D12 Discussion: Dwightmare over! (1139)

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby revgen on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:05 pm

So the guy that has issues "on the court" put up 17ppg, 11rpg, and 3bpg in the postseason. And the guy who has issues "off the court" backstabs his coach, gets into a fight with his PG, claims his ballclub "blackmailed" him into picking up his player option, and is currently coming off of back surgery.

Such a tough choice to make. I'm glad I'm not a GM.
"Every time he’s hurt, he always plays, he always comes through."

- Metta World Peace on teammate Kobe Bryant
revgen
HDTV/Multimedia Guru
 
Posts: 21716
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:53 pm
Location: Southern California

Re: D12 officially opts in....see you in here next year

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:05 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
He is right. Drew pouted on the court as much as D-baby howard did off the court. I still say if Drew took his anger and put it on the court we would have destroyed OKC no matter if Pau showed up or not.


While wholeheartedly agree with your premiss..... you can't "destroy" a team without the ball..... We didn't pass him the ball hardly at all in the 4th quarters of those games.....which is where we lost all 4 of them. That's a large part of WHY he was pouting....

OTOH.... Howard is becoming completely irrational..... two different things. I'd rather have a player pissed off because he wants the ball and wants to help the team rather than one that throws player, coaches, GM's or anyone else in his way under the bus because his endorser will give him a lifetime contract if he gets to a major market....


I understand your point but Drew's importance was on defensive end and rebounds. He was getting outworked in my opinion which was my point.Drew could of dominated the game without having to get a ton of shots. Should he have gotten more touches? Of course. However this is about his maturity and what it cost us.

I agree with your point on Howard which is why I am torn between the two....


I used to be "torn" as well.... but I keep coming back to two things...... The impact of either of these guys isn't going to get us over the top.... Center is one of our strongest positions and improving it even a little isn't going to change where we finish that much IMO.... We lost last year and this year on the offensive end in the 4th quarters.... I don't believe we lost because of defense and rebounding.... We went 4 and 5 minute stretches without field goals in all of the OKC games in the 4th.... same last year against Dallas...

Second and most recent is the fact that Howard has a herniated disk in his back.... that's not a small deal for a guy that relies on his athleticism as much as he does....

If we trade Bynum I'd like to see some really good wing players and a good point guard come back..... We can get a D-only center later.....

To just swap these guys suites ownerships need for a big name.... it really doesn't solve too many issues on the floor....
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22734
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Trade Idea

Postby JUST-MING on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:07 pm

Rooscooter wrote:If we trade Bynum I’d like to see some really good wing players and a good point guard come back… We can get a D-only center later…

I thought that you didn’t like the proposed trade idea of Bynum for Westbrook and Ibaka. Westbrook is the best point guard in the league. He plays his best on the wing. Ibaka is a D only center. He has a developing offensive game. He added a 15 foot jumpshot. All he needs to be a paint threat is a jumphook.
Last edited by JUST-MING on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:23 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
JUST-MING

 
Posts: 1435
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:28 pm

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:08 pm

Image
Image
User avatar
Texas Lakers Fan

 
Posts: 5438
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:26 am

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby last stand on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:17 pm

Why didn't you post the tweet like normal. Especially when it's from a guy who's weaker as an insider than emplay let alone other reporters
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 7502
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Trade

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:20 pm

JUST-MING wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:If we trade Bynum I'd like to see some really good wing players and a good point guard come back..... We can get a D-only center later.....

I thought you didn’t like the proposed trade idea of Bynum for Westbrook and Ibaka. Westbrook is the best point guard in the league, and he plays his best on the wing. Ibaka is a D only center, but has a developing offensive game. He added a 15-foot jump-shot, and all he really needs to be a threat is a jump-hook.


Your right about them being wings and a d-only center..... you missed the part about being really good or we see "really good" differently...

I wouldn't want Westbrook anywhere near this team..... Now a guy like Rondo.... who plays smart.... elevates his play and knows he isn't the best player on the floor.... that I like....

Ibaka is overrated ..... Boris Diaw 2.0.... except on the defensive end.... Get him in a situation where he's counted on for anything and he'll be very ordinary. He's protected on the defensive end by Perk and on the offensive one by the 3 stars....
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22734
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Trade Idea

Postby JUST-MING on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:25 pm

They’re both 23 years old, dominant players, and have plenty of time to develop (and improve).
Last edited by JUST-MING on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:04 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
JUST-MING

 
Posts: 1435
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:28 pm

Re: Trade

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:34 pm

JUST-MING wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:I wouldn't want Westbrook anywhere near this team..... Now a guy like Rondo.... who plays smart.... elevates his play and knows he isn't the best player on the floor.... that I like....

Rondo is a pure point guard. He needs the perfect team around him in order to win. Just look at Kidd. Or Stockton. They needed threats at damn near every position on the floor just to make the Finals.


With Kobe and a couple good/great wings isn't that what we need?.... a pure point guard. I don't disagree that we'd need different personnel at the 3 and 4 to utilize what he brings.... but if we really "blew it up" we could assemble a team around him...

Westbrook is so ball dominant and just plain dumb at times.... I don't see him every leading a team to a championship.... He truly believes he's better than Durant.... half the lanes he has to the basket, not to mention the single coverage all the time, are due to Durant.... He reminds me of Melo a little.... a very good player but fools gold in the sense that they are real leaders....

Anyway... not the right thread to continue anymore....
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22734
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: Trade Idea

Postby Stearnfxr on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:38 pm

JUST-MING wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:If we trade Bynum I’d like to see some really good wing players and a good point guard come back… We can get a D-only center later…

I thought that you didn’t like the proposed trade idea of Bynum for Westbrook and Ibaka. Westbrook is the best point guard in the league. He plays his best on the wing. Ibaka is a D only center. He has a developing offensive game. He added a 15 foot jumpshot. All he needs to be a paint threat is a jumphook.


Ibaka has nice range and can hit open shots unlike most athletic defensive specialist PF's.
Stearnfxr

 
Posts: 824
Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:31 am

Re: Trade Idea

Postby JUST-MING on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:52 pm

Stearnfxr wrote:Ibaka has nice range and can hit open shots unlike most athletic defensive specialist PF's.

Ibaka also plays with Gasol on the Spanish national team, so the two have exceptional chemistry.
User avatar
JUST-MING

 
Posts: 1435
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:28 pm

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:00 pm

Westbrook isn't anywhere near the best point guard in the league.

1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose (When healthy)
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Russell Westbrook
Image
User avatar
Texas Lakers Fan

 
Posts: 5438
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:26 am

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:33 pm

Well then

The Orlando Magic has begun trade discussions regarding center Dwight Howard, and the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets are two of the teams new Magic general manager Ron Hennigan has contacted, Yahoo Sports reported Sunday.

Orlando officials are willing to discuss trades for Howard, and the Lakers were one of the teams that was in contact with the Magic over the weekend, according to the Yahoo Sports report.

It was reported Saturday that Howard requested a trade to the Brooklyn Nets in a meeting with Hennigan.

Howard is entering the final year of his contract after opting in for 2012-2013 at last year’s trade deadline.

Howard, who is recovering from back surgery, averaged 20.6 points and 14.5 rebounds for the Magic this past season.

Wire News Powered By Sports Direct


http://67.228.166.141/report-magic-talk%20...%20um=twitter
Image

Props to sidthekid871
User avatar
The Rock
CL Twitter Team
 
Posts: 19985
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:10 pm
Location: Smackdown Hotel

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:38 pm

Lakers better know that his back is 100% healed and that he'll come with a contract extension.
Image

Props to sidthekid871
User avatar
The Rock
CL Twitter Team
 
Posts: 19985
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:10 pm
Location: Smackdown Hotel

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby dj vitus on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:41 pm

KeepBynum wrote:Westbrook isn't anywhere near the best point guard in the league.

1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose (When healthy)
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Russell Westbrook

5th best PG (technically 4th best with Rose's injuries) is near the best, methinks. :man1: At any rate, Westbrook isn't someone you could build a future around as much as you could Bynum.
"Why are they blocking out all the good stuff? They let Sarah Jessica Parker's face on TV and she looks like a foot!!"
User avatar
dj vitus

 
Posts: 9409
Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 6:59 pm
Location: Walnut, CA by way of Laaaas Vegas!

Re: D12 officially opts in....see you in here next year

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:10 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
I used to be "torn" as well.... but I keep coming back to two things...... The impact of either of these guys isn't going to get us over the top.... Center is one of our strongest positions and improving it even a little isn't going to change where we finish that much IMO.... We lost last year and this year on the offensive end in the 4th quarters.... I don't believe we lost because of defense and rebounding.... We went 4 and 5 minute stretches without field goals in all of the OKC games in the 4th.... same last year against Dallas...

Second and most recent is the fact that Howard has a herniated disk in his back.... that's not a small deal for a guy that relies on his athleticism as much as he does....

If we trade Bynum I'd like to see some really good wing players and a good point guard come back..... We can get a D-only center later.....

To just swap these guys suites ownerships need for a big name.... it really doesn't solve too many issues on the floor....


Trust me I agree with you 100%. I didn't say I want Howard or Drew just that the comment that Doc posted wasn't as :man3: as it was being shown. Howard lost my vote in two places: 1. He has been afraid to step into the shadows of the Lakers HOF Bigs. 2. His diva act has been worse than anything the Prince of the NBA Lebron has ever done.

Drew on the other hand has just been a baby at times. He can mature but I don't know if Howard can ever be the killer that the Lakers need him to be. Drew has shown that he wants to be the man, he wants to be the next great and he has taken steps to be that way... he just needs to grow up.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
User avatar
puffyusaf#2

 
Posts: 30522
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:15 pm
Location: Chasing the dream to an Oscar

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby TylerCaviar on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:15 pm

The Rock wrote:Well then

The Orlando Magic has begun trade discussions regarding center Dwight Howard, and the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets are two of the teams new Magic general manager Ron Hennigan has contacted, Yahoo Sports reported Sunday.

Orlando officials are willing to discuss trades for Howard, and the Lakers were one of the teams that was in contact with the Magic over the weekend, according to the Yahoo Sports report.

It was reported Saturday that Howard requested a trade to the Brooklyn Nets in a meeting with Hennigan.

Howard is entering the final year of his contract after opting in for 2012-2013 at last year’s trade deadline.

Howard, who is recovering from back surgery, averaged 20.6 points and 14.5 rebounds for the Magic this past season.

Wire News Powered By Sports Direct


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--magic-are-weighing-trade-offers-for-dwight-howard.html;_ylt=Ania2Se4lKTbPY0zxu0D4Re8vLYF


Fixed for you. Jimmy boy is gonna go for it. Ballsy move to bank on Howard not wanting to leave LA after playing a few home games.
The Lakers are my drug of choice.
User avatar
TylerCaviar

 
Posts: 191
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:57 pm
Location: POMONA

Re: D12 officially opts in....see you in here next year

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:22 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Trust me I agree with you 100%. I didn't say I want Howard or Drew just that the comment that Doc posted wasn't as :man3: as it was being shown. Howard lost my vote in two places: 1. He has been afraid to step into the shadows of the Lakers HOF Bigs.

I keep seeing this but ya know, I don't think that's it at all..He wants Brooklyn because that's where Adidas is offering the huge extension.. Simple as that.. This is 100's of millions on the line here, we're not talking about a small sacrifice..
lakersin4

 
Posts: 2377
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:02 pm

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:23 pm

Maybe the thought in the front office is that they can give it a try one more year and then let Howard walk.... trade Pau's expiring contract and be under the cap.... who knows?...

From a purely X's and O's standpoint it seems a minor upgrade.... but from a "star" standpoint it's more believable....

If we are going to trade for him wouldn't you at least want to see him play for a week or two on that back?.... Signing him to a max contract (even he wants to) would be a huge gamble it seems.... disk issues for a big have stopped a few promising careers.... having a contract his size blow up would hamstring us forever....
"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded." Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it" Thomas Sowell
User avatar
Rooscooter

 
Posts: 22734
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:25 pm
Location: Chandler AZ and Andalué

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:27 pm

yea getting the 3 time Defensive Player of the Year is a minor upgrade :man10: :man10: :man10:
Image

Props to sidthekid871
User avatar
The Rock
CL Twitter Team
 
Posts: 19985
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:10 pm
Location: Smackdown Hotel

Re: D12 officially opts in....see you in here next year

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:28 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Trust me I agree with you 100%. I didn't say I want Howard or Drew just that the comment that Doc posted wasn't as :man3: as it was being shown. Howard lost my vote in two places: 1. He has been afraid to step into the shadows of the Lakers HOF Bigs.

I keep seeing this but ya know, I don't think that's it at all..He wants Brooklyn because that's where Adidas is offering the huge extension.. Simple as that.. This is 100's of millions on the line here, we're not talking about a small sacrifice..


The thing is if it was about the "market" then going to LA is just as great for Adidas because they have their star with the #1 global icon in Kobe. Yes, Kobe is a Nike guy but Howard would ride that poplurity in the global market. Going to Brooklyn to lose does nothing for the long run for his product. I could see if we were Utah, Golden State, Indiana or something like that but this is the Lakers. Right now NY goes hand in hand with losing when it comes to basketball. Adidas will pay him to bring their image back to life and being on a winner does that plain and simple. So that can not be the reason.... Hence, It has to be more he doesn't want to walk in the shadow of giants on a team that doesn't expect nothing less than a ring every year.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
User avatar
puffyusaf#2

 
Posts: 30522
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:15 pm
Location: Chasing the dream to an Oscar

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:31 pm

We should just do a 3 way with Minny

Bynum/Derrick Williams/Wesley Johnson to Orlando

Pau to Minnesota

Dwight/Beasley/Ryan Anderson to Lakers.
Image

Props to sidthekid871
User avatar
The Rock
CL Twitter Team
 
Posts: 19985
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:10 pm
Location: Smackdown Hotel

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby TylerCaviar on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:36 pm

The Rock wrote:We should just do a 3 way with Minny

Bynum/Derrick Williams/Wesley Johnson to Orlando

Pau to Minnesota

Dwight/Beasley/Ryan Anderson to Lakers.


So Minnesota is agreeing to Pau for Williams,Beasley,Johnson?

Seems like a price they wouldn't realistically pay.
The Lakers are my drug of choice.
User avatar
TylerCaviar

 
Posts: 191
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:57 pm
Location: POMONA

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:39 pm

lakerspomona420 wrote:
The Rock wrote:We should just do a 3 way with Minny

Bynum/Derrick Williams/Wesley Johnson to Orlando

Pau to Minnesota

Dwight/Beasley/Ryan Anderson to Lakers.


So Minnesota is agreeing to Pau for Williams,Beasley,Johnson?

Seems like a price they wouldn't realistically pay.


LOL wtf. They ONLY give up those 3 they should consider themselves lucky.
Image

Props to sidthekid871
User avatar
The Rock
CL Twitter Team
 
Posts: 19985
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:10 pm
Location: Smackdown Hotel

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:41 pm

Salaries don't match bro. The Lakers will get about 33 million in total salary, Orlando gets around 23 million, and Minnesota gets around 20 million.
Image
User avatar
Texas Lakers Fan

 
Posts: 5438
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:26 am

Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby TylerCaviar on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:43 pm

The Rock wrote:
lakerspomona420 wrote:
The Rock wrote:We should just do a 3 way with Minny

Bynum/Derrick Williams/Wesley Johnson to Orlando

Pau to Minnesota

Dwight/Beasley/Ryan Anderson to Lakers.


So Minnesota is agreeing to Pau for Williams,Beasley,Johnson?

Seems like a price they wouldn't realistically pay.


LOL wtf. They ONLY give up those 3 they should consider themselves lucky.


That's overvaluing Pau, IMHO.
The Lakers are my drug of choice.
User avatar
TylerCaviar

 
Posts: 191
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:57 pm
Location: POMONA

PreviousNext

Return to The Graveyard

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Balance&Options24, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Kobe8Fan and 15 guests

cron
Advertise Here | Privacy Policy | ©2008 Sculu Sports. Come Strong.