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Postby Barnstable on Mon May 05, 2014 2:55 am

^Harden was super ineffective :man10:
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 05, 2014 7:37 am

Scnottaken wrote:Purple girl used fury swipes.
Blonde girl fainted.

Another pokemon related joke:
I always found it funny that harden was supposed to increase defense.

he did... He increased the defensive load for his teammates thus making them work harder which made them better defensive players overall. :man3: :man1:
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon May 05, 2014 8:46 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Scnottaken wrote:Purple girl used fury swipes.
Blonde girl fainted.

Another pokemon related joke:
I always found it funny that harden was supposed to increase defense.

he did... He increased the defensive load for his teammates thus making them work harder which made them better defensive players overall. :man3: :man1:


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Postby Savory Griddles on Mon May 05, 2014 9:13 am

So if you stretch that 30 million he turned down to play with us over the course of his 4 year deal, he paid 7.5 million for one extra win in the playoffs.

I would hope this series shuts up all the people saying Harden is a superstar. He's a streaky scorer. That's it.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon May 05, 2014 9:23 am

Barnstable wrote:^Harden was super ineffective :man10:

:man10:
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon May 05, 2014 10:26 am

ALso I just remembered, now the Rockets owe Lin and Asik around $15 million this next, upcoming year. (Poison pill contract finally is catching up with them)
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Postby pound4pound1 on Mon May 05, 2014 10:33 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:ALso I just remembered, now the Rockets owe Lin and Asik around $15 million this next, upcoming year. (Poison pill contract finally is catching up with them)


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Postby Doc Brown on Mon May 05, 2014 10:34 am

It only counts 8 million towards the salary cap for each of them.
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Postby Lakerjones on Mon May 05, 2014 1:02 pm

So glad to see the Sprockets fall apart. My most hated team now. Now I'd love to see the Paper Clips fail and someone beat to Beat the CHEAT - but I'm not holding my breath on that last one.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon May 05, 2014 1:49 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:
Battle Tested20 wrote:ALso I just remembered, now the Rockets owe Lin and Asik around $15 million this next, upcoming year. (Poison pill contract finally is catching up with them)


each? daaaaaaamn


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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon May 05, 2014 1:50 pm

Doc Brown wrote:It only counts 8 million towards the salary cap for each of them.

really :man3:

why only $8 million
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Postby Vasashi17 on Mon May 05, 2014 2:24 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:It only counts 8 million towards the salary cap for each of them.

really :man3:

why only $8 million


Doc's right....the way the poison pill contracts work is that teams can backload contracts of RFAs, but to them the average of the contract will be the cap hit per year. Now if the home team matches, the contract stays as is and will affect their salary cap accordingly.

In the Asik/Lin situation, Houston backloaded each contract 5-5-15M, but each year of the 3 year contract would average out to about an 8M hit towards the Rockets cap. But if Chicago/NY matched Asik/Lin's deals then they would have to face a 5M cap hit for years 1 & 2, but in year 3 get hit with 15M. Obviously, they refused to match which left Houston paying each player 5-5-15M but only hit their cap in the amount of 8M from years 1 through 3.

The Lakers could do something similar this summer for the RFAs that are available such as Monroe and Bledsoe.
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Doc Brown on Mon May 05, 2014 2:28 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:It only counts 8 million towards the salary cap for each of them.

really :man3:

why only $8 million


"Poison Pill" Contract
By Charlie Zegers

Definition: NBA general managers have begun to use "poison pill" contracts as a way to exploit the strict new salary cap and luxury tax rules in the league's new collective bargaining agreement.

Here's how it works:



Team X wants to sign a restricted free agent away from Team Y. Team Y has the right to match any contract offer.
Team X structures the contract offer to maximize the potential luxury tax penalties for Team Y if they choose to match, usually by back-loading the deal. The total value of the contract might be $40 million, but the pay schedule might be $5 million in each of the first two years and $15 million in the second two - designed to put the original team over the luxury tax threshold in years three and four.
The 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement gives a major advantage to teams writing these poison pill contracts. For salary cap and luxury tax purposes, only the average yearly value of the deal is counted. But a team matching the offer does not get the same benefit.
For example: the Houston Rockets offered identical contracts to Knicks guard Jeremy Lin and Chicago Bulls forward/center Omer Asik. They deals will pay roughly $5 million in years one and two and $15 million in year three. For the Rockets, those deals will count as roughly $8.3 million contracts each year, for cap and tax purposes. If the Knicks opted to match, Lin's deal would count at its actual value. That $15 million cap hit - combined with the contracts of Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler - would have come with a staggering luxury tax bill.



"Poison Pill" Signings

Under the previous collective bargaining agreement, it was rare for a restricted free agent to attract very lucrative offers from new teams, and most offers were simply matched. But in the opening week of free agency 2012, several notable restricted free agents signed specially-structured "poison pill" deals and are headed to new teams.
Omer Asik of the Chicago Bulls was the first, signing a heavily back-loaded deal to become a member of the Houston Rockets. They used a similar ploy to pry Jeremy Lin away from the Knicks.

The Toronto Raptors took this one step further, signing Knick guard Landry Fields to a back-loaded contract, mostly as a way to prevent the Knicks from using Fields in a sign-and-trade deal to acquire Steve Nash.

Why "Poison Pill?"

The term poison pill is derived from the world of high finance and generally refers to any tactic used in an attempt to prevent a hostile takeover.


Examples: The Houston Rockets offered restricted free agent center Omer Asik a three-year, $25 million "poison pill" contract, with $15 million of the total payout coming in the third year. That pay schedule will make it very difficult for the Bulls to match, as Chicago already has nearly $35 million committed to Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer in 2014-15.

More on the NBA Collective Bargaining
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby abeer3 on Wed May 14, 2014 7:13 am

true, but the 8 mill each is already strangling the rockets cap this summer, meaning if they want to improve the team in any significant way, they must dupe someone into trading either a) cap space or b) a more valuable player for the opportunity to pay a bunch of cash to role players.

we'll see if someone bails morey out, but I'd be surprised. they couldn't get much for asik at the deadline; those offers are going to be lower now (I'm guessing only a handful of teams would even be interested in paying him, low cap hit or not). and lin's been criminally overpaid since day 1. when guys like Darren collision are playing for the mini mle, I'm thinking lin only moves if they're taking back a worse contract or adding significant assets to the deal.

so, smart work, there.
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Battle Tested20 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:It only counts 8 million towards the salary cap for each of them.

really :man3:

why only $8 million


"Poison Pill" Contract
By Charlie Zegers

Definition: NBA general managers have begun to use "poison pill" contracts as a way to exploit the strict new salary cap and luxury tax rules in the league's new collective bargaining agreement.

Here's how it works:



Team X wants to sign a restricted free agent away from Team Y. Team Y has the right to match any contract offer.
Team X structures the contract offer to maximize the potential luxury tax penalties for Team Y if they choose to match, usually by back-loading the deal. The total value of the contract might be $40 million, but the pay schedule might be $5 million in each of the first two years and $15 million in the second two - designed to put the original team over the luxury tax threshold in years three and four.
The 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement gives a major advantage to teams writing these poison pill contracts. For salary cap and luxury tax purposes, only the average yearly value of the deal is counted. But a team matching the offer does not get the same benefit.
For example: the Houston Rockets offered identical contracts to Knicks guard Jeremy Lin and Chicago Bulls forward/center Omer Asik. They deals will pay roughly $5 million in years one and two and $15 million in year three. For the Rockets, those deals will count as roughly $8.3 million contracts each year, for cap and tax purposes. If the Knicks opted to match, Lin's deal would count at its actual value. That $15 million cap hit - combined with the contracts of Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler - would have come with a staggering luxury tax bill.



"Poison Pill" Signings

Under the previous collective bargaining agreement, it was rare for a restricted free agent to attract very lucrative offers from new teams, and most offers were simply matched. But in the opening week of free agency 2012, several notable restricted free agents signed specially-structured "poison pill" deals and are headed to new teams.
Omer Asik of the Chicago Bulls was the first, signing a heavily back-loaded deal to become a member of the Houston Rockets. They used a similar ploy to pry Jeremy Lin away from the Knicks.

The Toronto Raptors took this one step further, signing Knick guard Landry Fields to a back-loaded contract, mostly as a way to prevent the Knicks from using Fields in a sign-and-trade deal to acquire Steve Nash.

Why "Poison Pill?"

The term poison pill is derived from the world of high finance and generally refers to any tactic used in an attempt to prevent a hostile takeover.


Examples: The Houston Rockets offered restricted free agent center Omer Asik a three-year, $25 million "poison pill" contract, with $15 million of the total payout coming in the third year. That pay schedule will make it very difficult for the Bulls to match, as Chicago already has nearly $35 million committed to Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer in 2014-15.

More on the NBA Collective Bargaining


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Postby pound4pound1 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:43 pm

you guys got me all happy...i clicked thinking i would see Flopper gloom
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:50 pm

Just go to Other NBA Games discussion. There are 2 Clipper fans in there PMS'ing.
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed May 14, 2014 3:37 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:Just go to Other NBA Games discussion. There are 2 Clipper fans in there PMS'ing.


Let's Go Lakers and who else?
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed May 14, 2014 5:35 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Just go to Other NBA Games discussion. There are 2 Clipper fans in there PMS'ing.


Let's Go Lakers and who else?

This is gonna be the rolling joke for the summer I guess :man10:
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu May 15, 2014 10:37 am

Savory Griddles wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Just go to Other NBA Games discussion. There are 2 Clipper fans in there PMS'ing.


Let's Go Lakers and who else?


Let's Go Clippers. :man10:
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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu May 15, 2014 12:42 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Just go to Other NBA Games discussion. There are 2 Clipper fans in there PMS'ing.


Let's Go Lakers and who else?


Let's Go Clippers. :man10:



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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Rooscooter on Thu May 15, 2014 12:50 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:you guys got me all happy...i clicked thinking i would see Flopper gloom


Most of the "recent" fans are in "re-evaluation" mode….. staying low…. lurking….. signing in with their name hidden…. waiting to see if there is a Clipper win to pounce.

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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby kenzo on Thu May 15, 2014 1:03 pm

^ :man9:
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 15, 2014 1:05 pm

Doc Rivers wrote:Our starting 5 has still never lost a game the refs didn't screw us.
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Re: Doomsday: Fan reaction of other teams in here!

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu May 15, 2014 6:48 pm

:man10:
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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