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Postby JLaker17 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:43 pm

Really anxious to see how this all plays out...
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Postby trodgers on Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:01 pm

I don't know if I care, honestly. Disliked the way he carried himself before he came here. He grew on me toward season's end...but if he can't just sign, then I say, "Good riddance."
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:03 pm

Take notes D12. Roy Hibbert is showing you how a real center leads and dominates the game.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:06 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Take notes D12. Roy Hibbert is showing you how a real center leads and dominates the game.

I sorta agree, but D12 did lead his team to the Finals too (thrugs shoulders)
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Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:23 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Take notes D12. Roy Hibbert is showing you how a real center leads and dominates the game.

his post-game presser was borderline disastrous though depending on who you ask
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Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Take notes D12. Roy Hibbert is showing you how a real center leads and dominates the game.

Dwight was the best C in the league at that when he had a defensive minded coach, & Hibbert has an even better one.
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Postby Murdock on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:03 am

Like Simmons said ... Dwight shooting a ball is like hurling a rock ... his hands are Kwame-like, he has no touch and no offensive fundamentals ... He seriously needs some Kareem tutelage
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Postby The Rock on Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:44 am

Not sure if this is posted already...Dwight interview with TJ Simers
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-simers-dwight-howard-20130602,0,6650040,full.column

We all met at UCLA, Howard was as friendly as always and relaxed after fishing trips to Lake Tahoe and Aspen.

He posted Twitter pictures of the fish that had jumped in his boat or the ones he claimed he had caught. But they were the wrong kind of trophies for some Lakers fans.

"You just can't please people," Howard said. "I catch fish and it's a problem. People were upset I was out having fun; they thought I should be sitting in a room all upset because we lost.

"I am upset, but I'm not going to stop living life.

"I couldn't watch the playoffs I was so ticked. Everywhere I went I saw a Tim Duncan jersey, and you know how much I hated that."

We talked about Mike D'Antoni, why Howard hasn't committed to the Lakers and his plans to work with former NBA sharpshooter Chris Mullin.

We also chatted about his desire to make movies.

"Maybe 'Kazaam II'," he joked in reference to Shaq's bomb. "Actually I'm working right now on some stuff with Disney."

"Do they have a Disney studio in Houston?" I asked.

"Time to shoot free throws," said Howard.

My daughter has been busy potty training the twins, so she didn't know anything about Howard.

"I had to Google you," Kelzer told him when they met, and I have no idea why she's so direct. "Ask me about 'Sesame Street,' though, and I'm your girl."

Howard took the bait. He said he could make more free throws left-handed than she could right-handed. He said he'd donate $5,000 to charity if he was wrong.

He was wrong, although after hanging around Howard, Kelzer's shooting percentage plunged.

Howard could not have been more gracious in setting himself up for defeat. That's why I like him. He keeps things in perspective, although it seems to bother serious basketball fans and players.

"Can't we have some fun?" he shouted, while doing a spot-on goofy imitation of the daughter's shooting motion.

He declined Kelzer's offer to help with his shooting technique, saying he will not change the way he shoots free throws this off-season. He'll just shoot more of them.


"I have only one problem and it's between my ears," he said, while admitting he visited a Lakers' psychiatrist. "I just think too much."

They moved to three-point territory for a game of "around the world," advancing from spot to spot after making a three-pointer.

Kelzer quickly left Howard behind, yelling to him, "How's your world doing?"

It was all good, Howard singing and rolling with every trash jab, although admitting he no longer intends to be a people-pleaser.

"I can't do it anymore," he said. "I can't please everybody."

What prompted the change?

"When I came back from my shoulder injury, some didn't think I was giving my all," he said. "And nobody wanted to hear what I said about coming off back surgery. It wasn't fair to me. I was on a walker and four months later playing basketball. I played hurt."

Once Howard felt better, the Lakers' record noticeably improved, and yet some still do not acknowledge his value.

"One year ago I couldn't do this," he said while standing on one foot. "I was so limited. I couldn't lift, sprint or shoot. This summer I'll shoot 1,000 shots every day."

The poor rims, they're in for such a beating.

"You watch," he said.

"I don't see many Atlanta games," I told him.

The media can't seem to stop guessing where Howard will land. Some report they know what he's thinking, although this was his first interview since the Lakers' quick end to the season.

"I have no idea what people are saying," he said. "I don't pay attention to the good, bad or the ugly. Or else I couldn't live.

"I locked myself in my house last year, but no more. I feel so much better now, healthy, more fun to come and I know I can make a difference next season."

In Dallas?

Just for the record, he doesn't always smile.

The daughter and Howard continued shooting for almost two hours, or as long as it took him to finally beat her.

Between missed shots, I asked why he hasn't committed to the Lakers.

"It's free agency and I have the opportunity to choose where I'm going to play," he said. "God opens doors, and I'm relying on my faith to direct me.

"I don't think it's fair I get criticized for waiting on such an opportunity."

But what does he want in a team?

"I want to win; I've done everything else," he said. "I just want to win."


Can the Lakers win?

"Any team I am on can win," he said with a grin, "but nice try."

What about getting more money or a chance to do TV shows here?

"I'll get those opportunities later; it's all about winning now," he said.

So what do you think of D'Antoni?

"I love him," he said. "He's a great person."

Is he a great coach?

"He's a great person and I'm glad we had the opportunity to be together," said Howard, which some will undoubtedly interpret as goodbye.

What was never explicitly said, but also seemed to hang heavy in the air was the uncertainty in the Lakers' front office, with Jim and Jeanie Buss.

"I want to see what each opportunity offers," Howard said. "I want to see how people plan on winning."

"So will I be seeing you next season?" I concluded.

"I'm always a phone call or tweet away," he said, while whistling and moving on.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:53 am

^^All of his talk about getting better has been just that.... talk.

I 3 year old could see that he has a problem mechanically shooting any face up shot.... much less a free throw.

I will wholeheartedly agree with one thing he said.....

I have only one problem and it's between my ears,"


If he said this stuff.... he's delusional......
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:01 am

^ I do believe most of his issues is between his ears, at the line at least.
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Postby JGC on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:01 am

If he is all about winning, then he should be looking at other teams. We are not on the right course at the moment. If it's about money, then he should stay. Let's hope he is about what we don't want players to be about, just for now, and then let's hope he is about what we want players to be about later!
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:06 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:^ I do believe most of his issues is between his ears, at the line at least.


Not so sure about that Puffy.... his form is different from free throw to free throw.... he rarely even releases the ball the same two times in a row. He will bring it up in front of his face one time and then to the side of his head the next. He will lean forward on one and then fade to the side on the next. He will extend his arm a few times only to then start shooting with his elbow at about 120°.... he will snap his wrist then just shot put it....

Free throws are a routine that is second nature and the only way to overcome what he has going on is practice a routine that is rooted in a fundamental form of shooting.

If his problem is between his ears it's in that he doesn't think he needs to practice......
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:13 am

^I agree that the form is off but I do believe it has more to do with overthinking than bad form all together. He seems to be trying to do his own thing to me. That being said, he does not seem to work on any of it the right way at all. In essence I agree with your point Dwight has a lot of growing up to do essentially.
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Postby JGC on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:06 pm

As shocking as this may sound coming from me puff, I actually agree with you on this one. His form clearly isn't ideal, but, there are a lot of players who don't have perfect form and still shoot better (and much better). Take Duncan for instance. His form, IMO, is not ideal (esp that foot that turns in).

Better form will improve Dwight's FT shooting no doubt ... but I view FT shooting like golf. Just get a routine down, practice it over and over and over and over again until you can hit the ball consistently. You can do it well (though perhaps not elite) without great form, but even with good form if you don't practice and build a routine I think the ceiling is lower.
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Postby revgen on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:45 pm

If it's all about "winning" for D12, then I don't see him coming back to a team that may not have Pau or Kobe after next season unless he's willing to sign a 1 year deal and see how things are in 2014.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:47 pm

If you actually read the whole thing A**face (aka Simers) paints a pretty bleak picture. :man10:
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:55 pm

In the Simers article, the part that SHOULD have been highlighted above all else was the gem at the end about D'Antoni:

So what do you think of D'Antoni?

"I love him," he said. "He's a great person."

Is he a great coach?

"He's a great person and I'm glad we had the opportunity to be together," said Howard, which some will undoubtedly interpret as goodbye.
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Postby revgen on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:58 pm

therealdeal wrote:If you actually read the whole thing A**face (aka Simers) paints a pretty bleak picture. :man10:


That's the Simers schtick.

Which makes me wonder why these athletes do interviews with him at all.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:28 pm

JGC wrote: there are a lot of players who don't have perfect form and still shoot better (and much better).


Don't confuse form with consistency. Marion has terrible "text book" form.... but he's consistently shot the ball the same exact way since college. He is successful with it not because of the form but because he's consistent and has practiced the same thing over and over.

Howard seems to think that it's just a matter of a few trip to the "couch" and he'll magically be over it. That's a work ethic problem.... not a basketball one. Concentration, dedication and work is needed to become a good free throw shooter.

Karl Malone and Tim Duncan have put it the time and grew into better shooters over the years. Duncan lost a couple playoff series in his career because of his free throw shooting..... so he worked at it and has become much better.

I've always had my suspicions about Howard not being dedicated to getting better. If these comments above are true they have been realized. He has a ton of talent but the attitude of a privileged little kid.....
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Postby OX1947 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:In the Simers article, the part that SHOULD have been highlighted above all else was the gem at the end about D'Antoni:

So what do you think of D'Antoni?

"I love him," he said. "He's a great person."

Is he a great coach?

"He's a great person and I'm glad we had the opportunity to be together," said Howard, which some will undoubtedly interpret as goodbye.


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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:07 pm

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If Howard stays, the Lakers could open up about $31.2 million in cap space in 2014
cap space.

The NBA recently gave teams a projection of $58.5 million for next season's salary cap and $62.1 million for the summer of 2014.

The Lakers are waiting for the decision of center Dwight Howard, who will hit free agency in July. If he re-signs, he could make up to $22.05 million for the 2014-15 season.

If the Lakers kept Howard but shed every free agent, including Bryant, Nash and even their 2014 first-round draft selection, they'd have approximately $31.2 million in cap space. (Note that the league includes an empty roster charge on a team's cap for open spots up to 12 players, $507,336 each in 2014.)


That Nash deal is going to be a killer if we can't get rid of him or he doesn't retire.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:49 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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If Howard stays, the Lakers could open up about $31.2 million in cap space in 2014
cap space.

The NBA recently gave teams a projection of $58.5 million for next season's salary cap and $62.1 million for the summer of 2014.

The Lakers are waiting for the decision of center Dwight Howard, who will hit free agency in July. If he re-signs, he could make up to $22.05 million for the 2014-15 season.

If the Lakers kept Howard but shed every free agent, including Bryant, Nash and even their 2014 first-round draft selection, they'd have approximately $31.2 million in cap space. (Note that the league includes an empty roster charge on a team's cap for open spots up to 12 players, $507,336 each in 2014.)


That Nash deal is going to be a killer if we can't get rid of him or he doesn't retire.


Even though it hasn't been reported anywhere. I hope the Lakers have a wink-wink deal that Nash signed the three year deal knowing he'd retire after two and the Lakers would pay him for three. I know its likely around a 99.7% chance that it isn't the case, but that would be nice. haha
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Postby abeer3 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:03 pm

I think 30 million is enough to spend. nash's contract isn't that big of a deal. basically, the lakers just need to keep enough for one max slot plus change if howard stays. if he leaves, it doesn't matter, they'll have a ton of cash to spend and probably would have to worry more about hitting the new minimum.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:10 pm

abeer3 wrote:I think 30 million is enough to spend. nash's contract isn't that big of a deal. basically, the lakers just need to keep enough for one max slot plus change if howard stays. if he leaves, it doesn't matter, they'll have a ton of cash to spend and probably would have to worry more about hitting the new minimum.


Anything that takes up 9 million dollars in cap space of dead weight is a problem. That 30 million you are talking about, drops to around 20 million with Nash.

If Kobe wants to come back for a year or two. That number falls. And there goes the cap space.
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Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:20 pm

abeer3 wrote:I think 30 million is enough to spend. nash's contract isn't that big of a deal. basically, the lakers just need to keep enough for one max slot plus change if howard stays. if he leaves, it doesn't matter, they'll have a ton of cash to spend and probably would have to worry more about hitting the new minimum.

Except we won't have 30 if Nash stays, we'll have 20. Which should still be enough to add a max FA, but I'd much rather have another 10M available for Kobe to come back on a string of 1 year deals or to fill in the holes with if 24 retires.
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