Dwight's camp wanted Kobe amestied

Dwight's camp wanted Kobe amestied

Postby The Rock on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:53 pm

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9468452/dwight-howard-wanted-end-kobe-bryant-era-los-angeles-lakers

Interesting read

- Dwight was unhappy that Lakers didnt give timeline of when Dwight will become the man
- Lakers weren't going heaving and earth to re-sign him, like they went to the exten to re-sign Kobe in 04

Dwight Howard's distaste for the offense and approach of coach Mike D'Antoni is widely cited as the biggest trigger in his decision to leave the Los Angeles Lakers. But another key factor that led the All-Star center to the Houston Rockets was the Lakers' refusal to establish a clear timetable for moving on from the Kobe Bryant era, according to sources with knowledge of Howard's thinking.

Sources told ESPN.com that Howard and his representatives -- in a handful of meetings with Lakers officials before he became a free agent July 1 -- strongly suggested the center would have a difficult time re-signing with Los Angeles if Bryant stayed with the franchise beyond the 2013-14 season, the final year of his contract.

The Lakers, almost from the moment Howard arrived in August 2012, had gone to great lengths to assure the 27-year-old that they saw him as the future face of the franchise and that the torch would be passed from Bryant to him in short order.

But with Bryant saying publicly just a week before free agency that he was thinking of playing at least two or three more seasons, it was hard for Howard to envision when he would assume that role, sources said.

"How can it be Kobe's team and Dwight's team?" one source said. "It was about the passing of the torch."

As an offshoot of those discussions, sources said, Howard's camp at one point asked the Lakers whether they were at least considering releasing Bryant through the league's amnesty provision, since Bryant's return date from Achilles tendon surgery remained in question.


ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reported last month that Howard and All-Star point guard Chris Paul had discussions before free agency about trying to land with the same team. Howard and Paul had interest in playing together in Los Angeles, with either the Lakers or the Clippers, or with the Atlanta Hawks, sources said.

Amnestying Bryant and shopping Pau Gasol and Steve Nash to teams with salary-cap space would have allowed the Lakers to try to recruit Paul in free agency. But the Lakers, sources said, made it clear the prospect of releasing Bryant via amnesty or simply trying to lay out a finite timetable on the end of his career with the franchise was not under consideration, believing those decisions should and would be made by Bryant.

Bryant made it clear from the first day of training camp this past season that the Lakers were his team, and he saw it as his responsibility to prepare Howard for that responsibility one day. Howard stated that he was anxious to learn from Bryant, Nash and Gasol. Both Howard and Bryant were amenable to that arrangement early, but as the season wore on, it became clear to Howard that there wouldn't be a clean transfer of power, sources said.

"I just really think the timing in L.A., it wasn't right for me," Howard told ESPNLosAngeles.com last Friday. "Maybe two years ago, or 2-3 years from now, it would have been the right time. But I just think right now the timing was off for me. That's not saying that L.A. is a bad place, but I just think it's all about timing and fit when you're talking about basketball. You can put anybody together on the court and expect them to win, but the pieces have to really fit in order for a team to be successful and it was very, very tough, man. It's probably one of the toughest decisions I've ever had to make in my life."

The Lakers, as ESPN.com has reported, were similarly unwilling to make a coaching change, even if it would have boosted their chances of retaining Howard, who has since publicly confirmed, in an interview with Hoopsworld.com, that he asked the Lakers to hire Phil Jackson in November.

"I think that we had our moments, but I think that his style was a little bit different than what I was accustomed to," Howard told ESPNLosAngeles.com of D'Antoni. "But I don't want to blame any of that on the coach as the reason why I'm leaving."

Howard also didn't feel especially close with anyone in the Lakers' organization outside of general manager Mitch Kupchak, sources said. One source added that Howard had concerns about how the Lakers planned to market him after being disappointed with the franchise in that aspect last season.

In his first public comments since Howard's departure, Bryant said Wednesday that he wasn't going to "waste my time trying to figure out what happened" and that he was "happy" for Howard, who "made the decision he feels is best for him."

"I think everybody is cut differently," Bryant said. "[Howard] has his way of leading that he feels like would be most effective and would work for him, and obviously the way we've gone about it with this organization and the leaders that we've had -- myself, Magic [Johnson] and Kareem [Abdul-Jabbar] -- we've done it a different way."

A handful of teams around the league, sources say, now believe Howard's decision to go to Houston had been set for weeks and that his meetings last week with potential suitors had little to no chance to change his mind.

Sources close to Howard counter that the decision was largely clinched by the fact that he felt his best and earliest chance to win his first championship would be realized by teaming up with James Harden, Chandler Parsons and coach Kevin McHale with the Rockets.

Golden State and Dallas made strong impressions on him in their pitch meetings, sources said, but ultimately Howard felt most comfortable, and much more enthusiastic about trying to win in Houston.

Sources close to Howard nonetheless insist the Lakers and the extra $30 million they could offer him were hard to turn down. Howard had developed a close relationship with Kupchak in the center's year with the team and intended to inform the GM in person of his decision after flying back to Los Angeles from Colorado, a source said.

Howard called the Mavericks and Warriors earlier in the day -- while his representative told the Hawks the night before -- so those teams could move on with their business in a timely fashion. By the time Howard landed late Friday evening, though, it had already been widely reported that he had decided on Houston, and Howard simply called Kupchak to deliver the news, a source said.
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Re: Dwight's camp wanted Kobe amestied

Postby LOSLAKERS on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:54 pm

Glad he's gone :jam2:
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Postby Psychobroker on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:56 pm

And people around here thought Bynum was worse. :bang: I'm glad this self-absorbing jerk is GONE.
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Postby TIME on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:57 pm

What.A.Knucklehead.
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Postby 432J on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:58 pm

:man10: :man10: :man10:

so glad this POS is gone. coming here for one lousy season and expecting the team to part ways with one of the greatest players in team history? yeah sure buddy
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Postby OX1947 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:00 pm

His team, my team, your team. STUPID AHOLES
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Postby dak22 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:02 pm

Bynum is now a saint in comparison.

It takes a whole new level of D-Baggery to want to kick out someone who's accomplished so much for the city of LA despite the ups and downs, especially when said person as not accomplished anything in comparison.
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Postby Mr. Bryant on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:07 pm

even though its ESPN, you don't need a rocket scientist to believe this. Its Dwgiht's MO to a tee
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:11 pm

Told you guys the MDA crap was cover for his issues with Kobe......
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:19 pm

Well this is the huge pb I see going forward ... a young star won't come here to play 2nd fiddle to an old and stubborn Kobe ...

Kobe has done a LOT for our franchise but I will move on from him after this upcoming season .... the "me 1st " attitude ( whether it's salary wise or on the floor ) will get us stucked in mediocrity .
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:23 pm

Not surprised
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Postby The Rock on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:28 pm

Why are these prima donna issues are coming up? who cares whos team is it is? You play your position and let Kobe play his. WTF man

WHy is he so worried about being the man and then running to Houston knowing Harden is gonna be the no.1 option, take the most shots and be the offensive center piece of the team?

Just makes no sense

He ran away from the pressure, he ran to a better situation for 2013 without giving the Lakers a chance to rebuild through the 2014 summer...and the spin job continues where they point the finger at everyone else but him. Ridiculous

I guess all those rumors were true...He is afraid of public perception, scared of the Shaq comparisons and his phonecall with Kobe where he wanted him to play like the champ Tyson Chandler
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:30 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Well this is the huge pb I see going forward ... a young star won't come here to play 2nd fiddle to an old and stubborn Kobe ...

Kobe has done a LOT for our franchise but I will move on from him after this upcoming season .... the "me 1st " attitude ( whether it's salary wise or on the floor ) will get us stucked in mediocrity .


It's a problem for the young stars that we really don't need....... Young stars joined in Miami and shared the spotlight just fine...... The result are working out fairly well.

Clowns like Howard are the real "me first" stubborn players here.... Not the 17 year vet who's probably the best player in the history of the best franchise in the history of the league.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:31 pm

The Rock wrote:Why are these prima donna issues are coming up? who cares whos team is it is? You play your position and let Kobe play his. WTF man

WHy is he so worried about being the man and then running to Houston knowing Harden is gonna be the no.1 option, take the most shots and be the offensive center piece of the team?

Just makes no sense

He ran away from the pressure, he ran to a better situation for 2013 without giving the Lakers a chance to rebuild through the 2014 summer...and the spin job continues where they point the finger at everyone else but him. Ridiculous

I guess all those rumors were true...He is afraid of public perception, scared of the Shaq comparisons and his phonecall with Kobe where he wanted him to play like the champ Tyson Chandler

cause Dwight represents the new era of players. Give him all the credit, power and respect before he ever earned it. Dwight wanted to be coddled and loved at all cost. His image is more important than his success in my opinion. It shows with all these reports.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:34 pm

farewell to that bozo
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:38 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Well this is the huge pb I see going forward ... a young star won't come here to play 2nd fiddle to an old and stubborn Kobe ...

Kobe has done a LOT for our franchise but I will move on from him after this upcoming season .... the "me 1st " attitude ( whether it's salary wise or on the floor ) will get us stucked in mediocrity .


It's a problem for the young stars that we really don't need....... Young stars joined in Miami and shared the spotlight just fine...... The result are working out fairly well.

Clowns like Howard are the real "me first" stubborn players here.... Not the 17 year vet who's probably the best player in the history of the best franchise in the history of the league.


No doubt about Howard but the pb goes way beyond him .... you think Lebron or KD would come here to play 2nd fiddle to a 17th year veteran Kobe while they are now both better players ?
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Postby The Rock on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:38 pm

You know what the funny thing is? We actually slowed the pace down here with the Lakers....in Houston, they run up and down, they jack up 3s, they run their offense around ideally taking/making corner 3s, fastbreak, I think they're tops in the league in pace. They dont give a rip about defense always cherry picking and they havent' addressed those needs this year in the perimeter. All the issues he complained about here are gonna come up there....if they slow the offense down it doesnt help for HOU, other than Harden who can make some difficult shots they dont have any half court effective players
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Postby The Rock on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:39 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Well this is the huge pb I see going forward ... a young star won't come here to play 2nd fiddle to an old and stubborn Kobe ...

Kobe has done a LOT for our franchise but I will move on from him after this upcoming season .... the "me 1st " attitude ( whether it's salary wise or on the floor ) will get us stucked in mediocrity .


It's a problem for the young stars that we really don't need....... Young stars joined in Miami and shared the spotlight just fine...... The result are working out fairly well.

Clowns like Howard are the real "me first" stubborn players here.... Not the 17 year vet who's probably the best player in the history of the best franchise in the history of the league.


No doubt about Howard but the pb goes way beyond him .... you think Lebron or KD would come here to play 2nd fiddle to a 17th year veteran Kobe while they are now both better players ?



why wouldn't Kobe relinquish? He did it in the olympics, he won 3 titles with Shaq doing that

Theres enough track record.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:41 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Well this is the huge pb I see going forward ... a young star won't come here to play 2nd fiddle to an old and stubborn Kobe ...

Kobe has done a LOT for our franchise but I will move on from him after this upcoming season .... the "me 1st " attitude ( whether it's salary wise or on the floor ) will get us stucked in mediocrity .


It's a problem for the young stars that we really don't need....... Young stars joined in Miami and shared the spotlight just fine...... The result are working out fairly well.

Clowns like Howard are the real "me first" stubborn players here.... Not the 17 year vet who's probably the best player in the history of the best franchise in the history of the league.


No doubt about Howard but the pb goes way beyond him .... you think Lebron or KD would come here to play 2nd fiddle to a 17th year veteran Kobe while they are now both better players ?

you actually think that Dwight is better than Kobe? Really? KD would play 2nd fiddle because he damn near does for Westbrook. Also, Lebron himself takes plenty of backseat time to Wade and Co even though Lebron is far and away the better player. That question doesn't work. Dwight did nothing to warrent being the 1st fiddle on this team. Hell he wont be first fiddle on the Rockets.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:43 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Well this is the huge pb I see going forward ... a young star won't come here to play 2nd fiddle to an old and stubborn Kobe ...

Kobe has done a LOT for our franchise but I will move on from him after this upcoming season .... the "me 1st " attitude ( whether it's salary wise or on the floor ) will get us stucked in mediocrity .


It's a problem for the young stars that we really don't need....... Young stars joined in Miami and shared the spotlight just fine...... The result are working out fairly well.

Clowns like Howard are the real "me first" stubborn players here.... Not the 17 year vet who's probably the best player in the history of the best franchise in the history of the league.


No doubt about Howard but the pb goes way beyond him .... you think Lebron or KD would come here to play 2nd fiddle to a 17th year veteran Kobe while they are now both better players ?

You're assuming Kobe has the same lack of respect for them. You seem to ignore the many all time greats that are essentially saying that Howard is the one who doesn't have a clue.... Yet Kobe should differ?..... I think he'll be just fine when a player comes here who wants to work with him.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:44 pm

^^^^ when did I say D12 was better than Kobe :man3:
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Postby LakerFan1235 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:44 pm

Every time I begin to ask, "Is he really as great as I think he is?" ...He proves that he is.
Every time I begin to wonder...He proves it...That is why I won't lose hope in him.
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Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:46 pm

Lol what a clown, bring some offensive skill set and up your free throw percentage before you start to think you're as valuable as kobe to this franchise
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Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:47 pm

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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:56 pm

Dwight the brat wanted everything:

1) the 1st option on his team
2) the most money
3) the respect deserving of a champion
4) the best coach to come out of retirement to coach him
5) everyone to love him
6) the most talented player on his team to be him

I've never seen the like, outside of a narcissistic 5 year old. Unrealistic expectations, with no regard or respect for the accomplished people around him. Good riddance. I hope he wins nothing in his long journey of team-hopping every 2-3 years.
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