Weezy wrote:I'm not saying Bledsoe isn't very good, or that he doesn't have potential, and I don't know what you're talking about undervaluing athleticism, we lack that badly. All I was saying was that potential all star is a bit much. Also, how can your point be not about Griffin/Bledsoe but getting equal value in a sign and trade when the only rumored deal is that one? Makes no sense to me, as that is the whole reason we're discussing a sign and trade in the first place, and IMO Griffin and Bledsoe is not equal value. That's just my opinion, I don't even like Dwight and I still think he's worth a little more than that. So yeah I don't let him walk if I can get equal value, fill my teams needs, but I do if the best I can do is get a big name in Griffin and potential in Bledsoe, no thanks.
Maybe "undervaluing athleticism" wasn't the best way to put it (which BTW, wasn't directed at you). Here's what I mean: in the same way that we claim a lot of NBA fans get blinded by Griffin's highlight dunks and overrate him, I think a lot of us judge Griffin in the opposite way. We see all his dunks and overgeneralize that all he can do is dunk. We fail to give him credit in other aspects of his game AND underestimate how huge of an impact Griffin can have solely because of his freak athleticism. Since Griffin can dunk, he's just "a big name" and not a perennial 20/10 all-star? It's the same reason a lot of Laker fans (myself included) took so long to coming around to the fact that Lebron is the best player in the game. "He has no skills. All he does is rely on his athleticism. He can't win a championship off of that alone, and once his athleticism declines he'll be a shell of his former self." That's the kind of stuff I was saying while Lebron was still in Cleveland ... and then he refined his skills just enough to better compliment his athletic ability and carried Miami to the Finals three years in a row, with no signs that his athleticism is declining anytime soon.
Because of the nature of our past two championship teams, we've been raised in a basketball culture of: "Fundamentals, defense, rebounding, toughness, etc. wins championships". Yes, it does. But not EVERY player on the team needs to excel in every one of those areas. Your comment about Nate Robinson is what reminded me of this. After Nate's excellent post-season performance, I mentioned to some friends that I wish we could find a way to get Nate this off-season. They looked at me like I was crazy and said that Nate can't play defense and is too "wild." Well yes, we do need a better defensive PG, but we also need some more offensive firepower off the bench so if we can get someone who provides that role as good as Nate, we'd have to pull the trigger and then look to improve defensively via the other holes in the rotation that we need to fill. So while Griffin primarily brings high-octane offense through his athleticism, there's a place for that on an elite team if we surround him with the right players, especially since his rebounding and defense isn't as bad as you guys make it sound.
There seems to be two arguments against this rumored S&T:
1.) Griffin/Bledsoe aren't good enough value for Dwight as players
2.) Taking on about $20 million/year of guaranteed long-term salary will limit what we can do in 2014 free agency/potential trades.
My point is mainly directed towards the second argument because it applies to any S&T (and come on, just because this is the only rumor we've heard doesn't mean it's the only possible S&T). We can't let Dwight walk for nothing, and then have to settle for someone like Granger or Deng with our cap space (good luck convincing Kobe to return to that). We need to get the BEST value (not necessarily equal value) for Dwight that we can if he wants to leave, in order to remain competitive next season and have young/competent players on the roster to recruit during 2014 and give us something
to work with if we miss out on the big free agent targets.