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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 22, 2013 8:22 am

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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed May 22, 2013 8:29 am

^^^Hahaha...your gifs are always a good time Doc.

But seriously....LA will always be a major draw...both for living and finances (via big market lure). Dwight would be out of his mind to go to Houston and I have zero doubt that we won't retain him. But with Dwight or without Dwight....management needs to change. Unlike my faith in retaining him, I have 100% doubt in our ownership's decision making.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed May 22, 2013 8:44 am

Well, we'll just have to wait & see what transpires during the next 6-7 weeks. We already knew next year was going to be difficult. Without Dwight, next season gets more arduous. We may find ourselves in the lottery...
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Re: Dwight Discussion: D12 felt marginalized by MDA (989)

Postby noobiew on Wed May 22, 2013 8:54 am

JGC wrote:
noobiew wrote:Why our FO is so dumb and keep insist holding on on MDA, everyone know that MDA is not a good fit and a bad hire, just admit the mistake and correct it, I don't know why until today our FO still support MDA and wanted him be the Lakers coach, is this serious that the Lakers FO really considering keeping MDA over Dwight, that a very big risk there.


Well, I think you have to consider the situation. If Dwight leaves, why would you go and get another coach? That would just be a waste of money. Might as well roll with MDA and figure out your roster plan.

If they fire MDA now to appease Dwight, and then he bolts anyway, then what was the point in firing MDA? So you can pay the next coach practically double just to lose? You can lose with MDA for half the price!

IMO, the domino that needs to fall is Dwight signing. If he signs, you have some options. You can roll with MDA for next year which IMO is a lost year anyway and start over in 2014. Or, you can fire him and get someone who will help get this team back to contention (which I personally do not believe is feasible next year given the roster, Kobe's injury, etc). Or, you can keep him and bank on the alleged success we had in the final 40 games when we went 28-12 and add training camp, health (relative health), etc to the mix.

This is why the Lakers want him to sign sooner, rather than later.


I get your point, it's already very clear that Dwight Howard doesn't like and don't want to play for MDA, but we don't know that whether the MDA thing is a prerequisite to resign or a justification/excuse for him to move out, that's why Jimmy and Mitch need to see and talk to Dwight face to face to get a clear picture and figure out what he wants, tell Dwight that if you really want the coach gone, promise him once you resign the coach will be gone.

So get a guarantee word and commitment from Dwight first before dumping MDA.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed May 22, 2013 9:04 am

The Dallas Mavericks, with their first lottery draft pick in a dozen years firmly in hand, have their eyes on a bigger prize.

Multiple sources have told ESPN.com's Chad Ford the Mavs are likely to shop the pick in hopes of creating the cap space necessary to make a run at Dwight Howard in free agency.

The 13th overall pick has a cap hold of $1,655,300.

One of the Mavs' future first-round picks is already in the possession of the Oklahoma City Thunder. That pick, which is top-20-protected through 2017, was given up in the deal that brought Lamar Odom to Dallas.

The Los Angeles Lakers traded it to Houston along with Derek Fisher for Jordan Hill, and it then became part of the package the Rockets gave up for James Harden.

If the Mavs hold on to this year's pick, Ford projects them to select Croatian teenage small forward Dario Saric.

Dirk Nowitzki, who said he'd take a "significant pay cut" next summer, plans to join Mark Cuban, president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson and coach Rick Carlisle on the Mavs' recruiting committee this summer.

The hope is to sell Howard or Chris Paul -- who would each have to sacrifice a fifth year on the max contract that he could get from the Lakers and Clippers, respectively -- on the possibility of building a championship contender.

"We'd love to get one of the main guys," Nowitzki said last week. "It's going to be tough to get them out of the situation that they're in. I think that's pretty easy [to see]. I think both are in L.A., where you want to play basketball, and both are in great positions and situations. We'll just have to wait and see."

Howard has not publicly indicated whether he intends to re-sign with the Lakers when he becomes a free agent July 1 or explore opportunities with other teams. He can sign a five-year, $118 million max-level extension to stay in L.A., while the most he could receive if he left is a four-year deal worth $87.6 million.

Multiple sources with knowledge of Howard's thinking have told ESPNLosAngeles.com he is expected to entertain the free-agency process and hear competing offers.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby wykedLaker on Wed May 22, 2013 9:07 am

here's an article from Sam Amick, apparently Dwight has narrowed his choices to Lakers and Rockets....

http://www.sportscity.com/nba-dwight-howard-reportedly-deciding-between-lakers-and-rockets/2013/05/21/
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby karacha on Wed May 22, 2013 9:08 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:
T"We'd love to get one of the main guys," Nowitzki said last week. "It's going to be tough to get them out of the situation that they're in.... both are in L.A., where you want to play basketball....
"It's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents." :mhihi:

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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 22, 2013 10:01 am

karacha wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:
T"We'd love to get one of the main guys," Nowitzki said last week. "It's going to be tough to get them out of the situation that they're in.... both are in L.A., where you want to play basketball....

Haha.. Come on over & take that paycut here Dirk.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby abeer3 on Wed May 22, 2013 10:22 am

karacha wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:
T"We'd love to get one of the main guys," Nowitzki said last week. "It's going to be tough to get them out of the situation that they're in.... both are in L.A., where you want to play basketball....


dirk also says both are in "great situations". funny, because if I just read cl, i'd think the lakers were doomed.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 22, 2013 10:41 am

abeer3 wrote:dantoni just needs to sit down with howard and tell him that he'll coach to his strengths


This presupposes that they agree on what his "strengths" are. This is where SVG and Howard got sideways initially.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby D.B. Cooper on Wed May 22, 2013 10:43 am

When I read that Dirk quote I couldn't help but :mhihi:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Juronimo on Wed May 22, 2013 10:46 am

abeer3 wrote:
karacha wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:
T"We'd love to get one of the main guys," Nowitzki said last week. "It's going to be tough to get them out of the situation that they're in.... both are in L.A., where you want to play basketball....


dirk also says both are in "great situations". funny, because if I just read cl, i'd think the lakers were doomed.


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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby khmrP on Wed May 22, 2013 10:46 am

D.B. Cooper wrote:When I read that Dirk quote I couldn't help but :mhihi:


I'd still like to see them get Cp3, then Clipp fans can crawl back into their hole from which they once came and belong!
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed May 22, 2013 11:06 am

khmrP wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:When I read that Dirk quote I couldn't help but :mhihi:


I'd still like to see them get Cp3, then Clipp fans can crawl back into their hole from which they once came and belong!



i'd like CP3 in Indiana...out of the Western Conference and flopping against the Heat and them
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Chillbongo on Wed May 22, 2013 11:12 am

pound4pound1 wrote:
khmrP wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:When I read that Dirk quote I couldn't help but :mhihi:


I'd still like to see them get Cp3, then Clipp fans can crawl back into their hole from which they once came and belong!



i'd like CP3 in Indiana...out of the Western Conference and flopping against the Heat and them

CP3 reunion with David West?

By the way... what is even the ideal team built around CP3 supposed to look like? For being the best PG in the game and supposedly a top 4 NBA player....why has the dude never made it to the Finals? This Clipper team was supposed to go far and it's not all VDN's fault.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 22, 2013 11:55 am

khmrP wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:When I read that Dirk quote I couldn't help but :mhihi:


I'd still like to see them get Cp3, then Clipp fans can crawl back into their hole from which they once came and belong!

Yep, it would narrow it down to us & Houston for D12. CP3 would use up Dallas' cap space & kill ATL's dreams of signing both.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 22, 2013 12:22 pm

Chillbongo wrote:By the way... what is even the ideal team built around CP3 supposed to look like? For being the best PG in the game and supposedly a top 4 NBA player....why has the dude never made it to the Finals? This Clipper team was supposed to go far and it's not all VDN's fault.

Off topic but I'd say a team perfect for Paul would be:

a) an athletic team that can rebound and run
b) a team with a good-to-great backup PG
c) a team with a scoring option (create for themselves)
d) a team with a big (or two or three) who can defend the rim.

I think the team he has now, but with a better Center and a SF who can actually shoot is the perfect team for him.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed May 22, 2013 12:45 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:By the way... what is even the ideal team built around CP3 supposed to look like? For being the best PG in the game and supposedly a top 4 NBA player....why has the dude never made it to the Finals? This Clipper team was supposed to go far and it's not all VDN's fault.

Off topic but I'd say a team perfect for Paul would be:

a) an athletic team that can rebound and run
b) a team with a good-to-great backup PG
c) a team with a scoring option (create for themselves)
d) a team with a big (or two or three) who can defend the rim.

I think the team he has now, but with a better Center and a SF who can actually shoot is the perfect team for him.



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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed May 22, 2013 12:52 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:By the way... what is even the ideal team built around CP3 supposed to look like? For being the best PG in the game and supposedly a top 4 NBA player....why has the dude never made it to the Finals? This Clipper team was supposed to go far and it's not all VDN's fault.

Off topic but I'd say a team perfect for Paul would be:

a) an athletic team that can rebound and run
b) a team with a good-to-great backup PG
c) a team with a scoring option (create for themselves)
d) a team with a big (or two or three) who can defend the rim.

I think the team he has now, but with a better Center and a SF who can actually shoot is the perfect team for him.


I think if the Clippers had a post up big man PF/C, that would put them over the top. DeAndre and Blake can't do that, and the Clippers are forced to jumpshoot and get transition baskets. That's their game.

But with the game slowed down, and a coach and team who can defend the pick and roll like the Grizzlies did, it exposed them. Being able to dump in the post for high percentage shots and opportunities is what it's about.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Tobias Funke on Wed May 22, 2013 12:55 pm

Chillbongo wrote:CP3 reunion with David West?

By the way... what is even the ideal team built around CP3 supposed to look like? For being the best PG in the game and supposedly a top 4 NBA player....why has the dude never made it to the Finals? This Clipper team was supposed to go far and it's not all VDN's fault.


The rumblings will start next season Im sure. Im not saying he has loaded teams, but as time goes by people will forget what you had or didn't have and focus on what you've won or haven't won. This is a guy that some people have called the best PG ever not named Magic, so there's definitely even more pressure to win.

The one vivid memory of Paul I have is from the 2nd round series vs the Spurs in 08. Game 7, in New Orleans, and I remember telling my buddy that if its a close game there's no way the Hornets will win, because every game in the series had been a blowout for either team, so it was the perfect storm for a disappearing act from Paul down the stretch. Sure enough, game was close, and Paul was content watching Janero freaking Pargo hoist up shots in crunch time. Dont have to ask how that turned out.

Anyways, as (I think) Roos has said before, its really not as much a point guard driven era as people think it is, atleast when it matters most, winning championships. There just happens to be alot of good point guards in the league.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 22, 2013 12:56 pm

CP3 in Indiana would worry me more than the Heat. I have my doubts about him staying healthy but if there was ever a team that has everything he needs to be surrounded by, that's it.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Chillbongo on Wed May 22, 2013 2:24 pm

Exactly, big shoes to fill. He doesn't have loaded teams but the air in which his name is spoken makes you think that a team like this Clipper one (at least) is enough to get past the first round, especially in your 2nd year with the core. Especially with a solid backup point guard, a team that can rebound, with veteran players, and the deepest bench in the league.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby The Rock on Wed May 22, 2013 2:57 pm

Dwight when asked why he sucked on D 1st half of the season says "Oohhh I wasn't supposed to play till January Im not 100% ya know" at every opportunity he got...then he turns around and says MDA didn't utilize him. So which excuse is it? Also Offense has nothing to do with defense you had guys like McGee and Ed Davis routinely outplay you. You also got the 2nd most post touches in the league. But yeaaaa lets conveniently ignore all the facts and twist them to make you sound like the victim

I like what Dwight has to offer but he has to keep it real. He didn't get the job done in an adequate manner with the opportunities he got. Rest of the team isn't blameless either but dont act like you didnt get any chances
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 22, 2013 2:59 pm

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He's fully on board with something he's never done in his career. Wonderful.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

Postby Chillbongo on Wed May 22, 2013 3:02 pm

saying D'Antoni is fully "on board."


On board his one-way flight out of LAX?
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