therealdeal wrote:I think if Dwight wanted to walk you pull the Kevin Love deal and ask for Kevin Love and Pekovic. I'd give them whatever they wanted to make that work. If it takes Pau and Dwight then I ask for Love/Pekovic/Kirilenko/as many f***ing picks as I want.Finwë wrote:LOL, I was just throwing names around, relax
And realdeal, I agree, I'm just asking that if the FO thought Howard was gonna walk and decided to trade him, what package would be acceptable? Then I just threw some names around, that's all.
If Howard wasn't planning to leave, then I wouldn't deal him unless I got a really great deal in place that fit the pieces we already have better.
It's true that the Batum-Aldridge deal would probably hurt our D though. Plus everyone would be a season older...
Different quesiton, even with Howard in the lineup, could a team that is starting Nash & Pau (one season older) be a good defensive team? And it's not like Kobe or MWP are playing elite perimeter D.
It just feels like we have too many weak links in our team for us to play consistent, tough, championship level D. Physically we can't really compete with teams like Miami or OKC or the Clippers, and system-wise we don't have a brilliant coach like Thibbs or Pop to coordinate our D and hide our individual weaknesses..
Basically there's not a package out there that I'd be really all that interested in. I'm restarting the franchise in 2 years with or without Dwight. I want Dwight, but if he wants to leave then I'll hold the door open for him on the way out. If I can get a young star for Dwight in a sign and trade or something like that, I'll do that sure.
As for your second question, no a team with Pau and Artest in the starting lineup cannot win anything. We all vastly underestimated the decline of Gasol and we all really overrated the return of Artest. Yes he's much better than last season, but that doesn't mean he's great. He's a good role player at this point in his career.
Now if we somehow got our hands on a young athletic SF I think a starting lineup of Nash/Kobe/SF/Clark/healthy Howard could easily win a Championship.
Chillbongo wrote:I would bust a n** if that trade went down. In other words, it's not going to happen.
Indy is NOT giving up Hibbert or George.
OKC is NOT giving up Ibaka.
These teams are at the top of their respective conferences, and have no reason to want to trade key pieces involved in their success. Ibaka would be great though. Great.
Steve Nash would obviously love to run more pick & roll with Howard, but said both parties have to want to do it. He hopes it gets better.
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The Rock wrote:Just to put things in perspective, Dwight is still drawing a lot of attention. HE found Clarke open for 3, we still need some shooters y'all
no offense to Clarke and Jamison but they're like a band-aid type solution to the spacing problem. We need one more SG/SF type who can hit some 3s
lakersin4 wrote:I don't think this is a bad thing. Maybe Dwight will listen & start moving to get the ball. Would be huge for us if Dwight gets more engaged.
The Rock wrote:^ not really. Lebron's Jumper is still extremely shaky. All he does now is take shots in the paint or pass it out for 3 pointers, notice how many snipers Miami has on the roster
revgen wrote:therealdeal wrote:revgen wrote:therealdeal wrote:rev I'm not going to debate you on Bynum again.
You brought it up. Not me.
I brought up a dramatic Center. If you want to argue that Bynum wasn't a dramatic Center, that's your party not mine.
Bynum pouted on the floor a TON. Howard pouts on the floor a TON. The ends of their pouting are unimportant to the fact that both are/were prima donnas and both gave our team headaches with their drama.
I know Bynum is your boy, but that's the end of my argument. That's it. It's not an insult to Bynum, so no need to defend him.
First "you're not going to debate me" about Bynum." Now you are?
It's been an interesting morning.
Lakerman JSJ wrote:The Rock wrote:^ not really. Lebron's Jumper is still extremely shaky. All he does now is take shots in the paint or pass it out for 3 pointers, notice how many snipers Miami has on the roster
James shot just 7-for-38 from outside the paint in The Finals
Chillbongo wrote:^^^^That picture is nice, but it only works if Dwight hasn't been stripped or fouled yet.
dwighthowardsdad wrote:Nevertheless, part of the reason he does get stripped is because of all the congestion in the paint, IMO. We don't have reliable shooting that can space the floor consistently; nobody besides Nash can be respected shooting from long range. I think Dwight's efficiency would go up if we had more floor balance, IMO.
I noticed two differences in Dwight since coming from Orlando to our team. One his health, secondly he had more space to operate in the paint, and he was a better screener in Orlando. All of those things added together with his bad attitude has effected his play and frustrated him because he hasn't adjusted to playing through injuries, yet.