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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 9:14 am

I wonder if Cuban can pull off what Riley did in Miami & sign CP3/Howard to join aging guys like Dirk and Marion. They'd have to give up a ton of money to do this, Wouldn't be the 1st time superstars gave up less money to team up (ahem Miami). But they would be the 1st pair to leave LA and its glamor
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby abeer3 on Tue May 07, 2013 9:24 am

two things to consider there:

1. i think the mavs would have to dump marion, and even then, cp and howard would both take paycuts.
2. the small paycuts probably made more sense for bosh/lebron because they're young enough to recoup some of that on their next huge deal. also, they didn't have to give up years to switch teams. paul and howard both have some injury history to be concerned about, which should make the extra year worth more to them, imo.

all that said, the team that can actually pay them both and still field a quality unit is atlanta (as i mentioned previously in this thread). still giving up the year and the market, though.

but those scenarios concern me more than houston. i just find it hard to believe that playing with james harden (in houston, tx, no less) is worth risking 30 million and leaving los angeles. same with playing with a 35 year old dirk in dallas. these situations are only enticing if paul and howard get to team up.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 9:33 am

abeer3 wrote:but those scenarios concern me more than houston. i just find it hard to believe that playing with james harden (in houston, tx, no less) is worth risking 30 million and leaving los angeles. same with playing with a 35 year old dirk in dallas. these situations are only enticing if paul and howard get to team up.


If I was Howard, I would rather play with Harden/Parsons/Lin then sacrifice another year of playing in MDA's brain-dead system... which will not even work because most of our shooters can't even shoot a good %... so yeah.... it does look like Houston/ATL and even Cleveland is favored to land Howard right now... unless the Lakers have some master plan to built this team around Howard by july.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 9:35 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:
abeer3 wrote:but those scenarios concern me more than houston. i just find it hard to believe that playing with james harden (in houston, tx, no less) is worth risking 30 million and leaving los angeles. same with playing with a 35 year old dirk in dallas. these situations are only enticing if paul and howard get to team up.


If I was Howard, I would rather play with Harden/Parsons/Lin then sacrifice another year of playing in MDA's brain-dead system... which will not even work because most of our shooters can't even shoot a good %... so yeah.... it does look like Houston/ATL and even Cleveland is favored to land Howard right now... unless the Lakers have some master plan to built this team around Howard by july.


:man10:

The Rockets were below the Lakers in the standings and they couldn't even get past a short handed OKC team what makes HOU so desirable? Lol
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby Center Court on Tue May 07, 2013 9:37 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:
abeer3 wrote:but those scenarios concern me more than houston. i just find it hard to believe that playing with james harden (in houston, tx, no less) is worth risking 30 million and leaving los angeles. same with playing with a 35 year old dirk in dallas. these situations are only enticing if paul and howard get to team up.


If I was Howard, I would rather play with Harden/Parsons/Lin then sacrifice another year of playing in MDA's brain-dead system... which will not even work because most of our shooters can't even shoot a good %... so yeah.... it does look like Houston/ATL and even Cleveland is favored to land Howard right now... unless the Lakers have some master plan to built this team around Howard by july.


You keep saying you're going to leave this board but you never end up doing... why?

And FYI, 3 teams can't be favored. That doesn't make any sense. Think.

I suppose what you're so eloquently failing to try and express is that the Lakers are the worst destination for him. Maybe, maybe not. But at this point the only clear thing is that no team is favored.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 9:40 am

The Rock wrote:The Rockets were below the Lakers in the standings and they couldn't even get past a short handed OKC team what makes HOU so desirable? Lol


The Rockets hit a wall at the end of the season, just like most mid-tier mediocre teams do, but I do not care what the Rockets did this season. and I bet most teams that are gonna go after DH have a plan to create a better roster, unlike the Lakers who per Heisler's source think another full training-camp will do wonders for this team.... like GTFO.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 9:44 am

Center Point -- you may have a point that no team is favored to land DH; but I bet most of the teams besides the Lakers actually care to make there roster better. the Lakers seem content in standing-pat... and having the likes of Meeks/Sacre/Clark be the savior......... YAWNNNNNN
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 9:45 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:
The Rock wrote:The Rockets were below the Lakers in the standings and they couldn't even get past a short handed OKC team what makes HOU so desirable? Lol


The Rockets hit a wall at the end of the season, just like most mid-tier mediocre teams do, but I do not care what the Rockets did this season. and I bet most teams that are gonna go after DH have a plan to create a better roster, unlike the Lakers who per Heisler's source think another full training-camp will do wonders for this team.... like GTFO.


But I thought the Rockets were young and talented? LOL. And nobody has taken Heisler seriously for 3 years. You can hope and wish all you want, Dwight aint comin to the Rockets. Good luck with Morey and his stat loving :man10:
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby karacha on Tue May 07, 2013 9:46 am

Dwight will stay and the Lakers will be fine.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 9:52 am

karacha wrote:Dwight will stay and the Lakers will be fine.


Then I hope they surround Howard with better athletes/shooters.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 9:55 am

Marc Stein saying CP3 probably stays. I guess we can forget about Dallas then

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/57961/del-negro-out-in-l-a-chris-paul-staying
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 10:01 am

This point is really scary....

All indications continue to suggest that Dwight Howard is far more likely to give serious thought to leaving Hollywood than Chris Paul.


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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby karacha on Tue May 07, 2013 10:01 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:
karacha wrote:Dwight will stay and the Lakers will be fine.


Then I hope they surround Howard with better athletes/shooters.


They will. I think Mitch is working on that 2014 plan. In the meantime, if he can do something about one or more of these guys: Nash, Metta, Pau and perhaps Blake -- we'll should get slightly better in 2013/2014 too.

And even if Dwight somehow leaves, it's not the end of the world. We're talking about the Lakers here. Relax and enjoy the ride.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue May 07, 2013 10:16 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:This point is really scary....

All indications continue to suggest that Dwight Howard is far more likely to give serious thought to leaving Hollywood than Chris Paul.


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Do you wanna cite that source chief?
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby abeer3 on Tue May 07, 2013 10:53 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:This point is really scary....

All indications continue to suggest that Dwight Howard is far more likely to give serious thought to leaving Hollywood than Chris Paul.


:(


same article, further down:

Another source went so far as to predict that there's "zero chance" of Paul giving up the fifth year and nearly $30 million extra guaranteed that he can earn only by re-signing with the Clips. The strategy there: Take the money now and worry about finding a new home via trade later if the Clips can't build on this season's successes to establish themselves as true title contenders.


why does this logic only apply to paul and the clippers?
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 11:11 am

Point I read on FB& G> The owners/players can opt out of this current CBA deal in 4 years. Theres no telling if Dwight can make up that extra $30 mil he'd forgo here and how much more stringent the owners can get the next time he'll be a FA at age 32/33.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 11:12 am

Probably, because Paul is more confident in the Clippers ability to build a winner. Howard is gonna be stuck with the same roster/ same coach if he resigns...
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby Weezy on Tue May 07, 2013 11:25 am

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:Probably, because Paul is more confident in the Clippers ability to build a winner. Howard is gonna be stuck with the same roster/ same coach if he resigns...


Do you read what you write before you hit submit? "The Clippers ability to built a winner", the Clippers have not built a winner in their entire freaking history, not even one time. :man10: The best season they've ever had just ended in a first round exit. The Clippers don't build winners, they sucked so they ended up with their first not screwed up #1 pick ever, then Stern gifted them CP3 after taking him from us, they gave way too much to Jordan, they somehow landed Billups with a perfect bid (hmm...), and that caused good free agents to sign there for once. To top it off though they give this deep, supposedly great team a first time coach, genius. The Clippers don't have an ability to build a winner, they have an ability to somehow mess up good things, you gotta start thinking before you post man.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby abeer3 on Tue May 07, 2013 12:46 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:Probably, because Paul is more confident in the Clippers ability to build a winner. Howard is gonna be stuck with the same roster/ same coach if he resigns...


then they're both dunces. if any franchise has a proven ability to build winners, it's the lakers and not the clippers. and not the rockets, either, despite your bizarrely high level of respect for their intensely mediocre roster.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 12:52 pm

Weezy- you have a point, I just think with how the Clippers are currently constructed they have better pieces to move for better talent. the Lakers do not have much flexibility to Improve and there only hope is the 2014 Cap-plan...... I don't think Howard can stomach another bad mediocre year.
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 12:57 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:Weezy- you have a point, I just think with how the Clippers are currently constructed they have better pieces to move for better talent. the Lakers do not have much flexibility to Improve and there only hope is the 2014 Cap-plan...... I don't think Howard can stomach another bad mediocre year.


if Howard says to Morey. You had superstars in Houston (T-Mac and Yao) & they had superstars in LA (Kobe & Gasol). LA was able to win the finals twice while the Tmac/Yao pairing got out of the 1st round once. Why should I give up $30 mil & join a team that's recent history shows no success with its superstars. What would you say? The future looks better? Lol how can you say the future looks better when the recent history shows that Houston has not done jack with the superstars it has had while the Lakers have decades and decades of winning titles with the superstars they got (including 2 in the last 5 years)
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby C0TT0NCANDY on Tue May 07, 2013 1:00 pm

I don't care what the Rockets have done in the past and present but anyone with a brain knows they are the dark-horse team to steal away Howard from the Lakers... and maybe Dallas or Cleveland...
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby The Rock on Tue May 07, 2013 1:01 pm

Yea a superstar is gonna give up $30 mil to someone who has very little history of success :man10: ok
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby JGC on Tue May 07, 2013 1:03 pm

C0TT0NCANDY wrote:Weezy- you have a point, I just think with how the Clippers are currently constructed they have better pieces to move for better talent. the Lakers do not have much flexibility to Improve and there only hope is the 2014 Cap-plan...... I don't think Howard can stomach another bad mediocre year.


That's true but you realized that this is because they sucked for years (got good draft picks like Griffin) whereas we're coming off back to back championship wins right?
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Re: D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 07, 2013 1:15 pm

abeer3 wrote:
C0TT0NCANDY wrote:This point is really scary....

All indications continue to suggest that Dwight Howard is far more likely to give serious thought to leaving Hollywood than Chris Paul.


:(


same article, further down:

Another source went so far as to predict that there's "zero chance" of Paul giving up the fifth year and nearly $30 million extra guaranteed that he can earn only by re-signing with the Clips. The strategy there: Take the money now and worry about finding a new home via trade later if the Clips can't build on this season's successes to establish themselves as true title contenders.


why does this logic only apply to paul and the clippers?


Howard's team has to know the lay of the land....
30M more and a year longer to stay with the Lakers....
The Lakers will have to rebuild from the ground up under the new CBA...no guarantees that they can build a winning team around him.....
Adidas will most likely give him a similar lifetime contract to D-Roses and the amount of it will depend on his overall marketability.... City is a large part but also is being in the Playoffs and finals keep him in public view longer...
Go to a team with a core under contract and a "known" situation.....
Finally..... Taxes!. Texas has no income tax. CA has about 13% for someone in his category. That's $2,600,000 on a 20M/Yr salary....

I'm sure all of that will play into his final decision. Don't discount the taxes aspect.... even if Adidas gives him a bigger contract in LA the taxes may negate a large part of it. Also, taxes on accumulated wealth (investments) are at play here. If he's making big money on invested past earnings he could be doubling that tax bill or more.....
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