abeer3 wrote:come on, roo. i know you hate paul, but he's worth two hardens, imo. and you won't find many who would even put them on the same tier, much less equate them.
First I don't evaluate players based on what others think..... so I won't typically follow the pack on that. That much should be evident by my posts.
Results when it counts is what counts for me..... That's why Kobe is still in my top 2 in the league even when it's evident that his skills and athleticism have faded..... Melo is a probably a better scorer at this point but who would equate them on the same level?
As for Harden vs Paul. Paul is very overrated IMO. He cannot take a game over when the opposing team decides to take away the triple pick and roll and make him beat them. What is it now...... 4 playoffs where his teams have failed miserably when the opposing teams do that?
I also view his game in the same way I view Nash's.... it's a regular season effective/post season ineffective game for the most part. The 6' massively ball dominant one-way guard isn't really that valuable in the post season when teams can plan for them for 7 games. Make them the scorer and the rest of the team loses interest. Pretty plain to see if you look at the last two years or Nash's deep playoff runs. I don't value Harden any higher than Paul other than the fact he's still young and can fill in the gaps in his game. He also can win a game with his scoring and has done so a few times. Defensively they are equally ineffective as well.
I argued with several here last summer about Nash.... I was told that I was out of the "group" then as well. I was told that Nash could easily adjust to being the off side spot up shooter and that he didn't need the ball all of the time to be effective in the Princeton offense. That was so untenable that we rushed out and got the coach that made him the most successful......
Leadership..... As you like to say... Houston barely made the playoffs.... the Clips won a division. Clips have another pseudo Star... Houston doesn't. Both ended the season the same way and yet you would put one teams leader twice the others. That's how I define players..... not on Fantasy stats and popularity contests. Now adjust those results based on experience.... Paul's been his team's leader for 7 years... Harden got his first shot at it.
Harden's a jerk with an incomplete game.....Paul's a phony leader that uses his position in the league to cheat and has no success to his credit to warrant his "Super Star" status other than the league likes his look in commercials. Neither guy I'd want on the Lakers as the one to pair with Howard. The only caveat is that Harden can still develop. Paul is about at the peak and starting on the way down IMO.
So...... for the next 5 years I'd say they are about equal considering that Paul may be more valuable currently but Harden has a ton more upside at this point..... and if I'm playing with this person for 5 years I'd weigh the 3rd, 4th and 5th years a lot more than year one and two because what ever team it is will have to fill in around them for a year or two to be ready to realistically challenge.