Orlando wants to keep him.
Yes I know they do. But he doesn't want to stay so that doesn't matter. That's the entire reason there's trade rumors here. You think the Nuggets wanted
to let go of Carmelo? Of course not.
You're missing the point here: Orlando is actually TRYING to keep him. They have and will continue to try until their time runs out - which won't be til 2013. Denver didn't trade Carmelo until they were in the same situation (his contract was expiring). We're not there yet Dwight.
They're not going to trade him until they absolutely must.
They must very soon. It's coming.
Yes. 2013. Not today like you're trying to make it sound.
Why not do it when there's an offer on the table worth something? Just like Utah did. You can't handle when examples are thrown at you, you simply avoid them. It's the reason most people stop trying to talk to you.
You're avoiding mine just the same as I've addressed this many times now: Orlando WANTS TO KEEP HIM. They're not trying to trade him right now. He's NOT ON THE MARKET right now. I'm not sure why you won't accept this. You're proposing deals in a situation that doesn't exist. Howard won't be a FA in 2012, he will be in 2013. Therefore he won't be traded until then. It's that simple.
And since Howard has a huge incentive to play out his current contract, there's no reason to trade him right now.
Not really if he's going to LA. His remaining contract may be worth more than he would get from a contract under the new CBA, but the money he would make up from endorsements and business opportunities in LA would far outweigh that. And if he wants out, he'll get out and Orlando would do well to find the best option they have which can be far better than simply expiring contracts.
It's not either or. Nothing says he can't have both which is what he'll be aiming for (all athletes do). Him playing out his contract doesn't preclude him from being traded to LA.
All of your proposals failed to account for a couple things:
Any of these proposals by anyone's standards fail to account for a lot since none of us are GMs or legal experts on NBA contracts, but I'm anxious to see what you've come up with.
Yours fail to account for fundamental factors of the situation (i.e. big market, top tier contender, 2013 plan). And I've already made my proposal, which is the whole reason you're posting right now.
Howard isn't opting out in 2012. That makes the expiring contracts in your proposals moot.
Do you have evidence of this?
Simple math and logic. $19 million and 8% raises for the next for years or about $15 million and 4.5% raises in the next 4 years. Which would you choose? And please don't come back with "he'll make up the difference in endosements", because as I already said, he can have the big contract and still come to LA for the big market.
And even so, it's less important that he's opting out as it is expiring contracts FOR THE MAGIC THAT THEY COULD USE NOW INSTEAD OF IN ANOTHER YEAR.
Because they want to keep him as long as possible, and if they can't, they can still get expiring contracts. They have no reason to rush. You want to believe they must only because you want to believe the deal will happen ASAP.
Howard isn't going to Okl or Denver. Neither of those teams are big market or has a legit chance to win a ring (yes, even with Durant).
Denver and Oklahoma City are both very much contenders. Everyone knows Dwight wants to go to a big market team but that's partly because big market teams win (except for New York). You're wrong about OKC not being a contender. With a Durant/Howard combo, they'd be a juggernaut.
With just Durant and Howard they have a good foundation. But no, unless they're deep, they're not going to win it all. Miami's big 3 was a bigger juggernaut and they lost to a team that was more loaded. You're not going to get it done with JUST two stars.
Denver with Dwight could definitely put a great run through the playoffs.
That doesn't match his criteria. Denver is out.
That's hardly "plenty" like you're saying.
You asked for examples and I gave you some. If you want more you can simply ask instead of talking down to me and that's your final unofficial warning before I give you a real one. Your attitude is unnecessary and grating.
I've replied succinctly and factually to all your points. If you think I'm giving you attitude, I don't know what to say. That's simply your inference and not the reality of the matter, but I also find it ironic since it was your first response to me that was pretty snide, yet I ignored it and simply addressed your points. You've also admitted that you're letting yourself get worked up on the matter, so I don't think you're being entirely fair right now and letting your emotions get the best of you.
With every proposal, you have to consider if Howard will say "yes" to the deal.
I understand that and in every deal I gave you I can easily see Howard agreeing.
If Okl can net another star, then maybe. But not to the Denver deal. A "good run" is not good enough for him.
Basically: is the team substantially better than the 2009 Magic that lost in the finals?
Yes the teams I mentioned would be significantly better.
As I said before, that's a very short list. If Dallas had expiring deals in 2013, I'd say maybe because their window might be closed. There's no way he goes to OKl or Denver.
You're simply wrong. Dallas can make a run at him putting him next to Dirk, you really think he'd say no to that if it was on the table? Please. Especially since they just won the championship. And again you're wrong, he could to either of those teams and make a massive impact.
Orlando wouldn't accept the deal, or ANY deal this year, because they don't have to move him. They'll keep him as long as they can.