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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:29 pm

howard would be the 2nd option. pau has never averaged 23ppg in his entire career even as a #1 option. dwight is a far better scorer than pau
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:36 pm

Roo - I hear you on Dwight's fundamentals (touch, footwork, and free throwing) for sure - not going to be an easy fix IMO. As you said, working with Hakeem as he did won't magically turn him into the Dream. Regarding leadership, I'm not that concerned as he doesn't have to be the team leader for another three or four years, and at that point he may have developed more maturity in that department which comes with age. He's still incredibly young (what is he 24?). Kobe is undisputed leader until he retires. Pau is second in command.

I actually like some of the components right now on our team surrounding our main guys. I just think we need to shore up the backup guard/shooting guard position. If Odom is included in the trade then we need either a serviceable backup big (Bass?) or someone who can shoot the ball.

I'm fine with Metta World Peace right now, fine with Blake if he starts and Fish backs up, fine with Barnes and our younger players such as Ebanks and the draft picks. Would I like an improvement at PG? Sure. Just not sure how that is going to happen regardless of a potential trade for Dwight. I sure as hell wouldn't trade Bynum for a PG if it were my team. I don't like big for small. I don't like Pau at Center, particularly. Not after last season.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:45 pm

how is it different speculating that dwight will not improve his fundementals to bynum will continue to get hurt?
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:02 pm

last stand wrote:how is it different speculating that dwight will not improve his fundementals to bynum will continue to get hurt?


One is random act or a consequence and the other is pre-meditaed and deliberate. You don't decide to get hurt...OTOH you do make a choice not to work on fundamentals.

Bynum has had to work to get where he is at.... Howard just had to grow up with his natural talent.... One instilled an ethical value the other didn't. That's not a knock on Howard...just an observation.

The fact is Howard hasn't really tried to fill in the holes in his game to this point and after this long in the league I would think that a trend is in place. I could be wrong... and if he is traded here I hope I am.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:12 pm

no its not different. and also how was bynum not born with physical talent. before his knee injuries he was a 7 footer who was very light on his feet.

its only different because it helps your argument. they are both future predictions. if anything the bynum injury prediction holds more weight as there is far more evidence of bynum injuries than howard not working hard enough

in fact howard has statistically improved every year so there really is no proof hes a poor worker
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:30 pm

last stand wrote:its only different because it helps your argument.


:man3: What argument? One is probability driven one is a decision.

If you are talking about the "probability" that Howard makes the decision to work on his footwork, shot, left hand and free throws then you need to look at his rookie year and last year to see if those things have improved. I would say some have, but not by much. He is working on his back to the basket game, but the left, footwork and free throws are still abysmal compared to his immense physical abilities.

He is an athletic freak.... the likes this league has never seen before. That is good enough to be the best Center in the league. When you start out at or near the top you don't need to improve unless you have the drive of a guy like Kobe or MJ or Kareem or even Hakeem. I don't see that in Howard.... I don't see it in Bynum either, but I see more of it in Bynum because he was blessed with much less natural talent than Howard was and has had to work very hard to come back from injuries.

Oh... one more thing.... Olivia Wilde needs to be higher on your list....... :man1:
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:51 pm

i agree i haven't changed that list in a long time. the only safe women are emma, natalie, and mila
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:08 pm

last stand wrote:i agree i haven't changed that list in a long time. the only safe women are emma, natalie, and mila


See..... you and I can see eye to eye.....
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby I Am Cornholio on Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:45 pm

lakerswiz wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Neither of these would be my choice for the "star" after Kobe retires either.......

The biggest thing I dread the most. To me Kobe = Lakers. Lakers = Kobe. I have not known a time where the Lakers and Kobe weren't essentially one and the same.

The next few years are going to be interesting. Though I truly believe that Kobe will have 2 or 3 really great years left and then start to dwindle down. I honestly believe this season will be one of his best yet.



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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby LeX Da KiD on Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:51 pm

awesome, :jam2: :jam2: can't wait for season!
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Alcindor on Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:07 pm

I Am Cornholio wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Neither of these would be my choice for the "star" after Kobe retires either.......

The biggest thing I dread the most. To me Kobe = Lakers. Lakers = Kobe. I have not known a time where the Lakers and Kobe weren't essentially one and the same.

The next few years are going to be interesting. Though I truly believe that Kobe will have 2 or 3 really great years left and then start to dwindle down. I honestly believe this season will be one of his best yet.



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^ you just made a thread suggesting we trade 31mil in contracts (Bynum/Odom/MWP) for CP3's 16mil with no explation as to how it's financially possible (besides being absurd). Wouldn't start baggin' on others just yet.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby The Rock on Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:57 pm

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While Kupchak remained guarded with his answers, Lakers forward Matt Barnes was much more open when asked about the rumors surrounding his former teammate Howard.

"You know, I've been hearing Dwight. I've been hearing Baron [Davis]. I've been hearing stuff a lot lately," Barnes said. "I've talked to both of those guys and they want to be here, so we'll see what happens."
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby XXIV on Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:18 pm

Whoa if what Barnes says is true that's huge. :jam2:
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby BDG on Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:32 pm

LOL I have a feeling Barnes was supposed to keep those conversations between him and D12/Baron.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby TaniBoyz on Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:40 pm

Barnes's revealing the plan :man2:
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby The Rock on Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:45 pm

A source close to Los Angeles Lakers Center Andrew Bynum has been predicting that he would end up being traded to Orlando Magic for months
now and reiterated that sentiment to HOOPSWORLD today. The belief is based off the assumption that the Magic are eventually going to be willing to trade All-Star center Dwight Howard.

For the first time in three summers, Bynum was healthy and spent the prolonged offseason preparing himself for what should be the best year of his career. The source classified Bynum as “indifferent” to all the trade talk and willing to play wherever. This is the third time he’s been rumored to be the centerpiece of a package for an All-Star, previously being involved in discussions for Kevin Garnett and Jason Kidd.

The source also spoke highly regarding how good of a fit Bynum would be in Orlando, stating that it’s his time to be the man. Bynum voiced the desire to be more of a featured option at the conclusion of last season, but it’s going to be hard for that to happen as long as Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant are still Lakers.

The Howard saga is still in its early stages, but should start to speed up once he notifies Orlando that he is unwilling to sign an extension.


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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:56 pm

Bynum voiced his desire to be a featured option last year because the second team would go 4 minutes without even threatening to pass it to him......

Arguably he was our best player in the playoffs last year and should be considered at equal option to Pau until Pau finds his spheres again....
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:06 pm

something tells me bynum wants to be traded to orlando. no pressure and all the touches
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:07 pm

LOL at barnes really dropping the ball there. now every team in the league will put in a waiver claim for davis and an offer for howard
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby thkthebest on Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:13 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Bynum voiced his desire to be a featured option last year because the second team would go 4 minutes without even threatening to pass it to him......

Arguably he was our best player in the playoffs last year and should be considered at equal option to Pau until Pau finds his spheres again....

I personally wish we could trade Pau instead of Bynum.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:20 pm

Barnes just keeping it real with everyone. I don't think he let the cat out of the bag on anything. Everyone already knew D12 wanted to come here and Baron Davis has been rumored to the Lakers for awhile now.

If Melo came out and said I talked to CP3 and he wants to come to the Knicks it doesnt tell us anything that we dont already know.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:22 pm

last stand wrote:something tells me bynum wants to be traded to orlando. no pressure and all the touches


I think he might like a chance to find out if he can be the "man" and I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with ducking the "pressure". He seems to play better under pressure.... and Pau seems not to. Actually its a good personality trait in a competitive vocation....

I don't think Bynum and Phil were on very good terms.... that's just a hunch on my part, but every time Andrew would excel it seemed that Phil would pull him back and sit him for stretches at a time. His mistakes were always met with public chastising while others were overlooked.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby TheBrownMamba on Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:25 pm

Dwight, what's your decision. Dwight Howard - In this fall, this is very tough, in this fall I'm going to take my talents to Hollywood and join the Los Angeles Lakers
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby JSM on Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:29 pm

Chris Sheridan of Sheridan Hoops wrote:Regarding Dwight Howard and Chris Paul and their respective trade desires, it is worth explaining in dollars and sense why they’d prefer to be dealt sooner rather than later.

In order for them to get the most possible money, they’ll need to finagle a way into landing in their desired destinations prior to the trade deadline.

And despite all the hand-wringing over the owners’ capitulation in negotiations over the so-called Carmelo Anthony rule, neither of those guys is likely to do an extend-and-trade.

Here’s why:

From the NBA memo sent out to general managers regarding terms of the new collective bargaining agreement:

_ Extension-and-trades permitted, except maximum length of such contract is 3 years (e.g. 2 new years if player during last year of his old contract and max annual increases are 4.5 percent. If a player signs a contract extension for a longer period or higher amount that would have been permitted for an extension-and-trade, then the team is prohibited from trading the player for a period of six months following the date of the extension. If a team acquired a player in a trade, then, for a period of six months following the date of the trade, the team is prohibited from signing the player to a contract extension for a longer period or higher amount than would have been permitted for an extension-and-trade.

Let’s look at this in a little more detail:

Both Howard and Paul are under contract for two more years but have opt-outs that would allow them to become free agents July 1, 2012.

Any extensions they signed between now and June 30, 2012, could only take them through the 2013-14 season because of the above-noted 3-year rule (the upcoming 2011-12 season counts as one year, the 2012-13 option years on both players’ contracts count as Year 2, and the extensions they would receive as part of the extend-and-trade deals would count as Year 3).

If the Magic decided to fast-track a Howard trade (as Marc Stein reports they are strongly considering), Orlando could only give him a one-year extension (and the maximum raise would be 4.5 percent off his 2012-13 salary) in an extend-and-trade deal. So Howard, who is due to make $19.54 million in 2012-13 if he does NOT opt out, could sign an extension that would pay him $20.415 million for the 2013-14 season, after which he would be a free agent.

He would be much better served to opt out of his contract and sign a five-year deal with 7.5 percent annual raises with the team that acquired him for a total of $110.8 million over 5 years.

The trick is getting to his desired destination. If he was traded somewhere he wasn’t happy, he could leave as an unrestricted free agent but would be limited to a 4-year deal with 4.5 percent annual raises.

if Howard plays out the season with the Magic and opts out, the best deal he could get in a sign-and-trade or an outright unrestricted free agency signing would be $80.5 million over four years. (A team would need $18.9 million in cap space to make him a max offer.)

So, to summarize, here are the options and the financial implications for each player.

Howard:

_ Plays the entire season in Orlando, opts out and ends up elsewhere (either by signing as a free agent or through a sign-and-trade): $80.5 million for 4 years.

_ Gets traded in February, opts out, then re-signs with the team that acquired him: $110.8 million for 5 years.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:08 pm

i'll let mitch and co figure all of that out lol
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