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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:57 pm

All of those cap number assume Kobe is done after this year. I don't think so unless the Lakers end it.

If he comes back it will most likely be for between 12 and 15 million per... that changes those numbers just a little no?.....
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:53 pm

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therealdeal wrote:If you actually read the whole thing A**face (aka Simers) paints a pretty bleak picture. :man10:


That's the Simers schtick.

Which makes me wonder why these athletes do interviews with him at all.

Dwight has actually said and I believe it was in his exit interview that TJ Simers is one of his favorite guys in the LA media, which really surprised me. One of the reasons why I think he let TJ be the first guy to interview him since the end of the season.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:57 pm

2014 may be hard to bring in a Superstar next to D12 (if he stays) because of all the great players will still be restricted free agents with qualifying offers. With that said 2015 is when the real gems start coming out.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:07 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:2014 may be hard to bring in a Superstar next to D12 (if he stays) because of all the great players will still be restricted free agents with qualifying offers. With that said 2015 is when the real gems start coming out.


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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:59 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:2014 may be hard to bring in a Superstar next to D12 (if he stays) because of all the great players will still be restricted free agents with qualifying offers. With that said 2015 is when the real gems start coming out.

I didn't realize how many of the available players were restricted.. Of the unrestricted guys I'd see if I could get a bargain on Granger, we could still have space in 15 if we get him locked in for cheap or on a 2 year deal with the 2nd a team option. Saving our space for 15 does seem like the way to go. Brings me back to my idea of trading Pau, Blake, possibly MWP for a package of contracts that expire the following year then go after LMA, Love, Rondo etc. I think we can get good value for all those expirings by taking on that extra year, hopefully good enough to contend until we can hit FA.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:20 am

This video goes with the recent TJ Simers article that was released yesterday



"Kobe thinks your soft" & "I should have brought the other daughter" :man10: :man10:


*According to the person who filmed this, Howard right after this recording ended Howard made all 10 with his right hand. For what it's worth*
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:37 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:This video goes with the recent TJ Simers article that was released yesterday



"Kobe thinks your soft" :man10: :man10:


*According to the person who filmed this, Howard right after this recording ended Howard made all 10 with his right hand. For what it's worth*

Dwight's personality grew on me the 2nd half of the season, I want to like the guy but it's so hard when he's holding the team hostage. I don't believe all the daily convos with Harden crap etc. but it'd be nice if he could just give a subtle indication that he wants to return so that Mitch can use the full array of options available to him, not put everything on hold until we have Dwight's decision. If you're really all about winning, wouldn't you want to give your GM the ability to make that happen?
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:26 am

^^^ Not if you're no longer going to play for that GM. :man1: Dan Tony is still coach, right?

On another note TJ's daughter is CUTE! He has poked as much fun at her in his articles as anyone. She married the "grocery store bagger".
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:01 am

Kobe on talking to D12 about FA.....

“For me, you kind of let him do his due diligence and then move in and talk to him and figure out if this is a place he wants to be,” Bryant said in a wide-ranging interview with ESPN Los Angeles’ Dave McMenamin.

“We all want him here. But then that’s when the selling begins [after Howard is courted by other teams. You don’t start the selling process right before he goes and does all this stuff. You want to get the last word. You want to have the final word and the closing argument.

“I’ll give him a little opening statement, but then I have to make sure I have the final word.”
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:46 am

^I'm glad Kobe made those remarks. I'm happy he emphasized that he wants Howard back; we don't have Jerry to recruit for us anymore. This is going to come down to Jim, Mitch, & Kobe to convince Dwight to stay.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby kenzo on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:54 am

If Jim and Mitch realy want Howard back... let go of Pringles. Simple :man9:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: GroundHog Day - Page 1000 Redux

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:59 am

Doc Brown wrote:Kobe on talking to D12 about FA.....

“For me, you kind of let him do his due diligence and then move in and talk to him and figure out if this is a place he wants to be,” Bryant said in a wide-ranging interview with ESPN Los Angeles’ Dave McMenamin.

“We all want him here. But then that’s when the selling begins [after Howard is courted by other teams. You don’t start the selling process right before he goes and does all this stuff. You want to get the last word. You want to have the final word and the closing argument.

“I’ll give him a little opening statement, but then I have to make sure I have the final word.”




i hope Kobe's last word is 'GTFO...imma drop 50 on your new team every time i play you'
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby borri on Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:22 pm

I frankly wouldn't jump for joy if D12 stays or get pissed if he leaves.

It's like....eh...whatever.

Now if somehow, Antoni gets fired....then... :jam2: :jam2: :jam2: :jam2: :jam2: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby khmrP on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:19 am

I wasn't on this forum when Kobe went through FA but I wonder if there were this many who was mad and hated on Kobe especially reports were he was quite close to signing with the Clipps, however believable that may have been. But dude has right to explore his option and if he left so be it, can't be mad at him consideration all the problems last year and lack of improvement with this upcoming season. Only thing one hate on him is/was his whinning/crying bout his post touches.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:42 am

khmrP wrote:I wasn't on this forum when Kobe went through FA but I wonder if there were this many who was mad and hated on Kobe especially reports were he was quite close to signing with the Clipps, however believable that may have been. But dude has right to explore his option and if he left so be it, can't be mad at him consideration all the problems last year and lack of improvement with this upcoming season. Only thing one hate on him is/was his whinning/crying bout his post touches.


Who's mad?

Howard is showing who he is IMO. Why try and make this a "Kobe fan" vs "Howard fan" thing? How does that further the conversation?

You couldn't stand Bynum.... do you want to revive that debate as well?

I'm ambivalent on Howard... and was when we got him. He is massively overrated by some on this forum and I think there is a little resentment against anyone who brought that up when we got him now that everyone has seen what he truly is.... which is a very good player but not a "great one" in the sense of a player that can lead a team to a championship.

Tying up a Max slot with him would seem to ensure that we will have to draft our next leader and top scorer because there isn't enough money under the cap to have Howard a re-signed Kobe and Nash next summer and still fill out the roster much less find another top wing player.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby khmrP on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:44 am

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khmrP wrote:I wasn't on this forum when Kobe went through FA but I wonder if there were this many who was mad and hated on Kobe especially reports were he was quite close to signing with the Clipps, however believable that may have been. But dude has right to explore his option and if he left so be it, can't be mad at him consideration all the problems last year and lack of improvement with this upcoming season. Only thing one hate on him is/was his whinning/crying bout his post touches.


Who's mad?

Howard is showing who he is IMO. Why try and make this a "Kobe fan" vs "Howard fan" thing? How does that further the conversation?

You couldn't stand Bynum.... do you want to revive that debate as well?

I'm ambivalent on Howard... and was when we got him. He is massively overrated by some on this forum and I think there is a little resentment against anyone who brought that up when we got him now that everyone has seen what he truly is.... which is a very good player but not a "great one" in the sense of a player that can lead a team to a championship.

Tying up a Max slot with him would seem to ensure that we will have to draft our next leader and top scorer because there isn't enough money under the cap to have Howard a re-signed Kobe and Nash next summer and still fill out the roster much less find another top wing player.

'really', who's mad? have you seen some of the post here? Should be debated but not a fan of Kobe vs. Howard, I just want to know if there were any anemosity toward Kobe during his FA, funny how he resigns as soon as Shaq got the boot, not that I didn't want Shaq to get the boot but odd coincedence. As far as Bynum debate, why even bother...you got NO case at this point to argue in favor of him.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:57 am

khmrP wrote:
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khmrP wrote:I wasn't on this forum when Kobe went through FA but I wonder if there were this many who was mad and hated on Kobe especially reports were he was quite close to signing with the Clipps, however believable that may have been. But dude has right to explore his option and if he left so be it, can't be mad at him consideration all the problems last year and lack of improvement with this upcoming season. Only thing one hate on him is/was his whinning/crying bout his post touches.


Who's mad?

Howard is showing who he is IMO. Why try and make this a "Kobe fan" vs "Howard fan" thing? How does that further the conversation?

You couldn't stand Bynum.... do you want to revive that debate as well?

I'm ambivalent on Howard... and was when we got him. He is massively overrated by some on this forum and I think there is a little resentment against anyone who brought that up when we got him now that everyone has seen what he truly is.... which is a very good player but not a "great one" in the sense of a player that can lead a team to a championship.

Tying up a Max slot with him would seem to ensure that we will have to draft our next leader and top scorer because there isn't enough money under the cap to have Howard a re-signed Kobe and Nash next summer and still fill out the roster much less find another top wing player.

'really', who's mad? have you seen some of the post here? Should be debated but not a fan of Kobe vs. Howard, I just want to know if there were any anemosity toward Kobe during his FA, funny how he resigns as soon as Shaq got the boot, not that I didn't want Shaq to get the boot but odd coincedence. As far as Bynum debate, why even bother...you got NO case at this point to argue in favor of him.


:man10: I wasn't talking about my debating of Bynum..... rather your constant making just about everything about Bynum last summer and last year.

I always contended that if we could get Howard for just Bynum we should do it but I also said that I believed our center wasn't our problem position.

So... if you want to toss crap about Bynum at me you better actually look at what I've said to you about a dozen times or more.

In the end I had a suspicion that Bynum was gone this year regardless of whether or not we traded him. Howard may be gone as well..... so there is a very good chance we will end up in the same situation regardless of the trade. We'll see.

As for your comparison of Kobe/Shaq to Howard..... this is relevant how? Who does Howard have issue with on a level that Kobe and Shaq had issues? Seems to be a grasp at straws to me.

As for Howard and his decision. If I were Howard and were as concerned with how I'm viewed by fans and the sports journalists I'd look for as much cover as I could. He's never been one to be a leader in failure that much is for sure.... he wants the glory but no guts for the other side. On top of that the odds of Houston getting deeper in the Playoffs over LA over the next 4 or 5 year is probably better than us. So if it's a real shot at a "Chip" LA might not be the best place for that either...... unfortunately.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:02 pm

I think Kobe's free agency period was being used as a reference for Dwight's. Not really comparable given Kobe had only been a Laker and won 3 rings. But there have been a fair number of posts expressing disappointment or criticism to the reports of Dwight potentially choosing to go to Houston, and I think he was asking if there was a similar level of criticism for Kobe back then as there is now for Howard during his free agency.

I too am indifferent. I am not going to cry if we lose him because he hasn't proved to me that he 100% deserves every ounce of the max contract....on the other hand if we retain him I have to be ecstatic because he gives us a far greater chance of competing in the future than if we lost him.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Weezy on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:02 pm

khmrP wrote:I wasn't on this forum when Kobe went through FA but I wonder if there were this many who was mad and hated on Kobe especially reports were he was quite close to signing with the Clipps, however believable that may have been. But dude has right to explore his option and if he left so be it, can't be mad at him consideration all the problems last year and lack of improvement with this upcoming season. Only thing one hate on him is/was his whinning/crying bout his post touches.


I don't care what said player does about his free agency, it's his right to explore all options, but it's not comparable at all to the Kobe situation, at all. But yes, a lot of fans did hate on Kobe for it, a lot, mostly big Shaq fans. Some took years to get over it, and Kobe was already a long time Laker and 3 time champion, you're comparing him to a 1 time Laker with a rocky season with both teammates and fans and no time champion.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:05 pm

Weezy wrote:mostly big Shaq fans.


Is there another kind?......
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:10 pm

Chillbongo wrote:I too am indifferent. I am not going to cry if we lose him because he hasn't proved to me that he 100% deserves every ounce of the max contract....on the other hand if we retain him I have to be ecstatic because he gives us a far greater chance of competing in the future than if we lost him.


I would agree with this if it were under the previous CBA... the new one will only allow a team to have one Max slot IMO and still be able to put a decent team on the floor 1-9. Since we have no young players to develop.... have traded a lot of picks that would help fill out our roster in the 3 to 5 year time period and will only have the cap + MLE to spend next summer I'm not sure we can get to a championship caliber team with Howard here.

So it will be like the 90's I'm afraid.... good and entertaining basketball.... but not championship caliber play unfortunately.

Not developing young players and trading our picks is going to kill us.... the only way we can get players that are any good is to pay retail price for them. When you pick them you get to pay far less for the first few years and that is a huge difference maker we just don't have.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:22 pm

It will be like the mid-late 90's or worse because we have Howard (a la Shaq) but no young promising core around him.

The benefit of this situation is we will at MOST have to sit on no money for just one more year. We actually do have more money to spend the following year (2014-15). Summer 2014 we would only have Nash and theoretically Howard under contract, and could obtain other players at their retail price.

Not ideal but given Nash, Kobe's uncertainty and Pau's likely continued decline....at first glance we are more competitive for the next 2 years with Howard on our roster.

Of course, no picks and young cheap talent is absolutely killing us.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:23 pm

khmrP wrote:I wasn't on this forum when Kobe went through FA but I wonder if there were this many who was mad and hated on Kobe especially reports were he was quite close to signing with the Clipps, however believable that may have been. But dude has right to explore his option and if he left so be it, can't be mad at him consideration all the problems last year and lack of improvement with this upcoming season. Only thing one hate on him is/was his whinning/crying bout his post touches.



i wasn't mad at all when Kobe was a FA...after losing Shaq, i was praying that Kobe would stay


the only time i was mad at Kobe was when he asked to be traded
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Weezy on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:34 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:mostly big Shaq fans.


Is there another kind?......


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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby gcclaker on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:53 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:^I'm glad Kobe made those remarks. I'm happy he emphasized that he wants Howard back; we don't have Jerry to recruit for us anymore. This is going to come down to Jim, Mitch, & Kobe to convince Dwight to stay.

Bryant is giving Howard space and respect by not pressuring him right away. It is the right approach given how skittish and prone to indeciveness Howard is. Shows how much 24 has grown as a leader and professional. No parking lot rants.
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