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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:18 pm

JSM wrote:Another FT neato stat of the night
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Dwight Howard is 27 years old. When Tim Duncan was 27, he shot 59.9% from the FT line. This year at age 36? Duncan's FT %: 80%


..... This isn't complete without this....

Dwight Howard as a 19 year old rookie....67%. (Before everyone propped him up as a great player and he had to work to prove himself)

Dwight Howard as a 27 year old NBA vet. 48% (complacent in the fact that his performance from the line will have nothing to do with him getting endorsements and a max contract)

That stupid tweet compares Howard's work ethic to that of an all time great..... Duncan should be insulted by this more than Lakers fans should be encouraged by it. In 8 years Howard is getting worse so we're supposed to believe it's now going to not only reverse but end up at that level? :man10:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby OX1947 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:27 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Ireland doesn't know what he's talking about as usual ...

-1st you couldn't choose more different players than Timoty Theodore and Dwight as Doc said

- Duncan has had mental issues from the charity stripe ....AND there is absolutely ZERO consistency in Timmy Fts numbers through the years ... he may shot 65% from the line next season and it wouldn't be a surprise.

- D12 is getting worse for 2 seasons now .... going from 59% to 49% ... not a good sign at all


Who the hell is Timoty Theodore?
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:28 pm

Helljumper wrote:
therealdeal wrote::man10:

He's right. It's not a rivalry and will never be one because the Clippers are one of the most garbage franchises in sports history and will never come close to beating the Lakers in anything significant.


Fixed that for you.

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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby XXIV on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:30 pm

^^Timothy Theodore "Tim" Duncan

Other than the fact Dwight's FT shooting is all mental, I feel he uses way too much wrist and doesn't have a solid follow through motion. I don't think you can be all too accurate just flicking the ball with your wrist.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby OX1947 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:35 pm

XXIV wrote:^^Timothy Theodore "Tim" Duncan

Other than the fact Dwight's FT shooting is all mental, I feel he uses way too much wrist and doesn't have a solid follow through motion. I don't think you can be all too accurate just flicking the ball with your wrist.


Just do this next time.

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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby charvin on Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:06 pm

Right on. Having just finished a Sports Psych course, I definitely think it's the mental aspect that's still bothering him and I feel he needs to change his practice surroundings to mimic real game situations (the time it takes to get the ball back, noise, etc.) as well as the follow through motion you brought up. However, at this stage, it's all but given that he can't change it because he's too used to his current 'flicking' of the ball.

He did the stepping back from the foul line, but that didn't work out and now he's just back at the foul line.

XXIV wrote:^^Timothy Theodore "Tim" Duncan

Other than the fact Dwight's FT shooting is all mental, I feel he uses way too much wrist and doesn't have a solid follow through motion. I don't think you can be all too accurate just flicking the ball with your wrist.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby trodgers on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:17 am

Dwight's season was marred by missed games and injury, but he has still done something very few Lakers have done. He has 1100 points and 850 rebounds. This has been done 28 times by Lakers.

Baylor 9
Kareem 4
Mikan 4
Wilt 3
Lovellette 2
Shaq 2
Dwight 1
Hairston 1
Foust 1
Vlade 1

He'll likely reach 1200/900: This has been done only 20 times.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:59 am

trodgers wrote:Dwight's season was marred by missed games and injury, but he has still done something very few Lakers have done. He has 1100 points and 850 rebounds. This has been done 28 times by Lakers.

Baylor 9
Kareem 4
Mikan 4
Wilt 3
Lovellette 2
Shaq 2
Dwight 1
Hairston 1
Foust 1
Vlade 1

He'll likely reach 1200/900: This has been done only 20 times.


Granted he's put up stats..... If we're playing Fantasy Basketball that would be much more relative. Instead we're fighting for every win in very close games where he's missing 5 to 8 free throws. 24, 20 with 6 blocks means nothing if he missed 7 free throws and can't be involved in the offense for the last 5 minutes of a game.... which is the case on most nights.

I've said it before..... Howard is a great player but not a leading player on a championship team. He's not going to improve his free throw shooting much the rest of his career IMO.... the example of Duncan is actually more emblematic of that than it is an indicator that he can change it. Duncan is known as the "Big Fundamental" and has survived in the NBA without exceptional athleticism. He has worked his butt off to get where he's gotten. Howard is largely the same player he was 5 years ago. No progress in anything because he relies on others to create for him and his athletic ability.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby The Rock on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:02 pm

We lost today because of Dwight. 4 rebounds are you friggin kidding me??? 16 offensive rebounds allowed. That right there is the game
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Weezy on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:14 pm

I can't put the entire loss on Dwight, especially considering he scored 25 points and shot 9-13 on free throws. 4 rebounds is terrible, but it happens I guess.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby baller4life on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:19 pm

Chris paul has 5 rebs, Lamar also has more than dwight in 11 min off the bench. Thats not accaptable in such huge game.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:29 pm

offense wise dwight had a good game i guess. but the entire game he wasnt really engaged. didnt really care to grab a board. like at all. barely jumped for them, and when he did it was just tipping it around.

being as that we lost the game mostly bc of giving them so many 2nd chance points and pretty upset and dwight for not trying and putting a ton of effort on the glass.

defense was good at some points but we kept giving them big runs. like the first quarter i was surprised until we gave them a huge run.

dwight needed to be aggressive on the boards and he wasnt.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:29 pm

4 boards is just not acceptable. Good offensive game, but did not get those vital boards that gave them second and third chances at times. That was the biggest issue in this loss. If he even got his average amount of boards that would have been the difference maker out there for us.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:34 pm

He was off. He was frustrated and he allowed his frustration to sap his energy. Hopefully he realizes this.

He was getting absolutely butchered, I know, but he cannot allow himself to NOT to dominate the glass. That HAS to be his domain.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby JSM on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:39 pm

The Rock wrote:We lost today because of Dwight. 4 rebounds are you friggin kidding me??? 16 offensive rebounds allowed. That right there is the game

Couldn't disagree more. The stat line and game show two very different things (not claiming you didn't see the game, just a preemptive response to whatever blame D12 receives for not rebounding in this game).

I said this in Gameday and I'll say it again here...the biggest difference in rebounding between the two teams is the fact the Clipps gang rebound and all of them make multiple efforts to chase down or poke away the rebound. Every time a ball comes off the rim there are three Clippers there to grab the rebound. For us, it's Dwight and Dwight alone. Everyone else stands around expecting him to get it or with their hands in their pockets. To a degree, we have to do that. Lakers can't have three players going for a rebound because if they don't get it they are waaay too slow to get back on D and it'll be a fast break show all night for the other team. It's the complete opposite for the Clipps. They can afford to swarm the ball and secure the rebound AND still get back on D. They're young, long, athletic....we're ancient and slow.

Also every time Dwight had to come out to help on CP3 or on the P&R not a single Laker rotated over or covered the paint. Pau and Jamison just stood on the perimeter looking baffled when someone got to the rim. Defense 101 states that when someone has to help, someone else has to slide over and cover that spot. Lakers refuse to rotate.

I thought Dwight did what he could against them. His D and blocking looked phenomenal in the 3rd. He also did a fantastic job with his FTs -- 9/13
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:48 pm

pau rebounded (for once). kobe rebounded. blake even rebounded. dwight did not. has nothing to do with the other clippers. yes they gang rebound but its dwight's lack of effort and energy on the boards for him not getting rebounds.

defensive rotations were bad but thats still not the reason we lost. it was 2nd or even 3rd chances given to the clippers each possession. pau kobe blake did their part and put effort into it. dwight didnt tonight. and that was a huge part of the loss. not to mention guys couldnt hit a WIDE open shot to save their lives.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby SK8 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:56 pm

That right hand shot have some serious work to do this summer.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby JSM on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:57 pm

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Dwight was not happy, saying repeatedly that Lakers need to "play the right way as a team."
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Finwë on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Terrible game on the defensive side. Didn't come out on pick and rolls, and didn't box out nor try hard for boards, which are musts against the Clippers..
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby last stand on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:22 pm

I'm guessing Dwight is talking about defensive rotations considering he had 14 shots which was 2nd on the team. I'm guessing he's mad about the ridiculous rotations our 4s do
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby JSM on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:24 pm

^ I'm guessing D and communication, the two issues he usually has when the team doesn't "play the right way" on that side of the ball.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Finwë on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:24 pm

JSM wrote:
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Dwight was not happy, saying repeatedly that Lakers need to "play the right way as a team."

Is this about Kobe? And offense?
Kobe did "take over" for a small stretch, but we were already down double digits and nobody was hitting shots..
The offense flowed pretty well 90% of the game, the bigger problem was on the defensive side, terrible coverage on P&R and not rebounding.

Unless he wasn't talking about offense or Kobe and talking about team D and rebounding.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Herm24 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:27 pm

We were missing Metta today
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby SK8 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:28 pm

Great, now Dwight is pissed....

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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Weezy on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:31 pm

Uncle Drew wrote:Great, now Dwight is pissed....

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I'd see that as a positive, we want Dwight to hate losing, to hate getting blown out, not want to miss the playoffs.
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