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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:28 am

The official Magic Twitter posted this..

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Rob Hennigan: During our conversation, Dwight did mention his preference is to be traded and that Brooklyn is where he'd like to go.

Rob Hennigan: I do not believe his (Dwight Howard) health will be an issue going forward.

Rob Hennigan: We are going to continue to map out what is in the best interest for our team.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby The Rock on Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:31 am

https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/219813387591352321

Dwight opting into his contract, a spur-of-the-moment decision in the middle of the night on a freakin airplane, was remarkably shortsighted
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby khmrP on Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:35 am

while I'm no Bynum fan, Howard is by far much much worse mentally. He's pretty much hampering Orl mgmt. from getting the best possible deal. Reminds me of that duche Shaq when he demanded to be traded to only warm whether city :bang: F this big baby and leave it be and let his dumb arse work himself to Brooklyn however that maybe. Bynum has ALOT Of value around the league and I know you guys only want him traded for another star but if we can get multiple picks and good-great 2-3 talents I would do it. We all know Pau stock is at all time low and everybody is gona low ball us for him.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby sina on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:04 am

I think Kobe and Pau are not enough for another championship run. They need help. But Andrew is not the answer obviously. He is not ready skillwise and mentally. Besides, he doesn't have chemistry with Kobe and Pau, especially Pau. The only advantage to keep him is age. He is the future of the Lakers. But if I could land trade him for Howard, a DOP who did lead a team to the Finals, I'll do it in a heart bit, really.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Balance&Options24 on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:14 am

Arash Markazi:Never seen a player want to play in LA less than Dwight Howard. Then again, never seen an athlete handle his situation worse.about 6 minutes ago

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Re: D12 officially opts in....see you in here next year

Postby Psychobroker on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:18 am

OX1947 wrote:
gill wrote:If Mitch trades for Dwight, Gasol has to stay as insurance for next year. Dwight might end up being a 1 year rental and we'll end up with nothing. At least if he bolts next year, Mitch can dangle Gasol's expiring K to get something decent back for the front court.


Gasol and Dwight would work better. One is defensive minded, the other is offensive. Howard isnt a back to the basket type player, he is put backs and dunks with the occasional jumper. Gasol would man the post on offense and howard on defense. Think duncan and robinson but in reverse as far as position. Howver, if money is the issue with gasol, then i would guess if the lakers did a swap for howard with bynum, that minny deal for williams and beasley with a draft pick or barea is likely.


? And where do you expect to put Howard with Gasol on the block? At the elbow/high-post? :freak2:

He would be left unguarded (and a rain of crap jumpers from him would follow), while Pau would be doubled each and everytime, resulting in more Pansy-Pau. No thanks.

I'd stick with trying to move Pau in a deal for a PG+PF - Dragic/Scola, Harris/Milsap, etc.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Psychobroker on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:21 am

revgen wrote:So the guy that has issues "on the court" put up 17ppg, 11rpg, and 3bpg in the postseason. And the guy who has issues "off the court" backstabs his coach, gets into a fight with his PG, claims his ballclub "blackmailed" him into picking up his player option, and is currently coming off of back surgery.

Such a tough choice to make. I'm glad I'm not a GM.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Tobias Funke on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:29 am

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Arash Markazi:Never seen a player want to play in LA less than Dwight Howard. Then again, never seen an athlete handle his situation worse.about 6 minutes ago

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Thats why if it happens cool, but my mind has long moved past Dwight being a Laker because it seems he just flat out doesn't want to be here. And I dont buy that crap about him being turned off by a convo with Kobe either. I think that Brooklyn is the only place he's ever wanted to be. Whether its Adidas, fear of the Laker legacy, whatever, its obvious he not only isnt interested, he'd rather not.

A trade to the Lakers would put him in a better situation to win than if he went to Brooklyn, and it would certainly leave the team and city that he supposedly loves so much in a much better situation than what they'd get in a trade with the Nets.

Based on the rumors, sounds like the Lakers want Dwight, and the Magic obviously want Bynum over the Nets' trash. If he was actually considering LA even a little, a trade would have been done a long time ago IMO.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Psychobroker on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:35 am

West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.

2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.

Dealing now puts all the chips on this season, all in. Its Cortez buring the ships after reaching the 'new world', no going back! Its saves face on the Bynum paradox (above) and worst case, Dwight walks, makes D12 the scape-goat for having to move Kobe to a contender next year and blow it all up.


This is the best you've got?? A hard foul that was punished appropriately and for which he did apologize immediately after, a vague/biased generalization about his "moping" and ... parking in a handicap spot... :man10: You're actually putting these on the same level as calling for one's coach to be fired, actively subverting team chemistry, holding an entire franchise's future (and fan base) hostage, and now, reportedly, nearly coming to blows with a teammate .... "Embarrassing the franchise". Please, just stop it already.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:05 am

West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.


If this were what it took to get traded Magic, Kobe, Worthy and a few others good to great players wouldn't have been Lakers for long either....

Bynum's antics are a royal pain but so far there is nothing like Magic pouting publicly until the coach was fired, Worthy hiring hookers in the team hotel or Kobe's "Colorado" incident or Kareem's DUI/possession incident in his resume'...... yet.

Howard's antics seem to go unnoticed?....

West wrote:2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.


Again... I see what you are saying but Howard just came off back surgery.... so you'd trade Bynum for him without even one game played to see if that back is O.K.?....
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby borri on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:09 am

I know it's really unlikely to happen but if we get D12 and J. Smooth, let's just say we won't be complaining about our D for a very very long time.

Offensively, well, that's another matter. Just got to get the right pieces (shooters) to make that work.

But then, highly unlikely this will happen.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Stearnfxr on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:13 am

Dwight isn't the answer to the Lakers problems, he's not much more than a lateral move. No one including Dwight or his doctors knows how well his back will hold up, if at all. Bynum just completed his first full season since 2007 and showed significant growth, growth which outpaced Dwight's growth. There is nothing, zip, zero, NADA to suggest Bynum's growth won't continue next year. In fact, everything points to him taking an even bigger jump next season with his first chance at a complete REGULAR schedule since 2007.

The biggest woes on the Lakers last year was on the offensive end, not the defensive and were partially caused by losing the versatile LO, Fisher's shot mia until we traded him, Sessions choking in the playoffs, and Meta's pathetic shooting. That's what messed up the offense, that's what the biggest problem was.

Dwight is not the answer, the offense would get worse on this team with no outside shooting. Only pick n roll defense would improve, which is not enough to compensate for the paint being jammed up because no one outside Kobe and Gasol are respected from 14' out.

PG, SF, a PF who at minimum can defend multiple positions and shoot should be the primary goals.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby the_Dude on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:19 am

Lakeshow24 wrote:
the_Dude wrote:At this point let's send them a package centered around Pau. Talk about screwing a team over. His trade value has been compromised.


Because they won't take Pau and it's an unrealistic suggestion.

Unrealistic? Who would have thought that a guy who makes millions each year and is babied by his hometown would turn around and chuck daggers like this? Whiners get teams in trouble. Shaq wanted out. Did we get their best player back? This is about a compromised trade value. A deal this lopsided is ridiculous but not out of the question.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:43 am

West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.

2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.

Dealing now puts all the chips on this season, all in. Its Cortez buring the ships after reaching the 'new world', no going back! Its saves face on the Bynum paradox (above) and worst case, Dwight walks, makes D12 the scape-goat for having to move Kobe to a contender next year and blow it all up.


:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:

Yeah let's trade our 24 year old star center for an clown who won't sign an extension.

Thank God you're not the GM.

Funny how you blatantly ignore Howard's antics where he basically got his GM and coach fired.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby West on Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:58 am

Psychobroker wrote:
West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.

2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.

Dealing now puts all the chips on this season, all in. Its Cortez buring the ships after reaching the 'new world', no going back! Its saves face on the Bynum paradox (above) and worst case, Dwight walks, makes D12 the scape-goat for having to move Kobe to a contender next year and blow it all up.


This is the best you've got?? A hard foul that was punished appropriately and for which he did apologize immediately after, a vague/biased generalization about his "moping" and ... parking in a handicap spot... :man10: You're actually putting these on the same level as calling for one's coach to be fired, actively subverting team chemistry, holding an entire franchise's future (and fan base) hostage, and now, reportedly, nearly coming to blows with a teammate .... "Embarrassing the franchise". Please, just stop it already.


I appreciate your passion and I see your side. I just don't think maxing out Bynum next year is wise (above reasons). Doing this deal, at worst, saves face for the Lakers after next season allowing them to rebuild quickly. and at best brings the leagues best big to pair with Kobe and whatever Pau can get you this year.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:09 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Bynum for D12

Pau for Smith / Zaza

Hill (S&T) for Michael Beasley

Blake / 2nd for Dorell Wright

Resign Sessions

Delonte West or Nate Robinson with the mini-MLE

Sessions / Delonte or Nate / Morris
Kobe / DJO / Glock
MWP / Wright / Eyenga
Smith / Beasley / McFly
D12 / Zaza

Championship?

I thought you didn't want Dwight on this team? That team probably wins the championship, but I don't see us getting all those guys.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Kou on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:14 pm

West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.

2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.

Dealing now puts all the chips on this season, all in. Its Cortez buring the ships after reaching the 'new world', no going back! Its saves face on the Bynum paradox (above) and worst case, Dwight walks, makes D12 the scape-goat for having to move Kobe to a contender next year and blow it all up.


Have you seen what D12 is doing to the Magic? Embarassing doesnt even do it justice.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby West on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:17 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.


If this were what it took to get traded Magic, Kobe, Worthy and a few others good to great players wouldn't have been Lakers for long either....

Bynum's antics are a royal pain but so far there is nothing like Magic pouting publicly until the coach was fired, Worthy hiring hookers in the team hotel or Kobe's "Colorado" incident or Kareem's DUI/possession incident in his resume'...... yet.

Howard's antics seem to go unnoticed?....

West wrote:2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.


Again... I see what you are saying but Howard just came off back surgery.... so you'd trade Bynum for him without even one game played to see if that back is O.K.?....


Good points, but let me address them as I see them.

1. Magic was speaking out for his team, most agreed a change was needed, they were right.
Kobe problems was never on the court, it was personal. If his wife forgave him, his employer shouldn't?
Worthy? Again never on the court, personal.
Kareem? LOL, I forgot about that one. ok you got me there...

To me Bynum acts out in a more public way. I like the kid, but I wouldn't max him out! If Doc feels the similarly, Drew's days here are short anyway. Roll the dice on D12.

2. Dwights health. Again since he is on the books for a year, financially letting him walk wouldn't be the best thing, but might force a rebuild scenerio. Then again, how would Dwights future value be effected if he "couldn't play while continuing to rehab" this year? D12 is going to have to sing for his supper this year, why not pair that with Kobe?

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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:20 pm

If we don't "max out" Bynum, another team will. That much is certain.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby West on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:27 pm

KeepBynum wrote:
West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.

2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.

Dealing now puts all the chips on this season, all in. Its Cortez buring the ships after reaching the 'new world', no going back! Its saves face on the Bynum paradox (above) and worst case, Dwight walks, makes D12 the scape-goat for having to move Kobe to a contender next year and blow it all up.


:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:

Yeah let's trade our 24 year old star center for an clown who won't sign an extension.

Thank God you're not the GM.

Funny how you blatantly ignore Howard's antics where he basically got his GM and coach fired.


I dont know that Howard wanted either Otis or. SVG gone. But Otis needed to go, he couldn't do what needed to be done and that was surround D12 with prime talent. Instead he overpaid for players that were on the decline. Dwight wouldn't stand for it. Would Kobe? Would Magic?

Howard should have never opted in. we don't know why he did, but seems that he was sick of Otis still doing nothing and made a rash decision.

As for letting Bynum walk... I just don't think it wise to max him out next year...
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby Kou on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:40 pm

revgen wrote:If we don't "max out" Bynum, another team will. That much is certain.


If Hibbert is getting the max, Andrew will in a heartbeat.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby khmrP on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:45 pm

Kou wrote:
revgen wrote:If we don't "max out" Bynum, another team will. That much is certain.


If Hibbert is getting the max, Andrew will in a heartbeat.


Hibbert might be max but its still not as big as Bynum max is going to be.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby ShowtimeACB on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:47 pm

I don´t have any doubt that if Howard ends up here he´ll resign, the lights here would be to bright for him to ignore them.

Greatest franchise in the history in the NBA, most succesful team in the last 30 years, we know how to built great teams on a constant basis, banners everywhere, LA, Hollywood, Mikan-Wilt-Kareem-Shaq...once he would be here...just impossible for him to pass on this.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby khmrP on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:50 pm

ShowtimeACB wrote:I don´t have any doubt that if Howard ends up here he´ll resign, the lights here would be to bright for him to ignore them.

Greatest franchise in the history in the NBA, most succesful team in the last 30 years, we know how to built great teams on a constant basis, banners everywhere, LA, Hollywood, Mikan-Wilt-Kareem-Shaq...once he would be here...just impossible for him to pass on this.


well apparently all that hasn't gotten his interest at the moment so thats not a chance I would be willing to take especially considering the lack of assests we would have if he doesn't resign.
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Re: D12 Thread - WoJo: ORL ready to trade

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:51 pm

West wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
West wrote:I do Bynum for D12 even without a commitment from Howard beyond this year and here's why:

1. Bynum embarrasses the organization repeatedly. Berrea incident. Moping on sideline. Handicapped parking. etc.


If this were what it took to get traded Magic, Kobe, Worthy and a few others good to great players wouldn't have been Lakers for long either....

Bynum's antics are a royal pain but so far there is nothing like Magic pouting publicly until the coach was fired, Worthy hiring hookers in the team hotel or Kobe's "Colorado" incident or Kareem's DUI/possession incident in his resume'...... yet.

Howard's antics seem to go unnoticed?....

West wrote:2. Bynum is due to get maxed out after this season. I don't want to throw that money at an injury prone 24 year old baby who doesn't respect the Laker brand.


Again... I see what you are saying but Howard just came off back surgery.... so you'd trade Bynum for him without even one game played to see if that back is O.K.?....


Good points, but let me address them as I see them.

1. Magic was speaking out for his team, most agreed a change was needed, they were right.
Kobe problems was never on the court, it was personal. If his wife forgave him, his employer shouldn't?
Worthy? Again never on the court, personal.
Kareem? LOL, I forgot about that one. ok you got me there...

To me Bynum acts out in a more public way. I like the kid, but I wouldn't max him out! If Doc feels the similarly, Drew's days here are short anyway. Roll the dice on D12.

2. Dwights health. Again since he is on the books for a year, financially letting him walk wouldn't be the best thing, but might force a rebuild scenerio. Then again, how would Dwights future value be effected if he "couldn't play while continuing to rehab" this year? D12 is going to have to sing for his supper this year, why not pair that with Kobe?

Just my thoughts.


Well yeah....there is that. Probably first time it's been brought up.

I'm worried about the back but player wise wow....tough choice. Bynum though to me, to be a franchise build around center, just doesn't seem to be explosive enough. But too if he really does want "it" more than Howard, and he does keep working and improving on weaknesses, from where he is now.....look the hell out. :man4:
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