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Heisler Column: Morning in Lakerdom: $150 mill profits, Dwight and CP3 too?

By Mark Heisler
November 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM

LOS ANGELES — What was THAT about?

Chris Sheridan and I were both wrong on our predictions that the NBA would start on time (Chris), or by Dec. 1 (me).

On the other hand, actual events, which were always going to reveal the real deal, proved our basic premise:

The NBA was in far better shape than it claimed, citing $300 million annual losses, making a long work stoppage, as Spock used to say, most illogical (which in Vulcan can mean anything from foolish to out of their gourd).

I missed by 24 days, but David Stern, the sly fox, held one thing back. On the Sternian calendar, they can still play 66 games… as many as they would have starting Dec. 4 on the old schedule.

But enough about the bad old days…

* * *

It’s Showtime!

Or, at least, its latest incarnation hopes it still is, as a brilliant dawn rises once again over Lakerdom …

It’s not hard to tell who won this war–the owners, especially the big ones. Nor is it hard to tell which of them won the most:

That was Jerry Buss, the biggest of all.

When the NBA couldn’t get a full ban on sign-and-trades, it left his Lakers in position to pull off a coup they’re dreaming of, which would make signing LeBron James pale by comparison.

If Dwight Howard and Chris Paul wind up on the market — a safe assumption as far as I’m concerned — the Lakers could offer Andrew Bynum for Dwight and Pau Gasol for CP3, or vice versa.

Nothing says that they will be enough to land either player, but it should put the Lakers in the running for both.

(Oh, and Dwight likes the Lakers. Asked which All-Star he would most like to play with last season, he answered “Kobe Bryant.”)

Nor will finances be a problem, ever again.

If all the owners are now in better shape than they have ever been, the richest will stay the richest, with the players giving back so much, the league won’t have to make the big teams take overly drastic hits to boost revenue sharing, now about 10 percent of baseball’s.

Meet the richest of all …

As far as his personal fortunes goes, Buss is like a proprietor of a mom-and-pop store, as Laker people put it, in a league full of billionaires.

Of course, that’s some mom-and-pop store.

If the Knicks are valued higher (Forbes had them at $655 million to the Lakers’ $643 million last season), that’s about to end, even with Madison Square Garden prices now slated to bring in $2 million per game.

Next season, the Lakers start their 20-year, $3 billion deal with Time Warner, which will take them from their annual $30 million from Fox Sports West to $150 million.

On paper, that would put the Lakers, who now average a profit of $45-60 million, zooming past $150 million.

In fact, an informed source projects an even higher figure, in the $170 million range. (To put that in perspective, Forbes said the Knicks made a league-leading $64 million profit in 2009-10. The Lakers will more than double that.)

In either case, Jerry, Jim and Jeannie Buss are going to have a lot to say about what happens in this league for a long time …

Starting now?

Not so fast.

I know it seems like a long time ago, but the Lakers’ season didn’t end too well.

If you can remember back that far, they looked decrepit and faint-hearted as the Mavericks swept them, 4-0, showing no emotion, unless you count quitting and pouting, with Lamar Odom lollypopping backcourt passes and Bynum leveling J.J. Barea.

That was the note Phil Jackson left on, unlamented by management — demonstrating how he had no relationship with Jim Buss, his significant other’s brother – on his way out.

Then they hired Mike Brown, a decision widely torched by the local press.

(My choice would have been Jeff Van Gundy, whose years in New York showed he has the stage presence to stand a chance of replacing the Zen Spin Master. Brown is very nice but bland as it gets.)

Thankfully, the lockout then descended and everyone in Lakerdom fell into a deep, needed sleep.

GOOD MORNING, LAKERDOM!

Behold, a Laker season like all recent Laker seasons, but even more dramatic!

Between now and their hopes of landing Howard, Paul and/or Deron Williams lies the season, which, like all Laker seasons, can go either way, like a comet flaming across the sky, or cratering.

A great season will preserve their cachet, making them the sun of the NBA solar system.

A bad one like the one (2006-07) when Bryant tried to bail, wouldn’t leave them looking as good.

Brown did himself a lot of good by winning over Bryant, who had been fuming at having been left out of the loop, but that’s just the start.

Jackson’s genius lay in his constant, bemused self-assurance that allowed him to toy with expectations, calamity and the press corps like a seal with a beach ball on its nose.

Brown can’t calm stormy seas with a one-liner, so if this doesn’t start well, with Pau and Andrew aware of the speculation they’ll be gone, the usual jibes flung at Derek Fisher, et al …

Hey, if it was easy, anyone could do it. Phil Jackson, himself, only did it five years out of 11.


http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/11/28/hei ... d-cp3-too/

Hmmm...Pau and fillers for Chris Paul and Drew and fillers for Dwight?
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Lakerman JSJ on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:28 am

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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:32 am

The chance of getting Dwight is unlikely, chance of getting both highly unlikely. I think I'd rather have Dwight and Pau because of the versatility it presents.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby LakerFanIam on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:34 am

Yes Please...
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby silver0187 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:40 am

I lol'ed but still wished this to be true
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:43 am

That's a pretty bold statement there.

The Dwight trade is big enough and hard enough to accept. Pau for Paul? That's a pipe dream. I have to believe the Hornets could get a better offer than that.

Either way, trade away Pau and you have no size left to backup Odom and Howard (assuming Odom isn't gone in one of those trades anyway). Just the thought of Kobe, Pau, and Dwight is enough to get me salivating for the season.

But for fun:

Andrew Bynum/Lamar Odom for Dwight Howard/Ryan Andersen.

Pau Gasol/Darius Morris/1st round pick for Chris Paul/Aaron Gray

Sign Andrei Kirilenko, amnesty Blake, re-sign Brown

Paul/Fisher
Bryant/Brown/Goudelock
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Kirilenko/Andersen
Howard/Gray
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby kray28 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:53 am

LOL whatever.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:00 pm

Its crazy cause LA needs to start looking to do unconventional things. You need to trade big for small and you need to trade youth for experience. Orlando does it cause they will see Howard walk...and I'm sure they know it. Being a small market, it will be hard to draw a player for the crowds to get behind. A true center is hard to find in the modern NBA and one that comes with KAJ's tutelage. Not to mention, Drew is young and looks to be the staple of the offense and defense....Orlando can give him that, while in LA, he needs to adhere to the pecking order as Kob so eloquently put it.

With DWest possibly on the outs and the Bugs being a small market with nowhere to go, they gotta start somewhere and if they know that CP3 is not coming back, they can start with one of the best big men in the business. Gasol's contract appears to be friendly for being the franchise player...he also has already been extended, so he has no option but to stick it out with the Bugs. Also its easier to build a team around a big man than going the other way by sticking with CP3....so I can see them okay with this deal.

LA HAS to do this deal. Our salary situation looks terrible in the upcoming years. If you bring in players that are resigned during the current CBA (as Dwight and CP3 would be), then you are looking at smaller annual increases that you can put around Kobe's monstrosity of a contract. Recall that Gasol's extension has already occurred under the old CBA, so his annual hikes really hurt next to Kobe's.

Also you are looking at a young core that can compete for years together. You already have alignment happening in most major markets: NY with Amare and Melo, Miami with those 3, Chicago with Rose, Booz (who might still turn it around) and the rest of the Baby Bulls. Even in smaller markets, you have Westbrook and Durant, so LA is the only other relevant major market (screw Boston and Dtown still has Eminem, so they can live off that...haha) that doesn't sport a young core moving forward, so this is our power play! It has to happen for us to remain relevant past these next couple seasons. Not to mention with Coach Brown's defensive schemes and his casual approach at maintaining stars, CP3 and Howard would look really good next to Kobe....but that goes without saying.

It does look like we are going for the improbable homerun, but its almost like we have to.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby TheBrownMamba on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:08 pm

The Brown Mamba likes Mark Heisler article :bow:
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:16 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Its crazy cause LA needs to start looking to do unconventional things. You need to trade big for small and you need to trade youth for experience. Orlando does it cause they will see Howard walk...and I'm sure they know it. Being a small market, it will be hard to draw a player for the crowds to get behind. A true center is hard to find in the modern NBA and one that comes with KAJ's tutelage. Not to mention, Drew is young and looks to be the staple of the offense and defense....Orlando can give him that, while in LA, he needs to adhere to the pecking order as Kob so eloquently put it.

With DWest possibly on the outs and the Bugs being a small market with nowhere to go, they gotta start somewhere and if they know that CP3 is not coming back, they can start with one of the best big men in the business. Gasol's contract appears to be friendly for being the franchise player...he also has already been extended, so he has no option but to stick it out with the Bugs. Also its easier to build a team around a big man than going the other way by sticking with CP3....so I can see them okay with this deal.

LA HAS to do this deal. Our salary situation looks terrible in the upcoming years. If you bring in players that are resigned during the current CBA (as Dwight and CP3 would be), then you are looking at smaller annual increases that you can put around Kobe's monstrosity of a contract. Recall that Gasol's extension has already occurred under the old CBA, so his annual hikes really hurt next to Kobe's.

Also you are looking at a young core that can compete for years together. You already have alignment happening in most major markets: NY with Amare and Melo, Miami with those 3, Chicago with Rose, Booz (who might still turn it around) and the rest of the Baby Bulls. Even in smaller markets, you have Westbrook and Durant, so LA is the only other relevant major market (screw Boston and Dtown still has Eminem, so they can live off that...haha) that doesn't sport a young core moving forward, so this is our power play! It has to happen for us to remain relevant past these next couple seasons. Not to mention with Coach Brown's defensive schemes and his casual approach at maintaining stars, CP3 and Howard would look really good next to Kobe....but that goes without saying.

It does look like we are going for the improbable homerun, but its almost like we have to.


You make a decent argument, but I just don't see the Paul deal working that way. I just don't see the Lakers getting both guys. Dwight is something I am coming close to expecting to happen, but Paul? I just don't see it. I mean hell it'd be awesome and I think even on a shortened season with little experience together that team makes a run at the championship. But keep in mind, what do the Lakers do now with their depth situation underneath? We'd have no PF (Odom leaves with either Pau or Bynum, there's no way he doesn't) and no backup C.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby John3:16 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:30 pm

NBA controls the Hornets. For that reason alone, they won't allow the Lakers to get Paul.

IF (big if) we were to do it, we'd have to get Paul first to sidestep the NBA from ruining things.

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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:31 pm

Dwight, Kobe and CP3 would put us over the cap AND we would have to trade away just about everyone else and our picks for half a decade to make it work. Add to that the fact that to fill the team out we would have almost no avenue to acquire actual NBA caliber players and the Buss Family would pay astronomical taxes to boot....

Neither of these would be my choice for the "star" after Kobe retires either.......

WTS...... I'm sure the team IS looking for that star to keep people in the seats during the inevitable re-building coming in a year or two......
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:34 pm

CP3 is coming off injury and I'm sure he took care of himself this summer to get back to his pre-injury days. He's definitely got something to prove after hearing that he fell off and is no longer the best PG in the business. Howard obviously takes care of himself, so other than foul trouble, he is durable enough to stay on the court.

LO is valuable since he covers for us when Drew or Pau goes down. But with Howard, you aren't struggling to cover yourself for long durations of time (you'll only get Howard in foul trouble once in a while). A backup C can be had with possible options coming from the amnesty. Meanwhile CP3 can stay on the floor and has the discipline to do so.

I totally get that Heisler is blowing steam into his article to get hits, especially with the buzz around the lockout ending...but I think the Lakers have to seriously look into doing something pipe-worthy...haha.

Small teams will consider deals for star, cause they know that player movement will not only be geared towards big markets anymore. With this CBA, big market teams will fear that tax and small markets will have more options available to them now. If you pass on DWest to bring in Pau, that is completely justified. You have Okafor that plays the defensive center, while Pau plays the scoring 4. Ariza is still there and you have at least some direction to go in. CP3 would set up Chandler in the past and he's used to playing with centers like that. Okafor ain't that guy, but Dwight certainly is. CP3 knows that he can look alot better around the right type of personnel.

Its entirely impossible for the Lakers to have a coup like this, but I'm all for drinking the kool-aid in this case. They have to explore doing something like this, otherwise, we are cap strapped. If you are going to pay the majority of your salary to 2-3 players, it might as well be young players who have the durability to remain on the floor. This way you can round out the roster with lesser talent and don't need to highly be reliant of them.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:45 pm

lakerswiz wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Neither of these would be my choice for the "star" after Kobe retires either.......

The biggest thing I dread the most. To me Kobe = Lakers. Lakers = Kobe. I have not known a time where the Lakers and Kobe weren't essentially one and the same.

The next few years are going to be interesting. Though I truly believe that Kobe will have 2 or 3 really great years left and then start to dwindle down. I honestly believe this season will be one of his best yet.


I completely understand what your saying. Our current roster contains no one who can take over when Kobe slows down or retires. Sure we have Bynum but his injuries have led him to become inconsistent with his productivity and he's not the type of player which will attract fans. At least with Howard or Paul we know they're franchise players will show the Lakers a clearer path as to how they can work towards the championship once again.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:47 pm

John3:16 wrote:NBA controls the Hornets. For that reason alone, they won't allow the Lakers to get Paul.

IF (big if) we were to do it, we'd have to get Paul first to sidestep the NBA from ruining things.

Then the world is ours!


The NBA has a secret love affair with the lakers. Believe it or not they would love to have Dwight, Paul, Kobe vs Lebron wade and bosh

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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby John3:16 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:07 pm

last stand wrote: Dwight, Paul, Kobe vs Lebron wade and bosh

Thats ratings gold.


Lakers in 4. Maybe 3.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby last stand on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:09 pm

John3:16 wrote:
last stand wrote: Dwight, Paul, Kobe vs Lebron wade and bosh

Thats ratings gold.


Lakers in 4. Maybe 3.


Miami may not even play. They may just concede
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Frank Dux on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:23 pm

:man10: ain't happening.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby revgen on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:26 pm

If Dwight Howard and Chris Paul wind up on the market — a safe assumption as far as I’m concerned — the Lakers could offer Andrew Bynum for Dwight and Pau Gasol for CP3, or vice versa.


In other words, they'd take Howard if it's Bynum for Dwight straight up. Not Bynum + Odom or Bynum + Gasol as some have mentioned. I sincerely doubt NOH is going to going to give up CP3 for Pau unless CP3's ankle is really as bad as they say in the rumor mill.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Snake Eyes on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:09 pm

Frank Dux wrote::man10: ain't happening.


That was my initial reaction as well. But as JSM said, I am happy to have the crazy rumors back because it means basketball season is near!
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:39 pm

No way in hell this happens, but it sure is fun to be talking about it again.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Alcindor on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:42 pm

Heisler is trippin' to think we can land DH and CP3 both.

lakerswiz wrote:Can we just pause for a minute and realize what this article has told us?

The Lakers, are going to make upwards of $170 million a season in profit on average. That's almost triple what the New York Knicks made last season, the highest profiting team in the league.


Not mentioned by Heisler is the new revenue sharing agreement which triples the amount of money that is shared to the league. It was this very contract that got the rest of the owners salivating and wanting to eat off of Buss' plate. What that works out to exactly dollar-wise and leaves the Laker's with isn't clear yet. Hopefully they'll have the details finalized in the next few days and some finance guru can give the breakdown. Clearly it will be a lot less than $170 but still LA should be the most profitable team.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby Barnstable on Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:01 pm

^That's exactly what I was thinking. This idea really depends on how the details of the revenue sharing works out.

Might be pipe, but also might be very realistic if we are willing to pay a ridiculous amount of penalty because of that tv contract.
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:24 pm

In 2012, Lakers do not pick up Bynum's final year and amnesty Pau Gasol.

$$ for Dwight and CP3. :man10:
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Re: Mark Heisler: Lakers Will Look to Acquire Dwight AND CP3

Postby live and die in LA on Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:28 pm

Getting both is impossible, the better question is which player would you rather have? I would say Dwight easily if we still had Phil Jackson as our coach, moving to a traditional offense makes it a tougher decision.
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