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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby phoenixrisingla on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:47 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
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therealdeal wrote: 3. If Howard were to walk this summer, oh well. Our rebuild goes through and is EVEN MORE POTENT. We then move Nash's contract (if he hasn't retired by then), and we have literally NOTHING on the books. We are free to do ANYTHING we want.


I would agree for the most part because of point 3, but I don't agree that trading Dwight is stupid in a few cases. Like if you could get Kevin Love for him, I think that would be more awesome than stupid.

What makes everyone so confident we will have a potent rebuild in 2014?

Like I said in the past the Lakers have usually gotten TOP-tier players via free agency when we're pretty good and on the cusp of being great.

Frankly, we are not good or great today. I don't know if trading Pau will turn us from *this* to good but if it does, then sure. Re-sign Dwight, renegotiate contracts, and contend.


I think an infusion of just 1-2 guys could make us a good team right now. You never know how these things happen, all of the sudden the vibe and culture of a team starts changing from just a couple guys doing great things.

I think that could get us to being a playoff team and put us in a good place with the expiring contracts we'll have coming off the books in 2014 to make a run at someone great to put us over the top.

This is how it works out in my mind. :man10:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:49 pm

Agreed. Especially the infusion of a better coach! Haha but in all seriousness, that could work.

But if we lose Dwight this summer......see my post above.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:52 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
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therealdeal wrote: 3. If Howard were to walk this summer, oh well. Our rebuild goes through and is EVEN MORE POTENT. We then move Nash's contract (if he hasn't retired by then), and we have literally NOTHING on the books. We are free to do ANYTHING we want.


I would agree for the most part because of point 3, but I don't agree that trading Dwight is stupid in a few cases. Like if you could get Kevin Love for him, I think that would be more awesome than stupid.

What makes everyone so confident we will have a potent rebuild in 2014?

Like I said in the past the Lakers have usually gotten TOP-tier players via free agency when we're pretty good and on the cusp of being great.

Frankly, we are not good or great today. I don't know if trading Pau will turn us from *this* to good but if it does, then sure. Re-sign Dwight, renegotiate contracts, and contend.


Unless I'm way off in my math..... we have a roster near 100M right now.... In 2014 everyone's off the books..... So the MOST we can spend is the Cap amount. We have no picks to pay other than a couple second rounders before then as well. So we will have to spend the CAP amount plus the Exception (I think it will be available to us) to get a team of 13 to 14 players. If we attract one or two top tier FA will will be filling the roster out with Vet Min players I'm afraid.

Our problem is that we have no young players that are developing and no picks to get them. In 2014 through 2016 we will be at or near the salary cap and have no pieces to trade other than the one or two valuable guys we sign.... so I'm not sure how we are going to BUILD at that time unless we trade some of the current team for young players that actually belong at this level and picks.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:57 pm

We still have our 2014 1st rounder if I looked it up correctly.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:38 pm

Doc Brown wrote:We still have our 2014 1st rounder if I looked it up correctly.


That's better than I thought.... but I'm still not sure how the 2014 plan can net us more than we could get by trading for talent and picks now.... It seems that our payroll will be very close to the cap then.... I'm not sure we can put a team on the floor that can compete if we have a max player and 3 very good vets.... We'd have to hire the Sparks to fill out the roster.... Actually they may be better than some of the guys we have on the bench now..... :man10:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:53 pm

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby phoenixrisingla on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:52 pm

Still the 1st quarter, but this is the best I've seen him look all year.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:58 pm

Dwight living up to what he said before our last game so far. Great game.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:00 pm

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therealdeal wrote:1. Trading Howard is silly. Whatever we get in return doesn't make us contenders AND would likely ruin the rebuild in 2014.

2. Howard is the best big man in the game, building around him is a good idea.

3. If Howard were to walk this summer, oh well. Our rebuild goes through and is EVEN MORE POTENT. We then move Nash's contract (if he hasn't retired by then), and we have literally NOTHING on the books. We are free to do ANYTHING we want.


I would agree for the most part because of point 3, but I don't agree that trading Dwight is stupid in a few cases. Like if you could get Kevin Love for him, I think that would be more awesome than stupid.

Well then you move forward with Love in 2014 instead of Dwight? In 2014 you have an opportunity to have maybe both of those guys.

And I"m not sure there's a better fit next to Howard than Kevin Love in this league.
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Dwight’s Touches

Postby lyth on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:37 pm

I included the halftime report graphic with the log from tonight.

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DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (1st QTR)
  • 11:45 10-feet from Nash
  • 11:10 10-feet from Artest
  • 11:00 10-feet from Artest
  • 10:50 at-rim from Bryant
  • 9:50 def-rebound
  • 9:45 off-rebound
  • 9:15 at-rim from Bryant
  • 8:10 23-feet from Nash
  • 7:40 def-rebound
  • 7:30 at-rim from Bryant
  • 7:05 10-feet from Artest
  • 6:30 off-rebound
  • 5:55 at-rim from Bryant
  • 5:55 23-feet from Nash
  • 5:50 at-rim from Bryant
  • 5:10 10-feet from Nash
  • 4:45 at-rim from Gasol
  • 2:55 def-rebound
  • 2:20 def-rebound
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (2nd QTR)
  • 7:20 at-rim from Duhon
  • 7:05 def-rebound
  • 6:20 10-feet from Duhon
  • 6:00 def-rebound
  • 5:55 23-feet from Artest
  • 5:20 23-feet from Nash
  • 2:55 def-rebound
  • 1:55 off-rebound
  • 1:10 23-feet from Nash
  • 0:45 18-feet from Artest
  • 0:35 18-feet from Artest
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (3rd QTR)
  • 11:25 10-feet from Bryant
  • 8:20 at-rim from Clark
  • 7:05 at-rim from Nash
  • 6:10 off-rebound
  • 5:35 def-rebound
  • 5:20 15-feet from Nash
  • 4:50 10-feet from Bryant
  • 3:30 15-feet from Nash
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (4th QTR)
  • 11:50 23-feet from Clark
  • 11:35 at-rim from Gasol
  • 7:20 at-rim from Gasol
  • 6:50 15-feet from Duhon
  • 4:35 at-rim from Bryant
  • 3:40 at-rim from Clark
  • 3:05 at-rim from Nash
  • 1:25 at-rim from Bryant

Halftime Report:

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:49 pm

I don't why he wants post ups. He looks 100x better when he's getting lobs and plays where he's getting the ball with momentum towards the hoop.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:50 pm

This dude is such a faker, a frontrunner. After Kobe steals and dunks it hes the first to sprint down the court to hug him Lol SMH
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby phoenixrisingla on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:52 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I don't why he wants post ups. He looks 100x better when he's getting lobs and plays where he's getting the ball with momentum towards the hoop.


Exactly! He looked like the above-the-rim dwight howard of old tonight.

GREAT game, hope he stays dedicated to the P&R. :jam2:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:54 pm

The Rock wrote:This dude is such a faker, a frontrunner. After Kobe steals and dunks it hes the first to sprint down the court to hug him Lol SMH


Yeah front runner describes Dwight pretty well. When we're winning he's all smiles and cheering for his teammates, but lose and he becomes a horrible locker room presence.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby revgen on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:55 pm

Great game by D12 and the team tonight.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby phoenixrisingla on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:57 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
The Rock wrote:This dude is such a faker, a frontrunner. After Kobe steals and dunks it hes the first to sprint down the court to hug him Lol SMH


Yeah front runner describes Dwight pretty well. When we're winning he's all smiles and cheering for his teammates, but lose and he becomes a horrible locker room presence.


C'mon dude played great, awesome energy, stuck to the gameplan and was cheering for his teammates.

Cant we give him the night off? :man10:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Weezy on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:00 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I don't why he wants post ups. He looks 100x better when he's getting lobs and plays where he's getting the ball with momentum towards the hoop.


Pick n roll, he needs to stick with pick n roll.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:01 pm

The Rock wrote:This dude is such a faker, a frontrunner. After Kobe steals and dunks it hes the first to sprint down the court to hug him Lol SMH

i dunno. they all seemed like they were making a concerted effort to be more positive with their body language. if they do it enough, they just might start believing it.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby GoldenKnight on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:02 pm

So who wants to trade him for Hibbert or Marc Gasol still? :man10:

Seriously, Dwight played amazing today, very motivated.

You guys are calling Dwight a faker but you're just the same, only praise him when he plays well & when he has an off game you want to trade him. Give the best C in the NBA a damn break he enjoyed tonights win and team play and you should too instead of complaining.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:04 pm

I was just making an observation about his personality

He had a fantastic game today. Props. Need more of that
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:32 pm

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Dwight on his relationship with Kobe: "We've gotten along for four or five years. It's only gonna get better." (on @TWCSportsNet)


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Dwight Howard on Lakers' W over Utah: "We all had Skittles before the game." Key to beating OKC on Sunday: "More Skittles."


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Dwight Howard is smiling during the press interviews. Now THAT'S the Dwight we like to see. Great work today big guy!
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:39 pm

The dude is going to be a Laker for a long time, I'm telling ya'll. He's just sick of losing just like the rest of us are.

He's just a little more immature than the rest of us are. :man10:

By the way, the EFFORT he put out tonight is the kind of effort we need EVERY night. If he played this way every night for the entire season, I wouldn't hesitate to start making him the 1b instead of the 2.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Armani on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:40 pm

therealdeal wrote:By the way, the EFFORT he put out tonight is the kind of effort we need EVERY night. If he played this way every night for the entire season, I wouldn't hesitate to start making him the 1b instead of the 2.


This. He needs to play like this consistently if we're trusting him with the keys to our franchise.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:42 pm

Armani wrote:
therealdeal wrote:By the way, the EFFORT he put out tonight is the kind of effort we need EVERY night. If he played this way every night for the entire season, I wouldn't hesitate to start making him the 1b instead of the 2.


This. He needs to play like this consistently if we're trusting him with the keys to our franchise.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:29 am

Effort, effort, & effort. We need this every night. A mentally tuned active Dwight is a beast. Please lets see more of this every game.
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