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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:59 am

Brook Lopez is a overrated tweener. I much rather see if the Grizzles would bite on a Howard for Marc Gasol / Tony Allen / Darell Arthur..... I like that package... and I think the Grizzles will say yes.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:06 am

8, 2013


Hakeem Olajuwon is sticking with his belief that Dwight Howard will re-sign this summer with the Los Angeles Lakers. If Howard is thinking differently, Olajuwon figures Howard will let him know.

In a phone interview with Fox Sports Florida, Olajuwon, a Hall of Fame center, said Howard told him in the summer of 2011 that he wanted out of Orlando after eight seasons primarily due to how he was being used by then-Magic coach Stan Van Gundy, and that he wanted to end up with the Lakers.

That, of course, is what eventually happened. Howard, who asked to be traded, was dealt last August to the Lakers. But things haven't turned out well. The center has struggled at times while recovering from back surgery and has missed six games in the past month due to shoulder injury.

The Lakers are just 23-27 and in jeopardy of missing the playoffs, especially after having just lost forward Pau Gasol for at least six weeks due to a foot injury. They play at Miami on Sunday, when Howard is expected to make his first Florida appearance since leaving the Magic.

Olajuwon, who is close to Howard and had extended workouts with him during the summers of 2010 and 2011 at Olajuwon's ranch outside Houston, has spent most of this season in Amman, Jordan. But Olajuwon, who splits his time between Jordan and Texas, will be at All-Star Weekend Feb. 15-17 in Houston, where he plans to meet with Howard, a starter for the Western Conference.

"I want to catch up and see how (Howard) really feels," said Olajuwon, the greatest player in Rockets history, who will serve as a judge for the NBA's Feb. 16 dunk contest and be honored at the Feb. 17 Legends Brunch. "My first concept is to make him feel comfortable... The key is to make him comfortable so that he can open up and I know what the issues are (that concern Howard)."

Olajuwon, with his tremendous knowledge of basketball and his calming influence, has developed close relationships since his 2002 retirement with a number of NBA stars. Five other All-Stars (Bryant, LeBron James, Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler and Brook Lopez) have worked out with Olajuwon in recent years.

Howard has been noncommittal when talking to the media. But until he hears otherwise, Olajuwon believes Howard will re-sign with the Lakers when he becomes a free agent this summer.

"I think so," Olajuwon said. "I think so. Because that is where he wanted to be. He wanted to go there."

Olajuwon said that when the two worked out in the summer of 2011, Howard told him he wanted to end up with the Lakers. At that time, Howard had one year left on his contract and an opt-out clause for 2012-13. In a controversial move, Howard eventually did not opt out.

"He loves L.A.," Olajuwon said of what Howard told him in 2011 and what he has no reason to no longer believe. "He feels like it's a great chance for him to win a championship, and he wants to be another great center for the Lakers of the future. He thought it was the best fit for him personally. He came to us (in 2011 with one of his representatives to Olajuwon's ranch outside Houston) and they already thought that should be the destination."

Olajuwon eventually asked to be traded from the Magic and named the Lakers, Nets and Mavericks as preferred destinations. When reports surfaced that Howard's first choice was the Nets, Olajuwon put little stock in that since Howard only had spoken to him about wanting to go to the Lakers.

"That was a surprise," Olajuwon said of the Nets. "I don't know where that came from. He was very focused on knowing he wanted to go to the Lakers."

However, Van Gundy disputes that Howard had sought all along to go the Lakers.

"Well, that definitely wasn't the place that he was demanding to go to first," Van Gundy said by phone.

Asked what team had been tops on Howard's list and whether it was the Nets, Van Gundy said, "I'm not going to get into that."

Van Gundy, though, didn't dispute Olajuwon saying Howard's primary reason for wanting out of Orlando was frustration with his role under Van Gundy.

"In Orlando, he more or less was fed up with the coach," Olajuwon said of what Howard told him in 2011. "It was more of an issue where he didn't feel like (Van Gundy) was using him in the right way. ... Remember, if you have an inside player, you got to go to him. Any coach that has a post player that commands a double- or triple-team must maximize that position because that position will give you other options. Just going to him, you create opportunities outside and inside.

"He was more clashing with the coach for not using him correctly. ... There were frustrations. Any player would be frustrated when he feels that he can offer more than what he feels like the coach is making him do, and he can run up and down the court four or five times before you touch the ball."

While Van Gundy acknowledges Howard felt frustration, he believes he properly utilized Howard while coaching him from 2007-12.

"In his mind, that was something that he was not happy about, but I thought we utilized him correctly," said Van Gundy, who led the Magic to the 2009 NBA Finals, where they lost 4-1 to the Lakers. "I thought we achieved tremendous success for him and for the team and we played at an extremely high level.

"That doesn't mean that he's not entitled to his feelings that he would have liked to have done more on the offensive end of the floor. I certainly wouldn't want my best player to not have that feeling that he wanted to do more. But I think it bears out that he had tremendous success. He had great numbers."

In each of his five seasons under Van Gundy, Howard was named the center on the All-NBA first team. He four times led the NBA in rebounding and twice in blocks.

Despite Olajuwon saying Howard was frustrated at being regarded in Orlando more as a guy to rebound and block shots, he averaged as many as 22.9 points in a season. He would have averaged even more had he not shot less than 60 percent from the free-throw line in each of his seasons under Van Gundy, including last year being under 50 percent.

Van Gundy came out last April and said Howard wanted him fired, something that would happen in May. But if there was so much friction leading up to that between Howard and Van Gundy, then why did Howard, in a move to stave off immediately being traded, decide last March not to invoke the option on his contract?

"He loved Orlando and he loved the people and he loved the crowd," Olajuwon said of Howard then putting off free agency from 2012 to 2013. "It was more he didn't want to face the consequences of betrayal of the fans (if he left as a free agent). He truly loved the city of Orlando."

Howard is scheduled to make his only Orlando appearance of the season March 12. Nobody figures fans at the Amway Center will show much love that night for him.

"I'm sure it will be like LeBron when he went back to Cleveland," said Olajuwon, referring to James' hostile reception in December 2010 after he had bolted from the Cavaliers to the Heat. "But after a couple of seasons, I'm sure it will die down."

While Olajuwon said Howard in 2011 named Van Gundy as his primary frustration in Orlando, he said he provided other reasons for wanting out. He said Howard didn't like the moves the Magic had made in trying to get better in the years following their 2009 Finals appearance and was he intrigued by seeing teams of stars being formed in the NBA, most notably the Heat with James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

"He thought other teams were getting collections of superstars joining together and Orlando was making all these trades but not really improving their team," Olajuwon said. "He didn't seem like they were able to compete for a championship with all those players that they got. They weren't going in the right direction and improving that team."

The moves included acquiring Vince Carter from New Jersey and later dealing him to Phoenix and shipping Rashard Lewis to Washington in a deal that brought in Gilbert Arenas, who was later waived under the NBA's amnesty rule.

Olajuwon, though, said Howard got what he wanted when he was sent to the Lakers last August in a four-team deal that also included Denver and Philadelphia. But the trade hasn't been the boon that was expected by the Lakers, who also had acquired point guard Steve Nash last summer from Phoenix.

Having spent much of the season in Jordan, Olajuwon said he's only watched two full Lakers games on television. But he's also viewed plenty of highlights, and has had no problem seeing Howard being slow in his recovery from back surgery. Howard is averaging 16.3 points and 11.8 rebounds, down from 20.6 and 14.5 last season.

"During the offseason, he didn't get a chance to play basketball and that's when you work on your conditioning," said Olajuwon, who believes Howard's recent shoulder injury is much less of a concern than his back situation. "And then he missed (most of) the preseason and to come right into a situation where there were a lot of expectations right away. So it was a tough position for him right away.

"It takes time to fully recover (from back surgery). I see sometimes that he's very comfortable and agile but sometimes you see the timing and the delay and he's not as reactive. And I believe that's part of the recovery period. That will take time."

As for time to decide whether or not Howard wants to re-sign with the Lakers, that's starting to run out. There are just 32 games left in the season if they don't make the playoffs.

But Olajuwon remains optimistic Howard wants to stay longterm where he said he had wanted to play. Olajuwon will find out during All-Star Weekend if Howard tells him something different.



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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:11 am

Well I do think Howard wants to stay in L.A. ... but only if the keys are handed to Howard to become the #1 option.... right now he is not and if he isn't then maybe he tells his friends that he won't re-sign here next year.....

I think Kobe has to go for Howard to stay here long-term.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:14 am

Ice-Fire wrote:Brook Lopez is a overrated tweener. I much rather see if the Grizzles would bite on a Howard for Marc Gasol / Tony Allen / Darell Arthur..... I like that package... and I think the Grizzles will say yes.


man, is there any team you can't think of to trade Howard to? :man10:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:18 am

Ice-Fire wrote:Well I do think Howard wants to stay in L.A. ... but only if the keys are handed to Howard to become the #1 option.... right now he is not and if he isn't then maybe he tells his friends that he won't re-sign here next year.....

I think Kobe has to go for Howard to stay here long-term.


As long as Kobe's here, Dwight ain't coming back. No way in hell. He doesn't need the aggravation. He can go to Brooklyn and play alongside Deron. Why stay here and deal with Kobe's dictatorship? For what? A guy of Howard's caliber doesn't need to be belittled.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:20 am

khmrP wrote:man, is there any team you can't think of to trade Howard to?


I'm using the RealGM trade-checker to see if any deals out there make sense :man1:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:22 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:As long as Kobe's here, Dwight ain't coming back. No way in hell. He doesn't need the aggravation. He can go to Brooklyn and play alongside Deron. Why stay here and deal with Kobe's dictatorship? For what? A guy of Howard's caliber doesn't need to be belittled.


I agree with you. hopefully the Lakers slump into the all-star break so the possibility of Howard being traded becomes apparent.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby last stand on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:25 am

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last stand wrote:
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last stand wrote:I think a lot of you need to take a step back, breathe, and stop jumping to do many conclusions and reading Dwight Howard's body language. If looking annoyed and disappointed was a sign of leaving kobe has wanted to get traded 20 times a season, you guys aren't professional body language specialists so stop panicking everytime Dwight looks unhappy.

There is more to life than laker basketball and worrying about what Dwight Howard is going to do. "is he going to be healthy!!!!!" "is he going to leave!!!!" "dwight sucks!!!!!!" "trade him for average players!!!!"

If he's here next year, great he'll be healthy and better. If not then oh well, life moves on. But the panicking and bashing in the lakers fanbase right now is just ridiculous and is probably being displayed all over the Internet


Yes there is more to life.... but you are on a LAKER BASKETBALL forum. Discussions will be about the Lakers. The Dwight aspect is the biggest story we have going right now.

But thanks for the concern.


again most of these aren't discussions, it's just panicking. discussions imply that they are at least somewhat rational, which isn't what is going on.


I think there's actually a great amount of discussion going on. Personally, I think I've beaten the whole scenario to death in my posts. Many others have as well. People suggesting trades is part of the dialogue.

Don't you think that if Dwight seems to be unhappy as he is that he is probably going to walk? Aside from what he wants, do you see Dwight as a legit franchise player or is it better to get some very good young talent that can blossom? I think these are what is being discussed.


From what I see it's just panic. Very little actual stepping back and assessing he situation. Very little though as well. Tossing out trade ideas to pretty much every team? That's rational, that's productive

Saying that a 3 time DPOY, someone who has taken a team to the finals is incapable of being a part of winning basketball? Is logical?

Saying that Howard is definitely walking, that his body language tells them so when not one person in here is actually an expert at reading body language is rational?

These are all ridiculous hyperbole being tossed around in panic because a good portion of people aren't capable of handling themselves in a situation like this. No Everyone obviously but a good portion.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:41 am

Ice-Fire wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:As long as Kobe's here, Dwight ain't coming back. No way in hell. He doesn't need the aggravation. He can go to Brooklyn and play alongside Deron. Why stay here and deal with Kobe's dictatorship? For what? A guy of Howard's caliber doesn't need to be belittled.


I agree with you. hopefully the Lakers slump into the all-star break so the possibility of Howard being traded becomes apparent.


why would any Laker fan want that? Its obvious you can come up with all the scenario you want, you can trade him to every SINGLE team in the league but there's only a select few who will take the chance on a rental but at the same time they're NOT going to give you pieces you want back its plain and simple! :freak2:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby King of Clutch on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:44 am

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did you even watch the BK game to comment bout Brooks being good? he sucks......I like Weezy trade idea, Atl might take that chance, even if he doesn't resign they can start all over anyways.

sophomore slump. He had a phenominal rookie year. And you insinuating ONE BKN game vs us is a measuring stick of his talent, is disturbing. Watched him plenty last year and some this year. I know what he's capable of.


yea quite the slump since he can't even get off the bench, reason he did well last year was cause it was a bad team full of injuries and he got the green light to do whatever he wanted, btw scoring 12pts on 12 shoots isn't any sign of being "good". Samething with Gerald Green, dude put solid #'s of bench, look at him now in Indy. As for Lopez, F that, I rather Howard walk for NOTHING then be straddled with that contract, dude is so much younger than Pau but is already playing at current day Pau's speed that freakin embarrasing.

Actually he scored 13 points, on 11 shots. Don't know what more you want from a rookie guard. Thats nearly the same production Anthony davis is putting up right now. Is he also "not good"? Get your eyes off the stat sheet and watch the game of basketball. You never really payed attention to him, just say that instead of resorting to the stat sheet and coming to a conclusion to prevent yourself from looking ignorant, which you've accomplished quite well. By the way he's also playing nearly 20 minutes less than last yr. No PT for him.

As for lopez, the man torched us for 30 last game, and torched the living hell out of howard from mid range the game before. His rebounding is sub par, but he is 7th in the league in blocks, has the best post game in the league for a center, and is the top scoring center in the league. Tell me again how he is playing at "gasol speed"? This just shows me that you don't know much about basketball. Stop going by popularity and use your eyes. At this point in time, brook lopez is probably the best center in the league. Its funny how i'm saying this now, and ESPN also just released an article saying how Brook Lopez has become a "Top 10 player". Guess my eyes are pretty good at judging talent, while yours are not. Are you going to change your stance now that an "analyst" agrees? Or are you going to be stubborn about it?
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:45 am

khmrP wrote:why would any Laker fan want that? Its obvious you can come up with all the scenario you want, you can trade him to every SINGLE team in the league but there's only a select few who will take the chance on a rental but at the same time they're NOT going to give you pieces you want back its plain and simple!


IF the Lakers trade him before the dead-line to a WC/EC contender and goes to the finals... why wouldn't he want to re-sign with that team long-term? or do you think he's all happy and giggly about the prospect of playing for a clown like MDA and not even being the #1 option when he's getting franchise-type money? it doesn't even make sense..... he has a better chance of getting better endorsements somewhere else... he's living under Kobe's shadow here... and he has to rely on Jim Buss to build this team around him....
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:53 am

King of Clutch wrote:
khmrP wrote:
King of Clutch wrote:
khmrP wrote:
did you even watch the BK game to comment bout Brooks being good? he sucks......I like Weezy trade idea, Atl might take that chance, even if he doesn't resign they can start all over anyways.

sophomore slump. He had a phenominal rookie year. And you insinuating ONE BKN game vs us is a measuring stick of his talent, is disturbing. Watched him plenty last year and some this year. I know what he's capable of.


yea quite the slump since he can't even get off the bench, reason he did well last year was cause it was a bad team full of injuries and he got the green light to do whatever he wanted, btw scoring 12pts on 12 shoots isn't any sign of being "good". Samething with Gerald Green, dude put solid #'s of bench, look at him now in Indy. As for Lopez, F that, I rather Howard walk for NOTHING then be straddled with that contract, dude is so much younger than Pau but is already playing at current day Pau's speed that freakin embarrasing.

Actually he scored 13 points, on 11 shots. Don't know what more you want from a rookie guard. Thats nearly the same production Anthony davis is putting up right now. Is he also "not good"? Get your eyes off the stat sheet and watch the game of basketball. You never really payed attention to him, just say that instead of resorting to the stat sheet and coming to a conclusion to prevent yourself from looking ignorant. He's also playing nearly 20 minutes less than last yr.

As for lopez, the man torched us for 30 last game, and torched the living hell out of howard from mid range the game before. This just shows me that you don't know much about basketball. Stop going by popularity and use your eyes. At this point in time, brook lopez is the best center in the league. Its funny how i'm saying this now, and ESPN also just released an article saying how Brook Lopez has become a "Top 10 player". Guess my eyes are pretty good at judging talent, while yours are not. Are you going to change your stance now that an "analyst" agrees? Or are you going to be stubborn about it?


#1 there's a reason why Brooks is playing 10mins less and I dont have to watch to realize that, simple logic would dicatate a rookie putting up those stats would see INCREASED minutes the next season, I guess BK coaching eye for talent must not be as good as yours than. All he did last year was just chuck and this year he's shooting 22% from 3's quite the talent there bro. As for Lopez, he's the best C in the league by default doesn't mean squat to me. He has always lite up teams from the perimiter that is why he has always had great stats against us even when Bynum was here. Getting harassed and forced into ugly fade away by a 6 10" Clark isn't exactly Center worthy if you ask me and considering the package of Lopez/Brooks with multiple picks for Howard wasn't good enough last year you now would settle for just those 2 with no Picks? Please, if we have to move forward with Lopez as a building block/center piece might as well prepare for the lottery for the forseable future just like BK was doing during his tenure as the teams best player.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:54 am

LMA/Batum is still my favorite trade idea for Dwight. Although after that reminder of how good KG & Bradley can make a defense yesterday, I wouldn't mind a package involving them. Dwight & Rondo to build around next season has to be tempting.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:56 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Ice-Fire wrote:Well I do think Howard wants to stay in L.A. ... but only if the keys are handed to Howard to become the #1 option.... right now he is not and if he isn't then maybe he tells his friends that he won't re-sign here next year.....

I think Kobe has to go for Howard to stay here long-term.


As long as Kobe's here, Dwight ain't coming back. No way in hell. He doesn't need the aggravation. He can go to Brooklyn and play alongside Deron. Why stay here and deal with Kobe's dictatorship? For what? A guy of Howard's caliber doesn't need to be belittled.


Actually, he can't. Nets are over the cap and can't sign him as a free agent this summer. The only way he gets to Brooklyn is if the Lakers trade him there. And if it came down to him walking for nothing or taking back a maxed out Lopez and parts, I think LA lets him walk. So Brooklyn rumors (that are typically started by Brooklyn writers) are a bunch of bull. It will come down to the Lakers, Mavs, Rockets and Hawks. And it will be in free agency.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:00 am

Savory Griddles wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Ice-Fire wrote:Well I do think Howard wants to stay in L.A. ... but only if the keys are handed to Howard to become the #1 option.... right now he is not and if he isn't then maybe he tells his friends that he won't re-sign here next year.....

I think Kobe has to go for Howard to stay here long-term.


As long as Kobe's here, Dwight ain't coming back. No way in hell. He doesn't need the aggravation. He can go to Brooklyn and play alongside Deron. Why stay here and deal with Kobe's dictatorship? For what? A guy of Howard's caliber doesn't need to be belittled.


Actually, he can't. Nets are over the cap and can't sign him as a free agent this summer. The only way he gets to Brooklyn is if the Lakers trade him there. And if it came down to him walking for nothing or taking back a maxed out Lopez and parts, I think LA lets him walk. So Brooklyn rumors (that are typically started by Brooklyn writers) are a bunch of bull. It will come down to the Lakers, Mavs, Rockets and Hawks. And it will be in free agency.

Aren't they over the tax threshhold now? I think they'd have to dump salary 1st to even be eligible to receive a player in sign & trade under the current CBA.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby King of Clutch on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:02 am

khmrP wrote:
King of Clutch wrote:
khmrP wrote:
King of Clutch wrote:
khmrP wrote:
did you even watch the BK game to comment bout Brooks being good? he sucks......I like Weezy trade idea, Atl might take that chance, even if he doesn't resign they can start all over anyways.

sophomore slump. He had a phenominal rookie year. And you insinuating ONE BKN game vs us is a measuring stick of his talent, is disturbing. Watched him plenty last year and some this year. I know what he's capable of.


yea quite the slump since he can't even get off the bench, reason he did well last year was cause it was a bad team full of injuries and he got the green light to do whatever he wanted, btw scoring 12pts on 12 shoots isn't any sign of being "good". Samething with Gerald Green, dude put solid #'s of bench, look at him now in Indy. As for Lopez, F that, I rather Howard walk for NOTHING then be straddled with that contract, dude is so much younger than Pau but is already playing at current day Pau's speed that freakin embarrasing.

Actually he scored 13 points, on 11 shots. Don't know what more you want from a rookie guard. Thats nearly the same production Anthony davis is putting up right now. Is he also "not good"? Get your eyes off the stat sheet and watch the game of basketball. You never really payed attention to him, just say that instead of resorting to the stat sheet and coming to a conclusion to prevent yourself from looking ignorant. He's also playing nearly 20 minutes less than last yr.

As for lopez, the man torched us for 30 last game, and torched the living hell out of howard from mid range the game before. This just shows me that you don't know much about basketball. Stop going by popularity and use your eyes. At this point in time, brook lopez is the best center in the league. Its funny how i'm saying this now, and ESPN also just released an article saying how Brook Lopez has become a "Top 10 player". Guess my eyes are pretty good at judging talent, while yours are not. Are you going to change your stance now that an "analyst" agrees? Or are you going to be stubborn about it?


#1 there's a reason why Brooks is playing 10mins less and I dont have to watch to realize that, I guess BK coaching eye for talent must not be as good as yours than. All he did last year was just chuck and this year he's shooting 22% from 3's quite the talent there bro. As for Lopez, he's the best C in the league by default doesn't mean squat to me. He has always lite up teams from the perimiter that is why he has always had great stats against us even when Bynum was here. Getting harassed and forced into ugly fade away by a 6 10" Clark isn't exactly Center worthy if you ask me and considering the package of Lopez/Brooks with multiple picks for Howard wasn't good enough last year you now would settle for just those 2 with no Picks? Please, if we have to move forward with Lopez as a building block/center piece might as well prepare for the lottery for the forseable future just like BK was doing during his tenure as the teams best player.

He took 11 shots per game. ELEVEN! Thats chucking? lol please.

lol so you would have horford, as you've stated before, which would be a center piece. But you wouldn't want brook lopez. Is that correct? Lol ok, just checking. The logic seems extremely incoherent to me, but whatever. As a center as a building block, brook lopez only comes second to howard. As far as the trade goes. I was clearly just trading players only to make it work money wise. Since when does anyone on here include "picks" in their trades? lol now you're just reaching for anything to pick at.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Center Court on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:03 am

last stand wrote:
Center Court wrote:
last stand wrote:
Center Court wrote:
last stand wrote:I think a lot of you need to take a step back, breathe, and stop jumping to do many conclusions and reading Dwight Howard's body language. If looking annoyed and disappointed was a sign of leaving kobe has wanted to get traded 20 times a season, you guys aren't professional body language specialists so stop panicking everytime Dwight looks unhappy.

There is more to life than laker basketball and worrying about what Dwight Howard is going to do. "is he going to be healthy!!!!!" "is he going to leave!!!!" "dwight sucks!!!!!!" "trade him for average players!!!!"

If he's here next year, great he'll be healthy and better. If not then oh well, life moves on. But the panicking and bashing in the lakers fanbase right now is just ridiculous and is probably being displayed all over the Internet


Yes there is more to life.... but you are on a LAKER BASKETBALL forum. Discussions will be about the Lakers. The Dwight aspect is the biggest story we have going right now.

But thanks for the concern.


again most of these aren't discussions, it's just panicking. discussions imply that they are at least somewhat rational, which isn't what is going on.


I think there's actually a great amount of discussion going on. Personally, I think I've beaten the whole scenario to death in my posts. Many others have as well. People suggesting trades is part of the dialogue.

Don't you think that if Dwight seems to be unhappy as he is that he is probably going to walk? Aside from what he wants, do you see Dwight as a legit franchise player or is it better to get some very good young talent that can blossom? I think these are what is being discussed.


From what I see it's just panic. Very little actual stepping back and assessing he situation. Very little though as well. Tossing out trade ideas to pretty much every team? That's rational, that's productive

Saying that a 3 time DPOY, someone who has taken a team to the finals is incapable of being a part of winning basketball? Is logical?

Saying that Howard is definitely walking, that his body language tells them so when not one person in here is actually an expert at reading body language is rational?

These are all ridiculous hyperbole being tossed around in panic because a good portion of people aren't capable of handling themselves in a situation like this. No Everyone obviously but a good portion.


I agree that you always have the "dumb posters" who come here and think we can trade Pau for Love or the "omg trade Dwight for anything" or even "Who cares if Dwight walks". IMO, the last thought is the most stupid I've heard in some time. My thought process is more in the corner of Dwight and getting him what he needs to succeed. While Kobe vs Dwight is repairable and improves with winning, MDA doesn't. It's a fundamental difference in beliefs of how basketball should be played.

So if the Lakers are truly committed to MDA like they publicly state, i think D12 is gone. You don't have to be a body language expert to see his lack of care in last nights game. Though, I wouldn't care too much to be in the 4th quarter down by 26 if I were in his shoes either.

Maybe there is something bigger here. Maybe the team and coaches are seeing Dwight in a different light and everyone is tired. Maybe, this is all on coach. Maybe it's Kobe. We don't have the inside/daily understandings of what goes on in practice, on the buss, team dinners, etc. But, if you listen to Dwight's rhetoric, it is VERY similar to what he was saying on his way out fo Orlando- basically, anything to save face.

I hope he stays. I would hate to lose him, even in despite of all his flaws on and off the court. That said, if the Laker brass has an innate feeling that he is not going to resign or if they are fully committed to MDA, then trading Dwight now is the best move.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:03 am

Savory Griddles wrote:Actually, he can't. Nets are over the cap and can't sign him as a free agent this summer. The only way he gets to Brooklyn is if the Lakers trade him there. And if it came down to him walking for nothing or taking back a maxed out Lopez and parts, I think LA lets him walk. So Brooklyn rumors (that are typically started by Brooklyn writers) are a bunch of bull. It will come down to the Lakers, Mavs, Rockets and Hawks. And it will be in free agency.


What exactly would the Lakers want from Dallas if a S&T is prohibited during the summer?
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:06 am

Horford DOESN"T make MAX and he would be playing his natural position @ PF when/if Pau returns and teagues>>>>>>>>Brooks. No one includes picks but BK has no picks to give anyways now, so again Lopez/Brooks and 3 1st rd picks couldn't get it done and yet you're willing to consider it now without picks?
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:07 am

Center Court wrote:I hope he stays. I would hate to lose him, even in despite of all his flaws on and off the court. That said, if the Laker brass has an innate feeling that he is not going to resign or if they are fully committed to MDA, then trading Dwight now is the best move.


Why hope for a player to stay if he doesn't want to put effort on the court? the Lakers better trade Howard before the trade-deadline before the ship sinks even more.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby revgen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:09 am

Dwight Howard Hopes Lakers 'Start Supporting Me The Way They Need To'
Feb 08, 2013 11:34 AM EST

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Amid pressure to play through a torn labrum in his right shoulder, Dwight Howard played in the Los Angeles Lakers' blowout loss to the Boston Celtics on Thursday, but there were still questions surrounding his return from teammates -- whether it was Kobe Bryant saying Wednesday that the Lakers couldn't wait on Howard to heal, to Mike D'Antoni claiming Howard had been cleared for a while now.

In Howard's mind, the support level from his team has been lacking.

"Hopefully they'll start supporting me the way they need to," Howard said. "Until then, I'm going to continue to do whatever I can to help our team win.

"I can't get involved with what they've been saying to the media. I understand they've been saying certain things, but I know my health. I haven't been cleared for weeks to play. This is my body, and I have to control my body and my future and my career. So I can't worry about anybody else."

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226015/Dwight-Howard-Hopes-Lakers-Start-Supporting-Me-The-Way-They-Need-To

Hmm..interesting. D'Antoni told reporters that D12 has been cleared to play for awhile now. So who is telling the truth here?
"Every time he’s hurt, he always plays, he always comes through."

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:10 am

khmrP wrote:Horford DOESN"T make MAX and he would be playing his natural position @ PF when/if Pau returns and teagues>>>>>>>>Brooks. No one includes picks but BK has no picks to give anyways now, so again Lopez/Brooks and 3 1st rd picks couldn't get it done and yet you're willing to consider it now without picks?


Well, desparate times call for desparate measures. It looks like more and more that we are going to be in a simliar siutation to Orlando. But before it gets more desparate, i think it's smart to just trade him ASAP. I seriously doubt he returns. Not as long as Kobe is here. And Kobe will be here.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:11 am

lakersin4 wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Ice-Fire wrote:Well I do think Howard wants to stay in L.A. ... but only if the keys are handed to Howard to become the #1 option.... right now he is not and if he isn't then maybe he tells his friends that he won't re-sign here next year.....

I think Kobe has to go for Howard to stay here long-term.


As long as Kobe's here, Dwight ain't coming back. No way in hell. He doesn't need the aggravation. He can go to Brooklyn and play alongside Deron. Why stay here and deal with Kobe's dictatorship? For what? A guy of Howard's caliber doesn't need to be belittled.


Actually, he can't. Nets are over the cap and can't sign him as a free agent this summer. The only way he gets to Brooklyn is if the Lakers trade him there. And if it came down to him walking for nothing or taking back a maxed out Lopez and parts, I think LA lets him walk. So Brooklyn rumors (that are typically started by Brooklyn writers) are a bunch of bull. It will come down to the Lakers, Mavs, Rockets and Hawks. And it will be in free agency.

Aren't they over the tax threshhold now? I think they'd have to dump salary 1st to even be eligible to receive a player in sign & trade under the current CBA.


I'm not sure about that rule, but the chance of Howard ending up with the Nets ended when they made the trade for Joe Johnson. If I'm Dwight, from a basketball perspective, Houston makes the most sense. They already have a young elite sg in Harden and some good pieces with Lin and Patterson. The Rockets could be right there with OKC for a long time. But does he want to live in the butt hole of America? Houston is the worst major city I have been to in this country.

I've read rumors that he doesn't want to "go home" to Atlanta. Its going to be a flippin' circus this summer. I'm wondering if Mitch is lining up deals to dump Pau's then expiring contract right away so he can show Howard he already has another young piece to pair with him going forward.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:13 am

Ice-Fire wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:Actually, he can't. Nets are over the cap and can't sign him as a free agent this summer. The only way he gets to Brooklyn is if the Lakers trade him there. And if it came down to him walking for nothing or taking back a maxed out Lopez and parts, I think LA lets him walk. So Brooklyn rumors (that are typically started by Brooklyn writers) are a bunch of bull. It will come down to the Lakers, Mavs, Rockets and Hawks. And it will be in free agency.


What exactly would the Lakers want from Dallas if a S&T is prohibited during the summer?


I believe he can sign with Dallas straight up. No sign and trade needed.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: might play vs. Boston

Postby Ice-Fire on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:16 am

revgen wrote:Hmm..interesting. D'Antoni told reporters that D12 has been cleared to play for awhile now. So who is telling the truth here?


It sure sounds like someone is lying..... if Howard doesn't get traded or MDA gets fired soon I will be shocked this mess needs to be cleaned up.
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