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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:36 am

He's bad in games but not in practice. So frustrating. How can you be that bad...3-12. Its called a FREE throw for a reason, gotta take advantage of it. If he consistently made 50% wed be doing a lot better in games imo.

BUT at least hes not as bad as Biedrins...dude shot 11% last season for the warriors...but hes also not there all star future hof DPOY starting center.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:38 am

Please make your freethrows, Dwight.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby Dratini927 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:39 am

He should just practice banking his free throws. At least they would have a better chance instead of clanking off the back of the rim.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby last stand on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:46 am

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:59 am

try a new shooting form or something. easier said than done, but if he wants to improve hes gunna have to. that form is never gunna give him anything better than 50% if that.

banking would be funny and probably more effective than his current form......sadly thats the truth.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:10 am

Jamison, Morris and Metta making just one each out of 4 FT attempts obviously hurts....but Dwight has a ton of work to do. They are called free throws for a reason. These are essentially free points. Anyways, its disappointing, cause I thought that he could build from that Portland free throw effort (2nd game of season), but instead he has regressed.

Person needs to do something about this asap.

One thing I did like was the Dream shuffle he did on the baseline to get an easy scoring attempt. Granted it was nowhere as pretty as Hakeem's movement, but just as effective. I think those types of moves will come more and more naturally as he gets back to 100% in his conditioning. We're already seeing the effects on defense. But priority number 1 should be FTs....its an inevitable aspect of his game. He knows they will be coming in bunches in each game, so that has to be a priority. Heck, Shaq was terrible too, but he made them when they counted...he really did. Tonight, he steps to the line to take the lead late in the game and bricks both...that just can't happen in the playoffs.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby odom1year on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:17 am

I miss Bynum's FT shooting even though he is bowling.
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Postby Ras Algethi on Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:53 am

He almost always misses long too on his fts.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:03 am

His PPG & our win totals would look so good if Dwight hit his FTs, but I guess that won't happen, the thing is though, at least find a way to minimize the misses, at least a little.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:58 am

How about using your left hand Dwight since you're a lefty. :man3:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby l__o on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:12 am

Big disappointment.
How come every decent player is not themselves when they come to Lakers.
Howard cant even make a field goal when C Hayes on him.
Or the opponent just needs to hold him...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby trodgers on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:39 am

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:How about using your left hand Dwight since you're a lefty. :man3:

I'm not trolling you, but I write left-handed, had a left-handed glove when I was a kid, and I hold a fork left-handed. But I play every sport right-handed. I can shoot and dribble left-handed, but I'm simply better right-handed. Why? Thirty years of being taught by right-handers. Just like Dwight.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:50 am

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KareemTheGreat33 wrote:How about using your left hand Dwight since you're a lefty. :man3:

I'm not trolling you, but I write left-handed, had a left-handed glove when I was a kid, and I hold a fork left-handed. But I play every sport right-handed. I can shoot and dribble left-handed, but I'm simply better right-handed. Why? Thirty years of being taught by right-handers. Just like Dwight.


Yeah but you know, just maybe get a different result with his "dominant" hand, maybe gaining more control.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby trodgers on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:09 am

I don't see that it would happen, honestly. If I switched to left-handed, there would be an immediate, massive dropoff in shooting. And I don't know that even after a couple of years of working at it that would change. 20 years of training can overcome a natural dominance.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:27 am

This is who Howard is..... He's not going to become a decent free throw shooter. Is he a 25% shooter? No, but he's not going to shoot over 60% either. I've watched a lot of his games and this one is somewhat typical in a lot of respects. He'll have a 8-11 game in a couple to off set it but it will be followed by another 4-10 and so on....

I'm more disappointed in his rebounding on freaking free throws than anything else. That's one thing he SUPPOSED to be good at and having inside position on a free throw he gave up 3 boards in the last 8 minutes last night.... That's the part of his game that seems to be the biggest difference in LA. He's playing with another 10+ board guy in Gasol and I expected a drop off in rebounding but this isn't what I was expecting.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby charvin on Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:06 am

trodgers wrote:I don't see that it would happen, honestly. If I switched to left-handed, there would be an immediate, massive dropoff in shooting. And I don't know that even after a couple of years of working at it that would change. 20 years of training can overcome a natural dominance.


I wouldn't know about that. Same thing with me, except I mostly go left on sports. I was shooting FT like shots for fun one day in the gym, tried shooting it with my right hand and it felt natural, like it was second nature. I wouldn't remember the results, not having gone near a court in years, but strangely, it felt more natural shooting right-handed even though I had shot left-handed all my life.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:49 am

Rooscooter wrote:This is who Howard is..... He's not going to become a decent free throw shooter. Is he a 25% shooter? No, but he's not going to shoot over 60% either. I've watched a lot of his games and this one is somewhat typical in a lot of respects. He'll have a 8-11 game in a couple to off set it but it will be followed by another 4-10 and so on....

I'm more disappointed in his rebounding on freaking free throws than anything else. That's one thing he SUPPOSED to be good at and having inside position on a free throw he gave up 3 boards in the last 8 minutes last night.... That's the part of his game that seems to be the biggest difference in LA. He's playing with another 10+ board guy in Gasol and I expected a drop off in rebounding but this isn't what I was expecting.


The loss of part of his crazy athleticism is exposing his lack of fundamentals ... he can't outjump opponents as he used to ... it's always the same mistake with D12 on both ends of the floor ( getting stripped , not boxing out, commiting fouls in the post by going for the suicide steal )...
I'm not impressed by his in game adjustments to say the least
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby last stand on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:32 am

Rooscooter wrote:This is who Howard is..... He's not going to become a decent free throw shooter. Is he a 25% shooter? No, but he's not going to shoot over 60% either. I've watched a lot of his games and this one is somewhat typical in a lot of respects. He'll have a 8-11 game in a couple to off set it but it will be followed by another 4-10 and so on....

I'm more disappointed in his rebounding on freaking free throws than anything else. That's one thing he SUPPOSED to be good at and having inside position on a free throw he gave up 3 boards in the last 8 minutes last night.... That's the part of his game that seems to be the biggest difference in LA. He's playing with another 10+ board guy in Gasol and I expected a drop off in rebounding but this isn't what I was expecting.


Related to his health. Stamina, leg strength and lift are vital to his rebounding. Bynum, hibbert can get rebounds just by putting their arms up. Lopez is an anomaly

Howard needs that strength, lift and stamina. Will he average 15 boards a game here. Doubt it. But I do think at full strength he'll get back to around 11-12

He does need to start getting rebounding fundementals down though. Even now the rebounds he gets are when he has those flashes of previous athleticism
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:16 am

I don't care about the rebounding right now. D12 has gaudy numbers there for the most part and his effort is strong. It's unacceptable to shoot free throws that way, especially in a close game where we are struggling to score. Every miss hurt us considerably. The free throw became a mental issue last night - his body language was "I don't want to be here" at the line. He thought he was going to miss before he even took most of those shots. This guy needs to work on free throws above all else. He's going to go to the line a LOT in important games. If he doesn't get better we are going to have to treat him like Shaq at the end of the games and kind of ignore him offensively.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby revgen on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:47 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again. He needs to bank the FT's. It will give us a better chance of tipping them in.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:30 am

granny shot...then bank the second shot


he's gonna miss anyway...at least entertain me
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby revgen on Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:59 am

lakerswiz wrote:Bank free throws. So he can miss and we can tip them in. lol no.

He needs to make free throws.


He's been in the league 8 years and currently playing his 9th year. He has yet to become an efficient FT shooter. I doubt he ever will become one despite your ranting and raving. We knew this when we traded for him. What you see is what you get.

Banking the FT's will at least give us a better chance of producing results even if he's fouled.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby revgen on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:40 pm

Cute.

When you have a real answer for me, let me know.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:50 pm

Something I don't get with these pros.

They have shooting coaches that teach proper form. Holding the ball properly, shooting hand and guide hand, feet squared, fluid knee bend throughout the shot until the release, follow through.

It seems all these pros do is "follow through". Time after time I see these guys bend their knees, then stand back straight up then shoot it. THAT'S what's causing their shots to be flat and not arced with the proper trajectory. Shaq did it, Dwight does it...just focus on the bending of the knees and the motion through the shot. His hands and release are fine, it's all in the knees.

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion (And so it begins...)

Postby purp n gold on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:55 pm

I still don't think he's 100%

Unfortunately at 100% he may still shoot free throws like last night
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