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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby dj vitus on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:35 pm

It's a good thing Pau played very well today--usually doesn't happen consistently. If both Pau and Dwight aren't having good games, it's almost impossible to win.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby 432J on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:42 pm

it's clear he's not even near 100%

at this point, just as long as he makes over half his FT's it'll really help out
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Nikez on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:57 pm

D.B. Cooper wrote:Don't forget the usual dumb goal tend

That one looked bogus to me it looked clean.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Nikez on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:57 pm

D.B. Cooper wrote:Don't forget the usual dumb goal tend

That one looked bogus to me it looked clean.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby karacha on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:02 pm

What to do about that shoulder...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby revgen on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:03 pm

432J wrote:it's clear he's not even near 100%

at this point, just as long as he makes over half his FT's it'll really help out


And he won't be. His shoulder will need surgery during the offseason.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:04 pm

love to see him and kobe high-fiving and hugging more now. really looks like the team and them have better chemistry and unity
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:07 pm

I'm bummed to hear about the shoulder because I was hoping that he would have this upcoming off-season to really improve his game and do the things he wanted to this past off-season. I know he says he probably wont do the surgery, but I think he should even if it mean he'll need 6 months or so to recover. Heck, it could be like Lamar's injury where he didn't need that long after the surgery.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:14 pm

Yeah, it does suck to hear about his shoulder. He's had back surgery he's recovering from and now this issues comes up. I hope he doesn't excerbate it by trying to play through it...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby blinkme28 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:17 pm

I hate to say that if the team doesn't make the playoffs he should go for the surgery right away and start the rehab process. That way he''ll (assuming he resigns) he'll be close come training camp. Unfortunately that probably won't happen because he'll want to go on vacation yada, yada, yada... :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Weezy on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:19 pm

If Dwight does have surgery we're finished, but he needs to do what's best for his body and career long term. I know he said no surgery for now, but I wouldn't be mad if he did if it's required to heal.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:29 pm

Am I crazy? I thought this was the same injury Lamar had and he played through it?

At this point we can't afford to let him do it if he's able and if he won't further damage his body by playing. Until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, he should play.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:58 pm

therealdeal wrote:Am I crazy? I thought this was the same injury Lamar had and he played through it?

At this point we can't afford to let him do it if he's able and if he won't further damage his body by playing. Until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, he should play.

Exactly, but given the fact that he said in the article that he doesn't want surgery I'm still up in the air whether or not he will get it over the off-season. He definitely won't get the surgery done when we still have a chance.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby The Rock on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:00 pm

Since admitted he needs surgery on the shoulder and its not 100% I hope he plays like the old Dwight, just focus on Defense, get putbacks or what not but not many plays are gonna run through you since you have a bum shoulder. Just leave it up to Pau, Kobe and Nash and they'll find you for open buckets but bring the DPOY version of yourself of D and rebounding. He got a nice stop on Durant and Westbrook late in the game deflecting balls away

PS Im kinda gland Jeff Van Gundy owned the hell out of him tonight lol he pretty much spoke what his brother wanted to say. Thats why you left Orlando because you didnt have any help now you come into a championship situation and you're pointing to shots as a copout you know the media will buy, just because you're frustrated with your physical limitations and cant dominate anymore on either end.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby last stand on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:16 pm

I can't wait until next season when Dwight can actually train again and get back to 100%.

The screens need to improve though. In Orlando he was one of the best screen setters. It's almost like in orlando he knew hed get the ball after a screen so he made sure to set them correctly

Now it looks like he's in a rush to get inside so he's slipping ahead of time to get the ball

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:18 pm

last stand wrote:I can't wait until next season when Dwight can actually train again and get back to 100%.

The screens need to improve though. In Orlando he was one of the best screen setters. It's almost like in orlando he knew hed get the ball after a screen so he made sure to set them correctly
Now it looks like he's in a rush to get inside so he's slipping ahead of time to get the ball

At least that's my interpretation of it


The bold is true. He was a much better screen setter in Orlando...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby last stand on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:26 pm

It's probably just another selfish issue that has plagued this roster.

Dwight wants the ball or plays no defense and sets no screens
Kobe wants to eat first
Nash wants everyone to play the system
D'antoni wants everyone to fit his system
Ron artest has this delusion that he's a multifaceted scorer

Today and last game for the most part the top 4 have corrected themselves.

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:02 am

Had a very good game against the Jazz then a poor one and here comes the shoulder ...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby last stand on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:08 am

If you think this was a poor game you didn't watch. Look past the stat sheet. His defense on pick and rolls made a world of difference. The thunder were taking jump shots all game instead of their usual layups against us
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: cleared to play tonight vs Jazz

Postby charvin on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:27 am

If the shoulder problem absolutely requires surgery, he'll always have the excuse of never being 100%. If he gets surgery on his shoulder, he can't lift weights in the off-season again; if he doesn't get surgery, it'll be rested but won't be what it should be at full strength.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: shouldering the load

Postby phoenixrisingla on Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:41 am

Surprised to see so many people in here still slamming Dwight.

I for one think he's played great the last couple games and his attitude seems to have improved too.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: shouldering the load

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:45 am

Yeah he's definitely playing better. Though JVG's criticism was accurate I thought it was a little late and would've been better said a week or two ago.

Dwight definitely made a difference by being a defensive presence even if that stats don't show it.

Better attitude too.I'm fine with him playing this role until he's 100% or whatever, or as long as Kobe/Nash/Pau can shoulder the scoring.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: shouldering the load

Postby phoenixrisingla on Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:49 am

Chillbongo wrote:Yeah he's definitely playing better. Though JVG's criticism was accurate I thought it was a little late and would've been better said a week or two ago.

Dwight definitely made a difference by being a defensive presence even if that stats don't show it.

Better attitude too.I'm fine with him playing this role until he's 100% or whatever, or as long as Kobe/Nash/Pau can shoulder the scoring.


Agreed, I'm ok with just defense and effort at this point.

One negative about this free flowing offense is that it really seems to have highlighted that the only way Dwight can get pts is by being spoon fed at the hoop. Even then chances start to diminished if he cant dunk it.

Still love what I've been seeing from the big fella!
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: shouldering the load

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:51 am

The only complaint; 2-10 free-throws. Please do better then 20%...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: shouldering the load

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:53 am

phoenixrisingla wrote:Surprised to see so many people in here still slamming Dwight.

I for one think he's played great the last couple games and his attitude seems to have improved too.


Does your definition of Great include free throw shooting below his already horrific average?....

He played a decent game but to say it was "Great" would seem to indicate he would at least go above his averages in some category wouldn't you think?

He was active on defense until he got his 4th foul and then committed a pretty silly 5th one.... when he went to the bench after that we separated a little because the lane was wide open and Nash and Clark had some very easy chances off Kobe action to the weak side. This is a fact.... not a slam on Howard.

I'm sure he's limited by his shoulder injury and he gave us some good defense early to establish the tone of the game on that end but I'm not sure how anyone can get to "great" from there.

What's important is that we won.... we looked like a team for once and we played some defense off of Howard for a change. The next couple games will be the key to seeing if we can salvage anything from this season.
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