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It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both and Contend

Postby Snakell Beast on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:03 pm

The Lakers need to make a decision RIGHT NOW. Not to save this season, I believe that may very well be a lost cause, but to perhaps salvage next season. The front office needs to decide whether they want to keep Dwight Howard, or Mike D'Antoni. They can't keep both. Dwight is not a fit for D'Antoni's system, and the coach is hand-cuffed into playing the under-performing big late in games when sitting him would be the best strategic move.

If the front office wants to move forward with Dwight Howard as the centerpiece, they need to fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a coach that will cater to their embattled and fundamentally unsound big man's game. If the front office has visions of showtime 2.0 dancing in their heads, they need to trade Dwight Howard (perhaps to Dallas for Dirk Nowitzki and Shawn Marion) and make Pau Gasol the starting center. Pau may not fit as the stretch 4 in D'Antoni's system, but put him at the 5 and suddenly he fits. There is a reason that the Mike D'Antoni Lakers offensive and defensive ratings are highest with Gasol and Jamison together in the front court.

If the Lakers can get a proven stretch 4 (Dirk is the BEST stretch 4 in the business) so that Jamison can work that role from the bench, then they become a much more formidable opponent, especially in the area of Free Throw Percentage. A front line of Gasol and Nowitzki would be quite a formidable shooting front court. If the Lakers really want to build around Dwight Howard, the future for the roster and the coaching staff becomes more muddled and more difficult to contemplate.

Gasol is trending downward in performance, is now going to be chronically hurt with arthritic knees, and as a result becomes an untradeable player with a bloated contract. Perhaps next season, in the final year of his deal, the Lakers could trade his expiring contract...except that would mean taking on Pau's salary (in the form of other players coming in to replace Pau) for a longer period going into a much more punitive salary cap system. The best strategy is to admit that with his ailing knees, Pau has become a center...and nothing else. He is still a very good option at the 5, and he seems to prefer that role these days.

A Gasol for Stoudamire trade could work, but in my opinion that only puts a band-aid on the far more serious issue of poor shooting from the front court. I'm not sure what the Lakers should do going forward. Perhaps standing pat will prove the best solution. As this increasingly unsalvageable season moves along, and the losses pile up, I worry about the future, both immediate and long term.

I see a possible future where Gasol and Nash either must retire, or are slowed enough with injuries to render them ineffective. I see Dwight Howard, frustrated by the intense media scrutiny, the pressure to perform and the less than ideal fit with Mike D'Antoni's system, opting to sign elsewhere...ANYWHERE to get away from this mess. I fear that Kobe (in the final years of what was otherwise a brilliant and wildly entertaining career) could wind up unceremoniously relegated to the status of a 38% jump shooting ball hog on a wholly irrelevant 20 win team...a team whose second best player is a washed up Metta World Peace averaging 12 points per game on 32% shooting.

Remember that the Lakers are WITHOUT any first round picks for nearly half a decade going forward. If this so-called "Super Team" [ :man10: :man9: ] experiment fails as it appears it will, what (if any) possible bright spots remain for a franchise that has all but sold its soul for a few more years of relevance???
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:05 pm

It's Snakell Beast or CL......
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:24 pm

Obviously we are keeping D12 because if we kept MDA we would be racist.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby khmrP on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:27 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Obviously we are keeping D12 because if we kept MDA we would be racist.

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but lets call up Dall now, no more hack-a nothing.....I can live with Marion/Dirk :man10:
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby trodgers on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:46 pm

I don't think I agree. A few pieces of evidence.

-The team and D'Antoni agreed to have D'Antoni coach, knowing what the roster was.
-D'Antoni has come forward and said all the right things to support Dwight. It's not Dwight's fault. He's a franchise player. You don't take out your franchise player.
-Dwight hasn't said anything negative about Mike or the system as far as I know.
-No Nash yet (fingers crossed)
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:57 pm

The season is a lost cause? Come on man, were not even half way through the games.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Alcindor on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:24 pm

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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Center Court on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:38 pm

I think you mean it's Kobe or Dwight..

Right now Kobe's recent chucking and holding the ball too mch is what is limiting Dwight. Not MDA.

If it were Mike's choice of Kobe/Gasol or Dwight/Nash he's taking the new guys.

Nash will put Kobe in his place.. off the ball.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Frank Dux on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:39 pm

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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:53 pm

Center Court wrote:I think you mean it's Kobe or Dwight..

Right now Kobe's recent chucking and holding the ball too mch is what is limiting Dwight. Not MDA.

If it were Mike's choice of Kobe/Gasol or Dwight/Nash he's taking the new guys.

Nash will put Kobe in his place.. off the ball.


That's not fair, Kobe is being asked to distribute the ball, score when we need a push, be a lock down defender, sprint up and down the court in this new fast paced offense, and all of this while playing 38mpg, the most out of any player on the roster, at 34 years of age. I agree that Nash will relieve some of our woes, but to put EVERYTHING on Kobe isn't fair. He's not the one who missed a ton of free throws and he wasn't the one allowing all those offensive rebounds last night.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Center Court on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:47 pm

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:
Center Court wrote:I think you mean it's Kobe or Dwight..

Right now Kobe's recent chucking and holding the ball too mch is what is limiting Dwight. Not MDA.

If it were Mike's choice of Kobe/Gasol or Dwight/Nash he's taking the new guys.

Nash will put Kobe in his place.. off the ball.


That's not fair, Kobe is being asked to distribute the ball, score when we need a push, be a lock down defender, sprint up and down the court in this new fast paced offense, and all of this while playing 38mpg, the most out of any player on the roster, at 34 years of age. I agree that Nash will relieve some of our woes, but to put EVERYTHING on Kobe isn't fair. He's not the one who missed a ton of free throws and he wasn't the one allowing all those offensive rebounds last night.



and the only thing he is doing is running and shooting. certainly he's not locking down and rarely does he distribute the ball the way he is capable of... In the rare games where he wheres his play making hat, we dominate.

At the very least, he should make sure Dwight gets 15-18 shots per game. Dwight will give you about 20 points on those shots alone. let's say he gets 12 free thows and makes 5, then he's got 25. Then off the offensive glass, he can get 4-8 points off put backs. That's around 30 points that can go through the middleinstead of Kobe wearing himself down on the perimeter. Then Kobe finds this easy route to 25ppg and off of those 2, Pau/Meeks/Metta/Jamison can score easier.

So I'm counting on Nash to solve a lot of problems but I think it's very realistic that he'll really open the game up for Dwight. If he can get Gortat to 14-16ppg, he can get Dwight to 24 points in easy baskets.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby TIME on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:58 pm

I'm not sure "can't" means what you think it means.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby noobiew on Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:37 am

Hey, Dwight is not a fit for D'Antoni's system? even the great Mitch Kupchak is also not agree with you LOL

Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said the decision to hire Mike D'Antoni instead of Phil Jackson didn't come down to money, demands over personnel control or travel restrictions, it came down to basketball reason. D'Antoni was hired for the job for a variety of reasons, primarily his offense was considered a better fit for the Lakers' current roster than Jackson's Triangle offense.

Kupchak : “Knowing his style of play and given the current make-up of our roster, we feel Mike is a great fit to us"


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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:01 am



Around the 3:19 mark Coach Nick starts talking about the pick-and-roll with Dwight and Nash and shows that Dwight THRIVES in the p-n-r, as well as Nash. Guess what? Pick-and-roll offense is the CENTERPIECE to D'Antoni's system, so to say Dwight won't fit or whatever is 100% wrong.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby halekulani on Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:07 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:The Lakers need to make a decision RIGHT NOW.

and here's where i stopped reading

no preseason
no training camp
no steve nash
all of this is done by winging it

and they havent even gone half a season

please stop overreacting
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby cleverdevil on Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:16 pm

Yes, lets choose between the future of the franchise or the coach who's offense is built around said franchise player's biggest offensive strength, who is consistently going to bat and protecting his player against naysayers, and who's biggest fault as a coach (defense) can be masked by future franchise player's biggest strength overall (3x DPOY).

I sure hope OP isnt on Wall Street, would wear his voice out yelling "Buy!" "Sell!" at every hint of movement.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:14 pm

Hmm.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Congo Cash on Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:20 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Obviously we are keeping D12 because if we kept MDA we would be racist.

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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Neo on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:12 pm

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:The season is a lost cause? Come on man, were not even half way through the games.
If Phil were coaching, they'd have a shot. With Mike D., it might as well be Mike B...
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby trodgers on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:39 pm

Rare Neo in LD post! What's up with your sig?
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:03 pm

I want to state for the record that I literally laughed, ran to the bathroom pointed at myself and laughed some more and then sat in quiet for 20 minutes wondering what the world came to.......... so much so that I typed this run-on sentence in response to the "WTF" I just read.
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby Sirron on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:55 am

nonsense
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Re: It's Dwight or D'Antoni...Can't keep both.

Postby MC on Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:26 am

I think it's a little too early for chicken little to be running around the neighborhood screaming the sky is falling.

This was NEVER going to be instant success......... one would have to be very naive to think otherwise.

They are sitting right around the same level as we saw the Heat when they first put together their "super team". It takes time, this is not fantasy Bball or 2K13...............
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