to secure something here. Dwight is probably looking at the coach, thinking, ‘What are you going to do?’ I promise, if that had been Stan Van Gundy, that wouldn’t have happened. (Howard) wouldn’t have been admonished publicly. I think the coach has a lot to do with who controls Kobe’s mouth right now."

* "I told him before he said it publicly, ‘It’s your career. No person can say what you need to do or not do. You can’t worry about what Kobe or anybody else says,’” the elder Howard said. “Nobody can say what Kobe said -- that’s stepping into another man’s shoes. I understand what Kobe was trying to do, but he went about it the wrong way. He’s trying to win a championship. But Dwight has to tell Kobe, ‘I appreciate your opinion, but that doesn’t matter. We’re two men on this team. We need to be reasonable about this."

* "When he spoke up, he asked me what I thought, and I told him I applaud him for standing up for himself. But I still think he needs to have a sit down with the coach and Kobe."

* "L.A. has been like humble pie for him. When you go from being the man in one city (Orlando) to second or third tier, it takes a toll on you mentally."

Dwight Sr. told Schultz he still thinks his son will re-sign with the Lakers this offseason.


Howard Sr. is right even though he is saying it a little less PC than he should.

But this s*** needs to end...however that happens.
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Re: D12’s father calls for son to have sitdown with KB&MDA

Postby Ice-Fire on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:48 pm

Did Shaq's father ever call for his son to sit down with Kobe when things were boiling over?
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:00 pm

Originally, you had the Jackie McMullan story in Boston where the general message is, "we need to play with urgency." That was considered by many for Kobe to be issuing a challenge to Dwight to manage his injury & play through the pain. After than article came out, Nash had the same sentiment saying, "I believe everybody in this league has to play through pain."

The drama ensues with Dwight & Kobe all over Sportscenter. Dwight says, "that's Kobe's opinion, he's not a doctor, & I'm not a doctor." Kobe then comes back out and says that he his comments were misconstrued and taken out of context. Fast forward to the pre-game of Boston and Kobe sends Dwight a text stating something to the effect that his comments were taken out of context and asking Dwight if they're still good.

The team lays an egg in Boston. After the game, MDA comes out saying Dwight has been medically cleared. Dwight says he hasn't. I lay all this out to prove a point. Kobe started all of this speaking with Jackie Mcmullan. The team just got off a great win in Brooklyn, and you've won 3 straight. Why would you take the chance of saying something like this and then go back and retract your comments?

We all know how Dwight is & how sensitive he can be. I'm not asking Kobe to hold his tongue; what I'm asking for is the leader of the team to speak directly with Dwight about this situation rather then the media because they sensationalize, embellish, and take things out of context. Kobe should know this already.

However, now that's all said & done. If Dwight can stop talking about his shoulder & Kobe can talk to Dwight face-to-face, that's great. The focus should be on winning basketball games & making the PO's. It shouldn't be on other things...
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Re: D12’s father calls for son to have sitdown with KB&MDA

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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:57 pm

Uh-oh.... Now we're in colorful poop..... Dwight told his daddy on us...... :man10:
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:01 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Uh-oh.... Now we're in colorful poop..... Dwight told his daddy on us...... :man10:


Kobe had a sleepover for team chemistry and Dwight's dad didn't let him sleep over. That's how this whole mess started.
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Postby Juronimo on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:05 pm

bnr034 wrote:Image


For real....
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Postby King of Clutch on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:07 pm

Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash reemphasize playing for each other after the Charlotte win.
The Lakers averted a spirit-crushing loss Friday Charlotte by coming together late in the third quarter, then carrying that same energy and purpose into the final frame. Before then, players were listlessly and clearly operating off dissimilar pages (if not different books altogether). Unity prevented disaster and afterward, Kobe Bryant stressed the need to put all individual agendas to the side.

Per Dave McMenamin, ESPNLA.com:

"I think everybody wants to do well, everybody wants to play well. Individually, [we] want to try to do the right thing, but sometimes what you want to do as an individual conflicts with what we want to do as a group," Bryant said. "You just got to let that go, just let it go and just play. You take criticisms; if we lose the game, then everybody points the finger at me for not shooting the ball, and that's fine. As long as I'm confident that I make the right play to help us as a team, that's the most important thing, and I think we all need to follow that example and play for each other."

Those sentiments were echoed by Steve Nash.
Per McMenamin:

"We can't play five different styles," said Steve Nash, who has acquiesced some ballhandling duties and assumed more shooting responsibilities in the changeover. "We can't play my style, Kobe's style, [Metta World Peace's] style, Dwight's style, [Pau Gasol's] style. We have to find a way to work together. I think that's the key. Everyone has got to try to make this transition and give to the team what they can and not worry about what they're not giving."

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This was directed at howard.I noticed kobe's irritated look after last nights game when he was talking about how the team can't play for individual stats. And how we must play together, and just play to win. I think howard may have demanded more touches again.
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Postby Maluco Beleza on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:09 pm

Why would Kobe even talk to her? isn't she pro Boston? of course she is and would love to stir sh*t
with the lakers. and Kobe fell for it...
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:19 pm

Maluco Beleza wrote:Why would Kobe even talk to her? isn't she pro Boston? of course she is and would love to stir sh*t
with the lakers. and Kobe fell for it...


It's gotten so bad, it doesn't even have to be a game and you are going after Kobe.

I should wait 5 minutes and see if your opinion changes on this like in the games.

Why are you talking to Jackie Mac?.................Kobe you need to talk to Jackie Mac, what is wrong with you.
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Postby hollywood swinger on Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:04 pm

you can tell it's not just a kobe vs. Dwight thing it is a team vs Dwight thing. Nash & clark in certain interviews are seeming saying dwight is pouting by not giving his all.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:07 pm

“Honestly, I’m done talking about it,” Bryant said. “There’s nothing to talk about it. There’s nothing to discuss. It’s silly.”
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Postby borri on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:09 pm

Let's see:

Nash stopped being ball dominant and PnR teams to death.
Kobe stopped shooting and being more of the initiator.
MDA acquiesed and slowed the game down and move more towards a combo of Nash + Kobe initiator.

Problems:

MWP - still gunning and stopping the offense.
D12 - has been unwilling to be just the defensive anchor and foregoing post touches.

That's how I see it.

Results: We've lost 2 games since the switch. Jamison has found his game again. Earl is thriving. What D12 wants is just something we can't have. We just don't have the roster to suit what he wants. Period. End of story.
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Postby abeer3 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:49 pm

the meeting doesn't need to include dantoni, imo.

it should be kobe, dwight, and ownership/mitch. they should make it clear that a) this is kobe's team right now and b) this will be dwight's team very soon.

come 2014, the entire roster will be built to dwight's strengths. for the season and a half until then, he's got to be a good soldier. and kobe has to cut him some slack.
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:58 pm

abeer3 wrote:the meeting doesn't need to include dantoni, imo.

it should be kobe, dwight, and ownership/mitch. they should make it clear that a) this is kobe's team right now and b) this will be dwight's team very soon.

come 2014, the entire roster will be built to dwight's strengths. for the season and a half until then, he's got to be a good soldier. and kobe has to cut him some slack.

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Postby Murdock on Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:13 pm

Gosh this is getting ridiculous :D
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Postby Chillbongo on Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:50 pm

borri wrote:Let's see:

Nash stopped being ball dominant and PnR teams to death.
Kobe stopped shooting and being more of the initiator.
MDA acquiesed and slowed the game down and move more towards a combo of Nash + Kobe initiator.

Problems:

MWP - still gunning and stopping the offense.
D12 - has been unwilling to be just the defensive anchor and foregoing post touches.

That's how I see it.

Results: We've lost 2 games since the switch. Jamison has found his game again. Earl is thriving. What D12 wants is just something we can't have. We just don't have the roster to suit what he wants. Period. End of story.


Sounds about right. Except D12 is now complaining about teammate support.

Go figure. I think someone else on CL mentioned it, he's playing for his future contract more
then anything. While everyone else is playing for winning now.
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Postby SK8 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:37 pm

Murdock wrote:Gosh this is getting ridiculous :D


Seriously, this is ridiculous, they can make TV series out of this season with those "Backstage Lakers" episodes.
And i absolutely understand why is D12's father comming to rescue his son....
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Postby LOL on Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:41 pm

what the hell? d12 as a grown man cant handle his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] and needs his dad to step in? what is this ,6th grade?
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Postby Shadow on Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:04 pm

Uncle Drew wrote: they can make TV series out of this season with those "Backstage Lakers" episodes



:man10: They sure as hell would get the ratings! :man10:
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Postby MC on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:50 am

I think Howard and his daddy need to come to the realization that Dwight is not 100% and might never be as explosive as he once was. he does not have the tool sets within his game to loose his explosion and still be elite. The real answer for this team would be something these 2 would have hated even more...... the featuring of Gasol down low while Howard became a complimentary player but alas that ship has sailed, especially with the injury to the only big we had that actually has the tool sets not reliant on pure athleticism.

Howard and Bynum are essentially the same to me..... 2 bigs with ego's way bigger than their actual games that don't realize they don't have the actual tool sets to be the man.
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Postby Murdock on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:21 am

MC wrote:I think Howard and his daddy need to come to the realization that Dwight is not 100% and might never be as explosive as he once was. he does not have the tool sets within his game to loose his explosion and still be elite. The real answer for this team would be something these 2 would have hated even more...... the featuring of Gasol down low while Howard became a complimentary player but alas that ship has sailed, especially with the injury to the only big we had that actually has the tool sets not reliant on pure athleticism.

Howard and Bynum are essentially the same to me..... 2 bigs with ego's way bigger than their actual games that don't realize they don't have the actual tool sets to be the man.

problem is taht Bynum has great offensive game ... D12 has Kwame-like hands
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Postby MC on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:57 am

Murdock - If you can't pass out of the post you don't have a great game as a back to the basket center....

A flaw most people don't accept or seem to appreciate about Bynum that is huge when considering making him a primary or even secondary option as a low post player.

Passing ability is still what makes Gasol's game better than Howard or Bynum but most people just don't seem to get that...... without that ability they get taken out of games when the playoffs role around and it's time to take away what a guy does threw adjustments and scheme.

If Bynum ever figures that out instead of being selfish the sky would be the limit but that selfish thing usually gets in the way with personalities like Bynum. Maybe he matures and eventually gets it but maturity is not a given no matter the age, it's a mental process.
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Postby Murdock on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 am

MC wrote:Murdock - If you can't pass out of the post you don't have a great game as a back to the basket center....

A flaw most people don't accept or seem to appreciate about Bynum that is huge when considering making him a primary or even secondary option as a low post player.

Passing ability is still what makes Gasol's game better than Howard or Bynum but most people just don't seem to get that...... without that ability they get taken out of games when the playoffs role around and it's time to take away what a guy does threw adjustments and scheme.

If Bynum ever figures that out instead of being selfish the sky would be the limit but that selfish thing usually gets in the way with personalities like Bynum. Maybe he matures and eventually gets it but maturity is not a given no matter the age, it's a mental process.

Bynum was getting better and will be ... Howard's post game is terrible ... we are lucky he gets away with so many travel otherwise it wouldn't matter if he is better passer or not - TO is TO ... Bynum and Gasol were much better combo, granted if was different system but they still worked better IMO
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Postby LAKEROC on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:17 am

While the Lakers have seemingly picked it up the last few games, and have looked better, I just don't see how on God's Green Earth the Lakers don't bring back Phil Jackson for this very reason. I knew Dwight was a sensitive guy,. For those of you bashing Dwight, you need to understand, that all people are wired differently. As a coach or leader, you need to adapt. Kobe reminds me of a brilliant physics teacher, who calls on the brilliant kid in the class, but who may not be an auditory learner, and therefore gets befuddled with the lecture and frustrated with the teaching. The teacher, knowing how brilliant and renowned he is, refuses to change, since he has won numerous awards in his field. Phil would have understood this, and coached according to Dwight's needs and strengths, and served as that bridge between the two. Given the fact that Dwight has one year remaining on his contract, and that Dwight specifically wanted Phil Jackson, it makes ZERO sense why the Lakers didn't pursue him. Phil understands how the mind works, and how to get the most out of his players. This is what I feel has always been Kobe's biggest detriment....and it's not his fault , it's just how he is wired. Dwight is wired differently. The method that Kobe is using, is actually hurting Dwight mentally. For those who say, "man up", that's like asking a dyslexic person stop having problems reading. You have to find the remedy to the problem,before wanting the problem to be changed. As a player, I have never been so amazed with the things Kobe can do, from his miraculous last second shots, to his ability to play through pain. He is a special player, and we all realize this. However, he does not have the ability(like a gift Phil Jackson has), to be able to ADJUST and ADAPT to the players around him. He doesn't internalize that Dwight needs a hug at this time, and then 3 games later understand that that same approach can't be used, on a different player, and a firmer approach is needed. I think that's the biggest weakest I have truly found in Kobe's game. I have found in life, that the best at something, whether it be dancing, singing, sports, don't often make the best teachers/instructors.
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