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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby JGC on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:44 pm

Man, this is crazy. If Bynum were healthy and putting up 22 and 12 like he probably would with the 76ers, I bet they wouldn't even take Howard for Bynum back. LOL. What a weird season.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby thkthebest on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:45 pm

Imo, he's turning the ball over so damn much because he can't hit his free throws at a decent rate. Teams can mug him all they want. They'll whack his arm without a moment's hesitation. Best case scenario for them: they get away with it and steal the ball. Worst case scenario: Dwight splits his free throws.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:51 pm

Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:52 pm

revgen wrote:
Ludachris wrote:On a side note, when was the last time a team won a championship using a dominant big man as their first or second option on offense? I mean truly dependent upon that big man to score points and be the defensive anchor.


Duncan


Duncan is a face-up PF.... not a center even though he played the position from time to time.

Teams with true, back to the basket, Centers that have won the championship in recent years are few and far between. Shaq and Hakeem are the only ones that come to mind in the last 20 years. David Robinson won one but he was not exactly the primary player on that team.

In today's game it is very difficult to have a true center as your primary offensive player. The defenses and rule changes in recent years make it difficult to establish a center like you could years ago. Combine that with the fact that there are so few 7 footers that can even play with their back to the basket and it's becoming a lost art.

Bynum and maybe Hibbert are the only ones that have the skill that I can think of in today's game. Howard is close but as we have all found out his post game needs a lot of room and a willing defender to have success. He's much more of an offensive threat in broken floor situations and on the move.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:53 pm

odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Bynum won 2 championships with Kobe
Shaq won 2 championships with Kobe
Pau won 2 championships with Kobe


You're right..... there is a pattern......
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Bynum won 2 championships with Kobe
Shaq won 2 championships with Kobe
Pau won 2 championships with Kobe


You're right..... there is a pattern......


Kobe's 34 this season, no longer younger. Share the ball to youngsters and let the best center in the league to shoot more. 5 shots ?
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby DMK on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:59 pm

Trade him for Kevin Love .....problem solved. POC!

He WILL NOT Resign next year anyways, he NEVER WAS. duhhh :freak2:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:00 pm

odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Right, give all those touches and shots to Dwight he's so effing skilled in there to get them off.

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:03 pm

DMK wrote:Trade him for Kevin Love .....problem solved. POC!

He WILL NOT Resign next year anyways, he NEVER WAS. duhhh :freak2:


^ Whoa, haven't seen you post in a minute! But yeah, they honeymoon for me & Dwight is over, and I'd at LEAST make some calls...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:04 pm

odom1year wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Bynum won 2 championships with Kobe
Shaq won 2 championships with Kobe
Pau won 2 championships with Kobe


You're right..... there is a pattern......


Kobe's 34 this season, no longer younger. Share the ball to youngsters and let the best center in the league to shoot more. 5 shots ?


Have you been watching the games?..... if so I'm not sure if you understand the game or the Center position. In the post, with his back to the basket.... Howard is no where close to the best in the league.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:07 pm

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odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Right, give all those touches and shots to Dwight he's so effing skilled in there to get them off.

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Kobe had 17 field goals with 54 attemps in last 2 games. Did D12 get total 17 attempts in last 2 games ? It's sad.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby kobe_mamba on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:15 pm

odom1year......clearly you have an agenda against Kobe '5 Rings' Bryant.... :bang:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Armani on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:17 pm

odom1year wrote:
LTLakerFan wrote:
odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Right, give all those touches and shots to Dwight he's so effing skilled in there to get them off.

:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:


Kobe had 17 field goals with 54 attemps in last 2 games. Did D12 get total 17 attempts in last 2 games ? It's sad.



20% turnover rate, 50 FT%, steadily decline post efficiency. Why would anyone give D12 more attempts than he's getting? It's going to sound crazy, but the offense will be worse.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby JGC on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Armani wrote:
odom1year wrote:
LTLakerFan wrote:
odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Right, give all those touches and shots to Dwight he's so effing skilled in there to get them off.

:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:


Kobe had 17 field goals with 54 attemps in last 2 games. Did D12 get total 17 attempts in last 2 games ? It's sad.



20% turnover rate, 50 FT%, steadily decline post efficiency. Why would anyone give D12 more attempts than he's getting? It's going to sound crazy, but the offense will be worse.


Well, the idea is that you'd give him better looks. Not the same ineffective looks he's getting now.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:26 pm

JGC wrote:Well, the idea is that you'd give him better looks. Not the same ineffective looks he's getting now.


You don't think we've been trying to give him better looks?.... the only thing he's able to convert on a consistent basis is a lob right now. His back to the basket game isn't good.... even by his standards. He can't seem to create a shot at all in the paint by himself either.... every time he moves with the ball he loses it one way or another as well.

Not so sure how he could be getting better looks with the team we have.... it isn't as if we have 3 floor spacers and a super quick point guard out there....
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby JGC on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:30 pm

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JGC wrote:Well, the idea is that you'd give him better looks. Not the same ineffective looks he's getting now.


You don't think we've been trying to give him better looks?.... the only thing he's able to convert on a consistent basis is a lob right now. His back to the basket game isn't good.... even by his standards. He can't seem to create a shot at all in the paint by himself either.... every time he moves with the ball he loses it one way or another as well.

Not so sure how he could be getting better looks with the team we have.... it isn't as if we have 3 floor spacers and a super quick point guard out there....


Every other team we play against, is able to get a couple of lob plays for their bigs per game. I don't even remember the last time we got a lob play for Dwight.

I do agree with you though, we don't really have the players needed to properly space the floor. And running PnR with Dwight doesn't work because he has no handles and routinely gets stripped.

It's just sad that DeAndre Jordan gets only 4 fewer FGs per game than Dwight Howard.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:32 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Bynum won 2 championships with Kobe
Shaq won 2 championships with Kobe
Pau won 2 championships with Kobe


You're right..... there is a pattern......


LMAO... This kid doesn't even watch the games. All he cares about is that its Kobe's fault. What is funny is that Kobe/Shaq both averaged nearly 25 shots a game. As for Kobe/Bynum um Drew only became a force the last 2 years of his time here. As for Kobe/Pau that is all on Pau who choses not to be aggressive. Yes, Kobe is obviously the problem. Thanks to Odom1year for opening our eyes :bow:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby revgen on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:33 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Ludachris wrote:On a side note, when was the last time a team won a championship using a dominant big man as their first or second option on offense? I mean truly dependent upon that big man to score points and be the defensive anchor.


Duncan


Duncan is a face-up PF.... not a center even though he played the position from time to time.

Teams with true, back to the basket, Centers that have won the championship in recent years are few and far between. Shaq and Hakeem are the only ones that come to mind in the last 20 years. David Robinson won one but he was not exactly the primary player on that team.

In today's game it is very difficult to have a true center as your primary offensive player. The defenses and rule changes in recent years make it difficult to establish a center like you could years ago. Combine that with the fact that there are so few 7 footers that can even play with their back to the basket and it's becoming a lost art.

Bynum and maybe Hibbert are the only ones that have the skill that I can think of in today's game. Howard is close but as we have all found out his post game needs a lot of room and a willing defender to have success. He's much more of an offensive threat in broken floor situations and on the move.


He didn't say back-to-the-basket. He simply mentioned "dominant" which IMO Duncan was at least up until the 2005 championship. I do agree that Duncan was more of a faceup guy than a B2B player.

I think Bynum is capable of being dominant offensively once he learns to pass out of the double-teams. He'll never be a Hakeem Olujuwon defensively, but I think he can be as good if not better than Shaq if he used as a shotblocker instead of a hedger.

I agree about Hibbert defensively. Offensively, sometimes he's not as aggressive as he should be.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby JGC on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:37 pm

^ Also, Dallas won with Dirk. He was dominant, and he is a big man.

He wasn't the defensive anchor though, that was Chandler.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby revgen on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:41 pm

JGC wrote:^ Also, Dallas won with Dirk. He was dominant, and he is a big man.

He wasn't the defensive anchor though, that was Chandler.


Dirk was not dominant defensively. He wasn't a 2-way player like Duncan and Shaq.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:42 pm

kobe_mamba wrote:odom1year......clearly you have an agenda against Kobe '5 Rings' Bryant.... :bang:


Not sure you care about Lakers winning chance or Kobe's shooting chance. At this point, atleast it proved too much shooting on Kobe was not the way to win. You don't realize we have easy win when Kobe shoots under 20 shots !?
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:44 pm

JGC wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
JGC wrote:Well, the idea is that you'd give him better looks. Not the same ineffective looks he's getting now.


You don't think we've been trying to give him better looks?.... the only thing he's able to convert on a consistent basis is a lob right now. His back to the basket game isn't good.... even by his standards. He can't seem to create a shot at all in the paint by himself either.... every time he moves with the ball he loses it one way or another as well.

Not so sure how he could be getting better looks with the team we have.... it isn't as if we have 3 floor spacers and a super quick point guard out there....


Every other team we play against, is able to get a couple of lob plays for their bigs per game. I don't even remember the last time we got a lob play for Dwight.

I do agree with you though, we don't really have the players needed to properly space the floor. And running PnR with Dwight doesn't work because he has no handles and routinely gets stripped.

It's just sad that DeAndre Jordan gets only 4 fewer FGs per game than Dwight Howard.


I know you have an agenda but come on it is obvious you understand the game better than the crap you are spewing right now. Hell I'll bite anyway.

The difference is two things:

1. A lot of Lobs are created off of great picks and off the ball moving.
2. The problem the Lakers have over those teams (and with Mikes system) is they do not move without the ball. Dwight, Like Drew did, only sets up once not mulitple times like Shaq did on the floor. Its a shame that DeAndre moves without the ball so well.

Bonus: Jordon doesn't have the benefit of getting so many foul shots as Dwight. Although when he does it usually is part of an And1 and not 2 free throws like it is for Dwight most of the time.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:48 pm

Armani wrote:
odom1year wrote:
LTLakerFan wrote:
odom1year wrote:Shaq complained Kobe's shooting.
Bynum complained Kobe's shooting.
Pau complained Kobe's shooting.
And now D12 complained Kobe's shooting.

Kobe, please don't shoot too much. Keep the team alive for playoffs please !


Right, give all those touches and shots to Dwight he's so effing skilled in there to get them off.

:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:


Kobe had 17 field goals with 54 attemps in last 2 games. Did D12 get total 17 attempts in last 2 games ? It's sad.



20% turnover rate, 50 FT%, steadily decline post efficiency. Why would anyone give D12 more attempts than he's getting? It's going to sound crazy, but the offense will be worse.


Kobe had most turnovers in last 2 games and shot at 30 FG%. The point is D12 doesn't have enough chances in offense while Kobe has too much with a low efficient rate.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:49 pm

odom1year wrote:
kobe_mamba wrote:odom1year......clearly you have an agenda against Kobe '5 Rings' Bryant.... :bang:


Not sure you care about Lakers winning chance or Kobe's shooting chance. At this point, atleast it proved too much shooting on Kobe was not the way to win. You don't realize we have easy win when Kobe shoots under 20 shots !?


you do realize that is the dumbest statement I have heard today? Since the box scores don't show what happens in the game I'll help you. The Lakers problems aren't offensive they average more than 100 points a game. It is....wait for it... the damn defense. Offensive side of the ball is: Off ball movement, missed open shots and TURNOVERS you know what happens to our center 50% of the time he goes for an offensive move.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:51 pm

odom1year wrote:
Kobe had most turnovers in last 2 games and shot at 30 FG%. The point is D12 doesn't have enough chances in offense while Kobe has too much with a low efficient rate.


Translation: The box score said Kobe didn't play well but Dwight did so give him the ball more. Simple.
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