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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby denimPortugal on Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:37 pm

Weezy wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:Great, now Dwight is pissed....

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That was about as short/upset I've seen Dwight Howard after a loss


I'd see that as a positive, we want Dwight to hate losing, to hate getting blown out, not want to miss the playoffs.

For sure! I don't want to watch him again laughing after a loss!
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:06 pm

Weezy wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:Great, now Dwight is pissed....

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That was about as short/upset I've seen Dwight Howard after a loss


I'd see that as a positive, we want Dwight to hate losing, to hate getting blown out, not want to miss the playoffs.

This.

This one loss against a better opponent isn't going to have any future implications regarding his staying or going.

And he's clearly talking about defense and rebounding. We were just dominated inside. Part of that is his fault, part of that is the fault of our team who, in all honesty, seem to know when they're outmatched and don't play with the same passion and energy as they need to.

We got beat by a better team. We're extremely short handed and they've been relatively healthy all season long. Not to mention they went something like 8-10 deep and we went 7 deep. They come in waves and we come in spurts.

Not going to do it in the playoffs.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:38 pm

^^ Good post realdeal. I agree all the way.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:59 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:Great, now Dwight is pissed....

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus 11m
That was about as short/upset I've seen Dwight Howard after a loss


I'd see that as a positive, we want Dwight to hate losing, to hate getting blown out, not want to miss the playoffs.

This.

This one loss against a better opponent isn't going to have any future implications regarding his staying or going.

And he's clearly talking about defense and rebounding. We were just dominated inside. Part of that is his fault, part of that is the fault of our team who, in all honesty, seem to know when they're outmatched and don't play with the same passion and energy as they need to.

We got beat by a better team. We're extremely short handed and they've been relatively healthy all season long. Not to mention they went something like 8-10 deep and we went 7 deep. They come in waves and we come in spurts.

Not going to do it in the playoffs.


Well written post. I agree. IMO, for the most part, and I think most of us can agree Dwight has been playing better since the All-Star break. I believe there's two reasons for that happening; one is he got to the place mentally where he decided he was okay with not being the number 1 option offensively and made a choice to focus solely on defense & rebounding.

A second reason; I believe he's made his mind up that he's going to be here long-term. He says things like I'm concentrating on this season, and I'm taking it from game to game, and I do believe him. Nevertheless, he's made other statements regarding his contract with Adidas and his plans here regarding the future. It doesn't sound like a guy that is going to bolt during the summer, IMO. So, with those two things in mind, IMO, it gave him a peace of mind and contributed to him playing the kind of basketball that we need him to in order to be successful as a team.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:58 am

His PNR D was pathetic in the 1st half ... I agree he can't get a rebound when he's helping but there are some traffic rebounds he should have cleaned up in the 2nd half ...

Our poor D mainly comes from 2 factors :

- No communication and rotation between our bigs
- our guards are just playing pathetic D ... get taken off the dribble way too easily by any opponent player... which put way too much pressure on the bigs ... guards did a poor job at helping on the boards too ...
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby trodgers on Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:42 am

Roo: I posted the numbers to put some things in perspective. I think he looks WAY better than he did for the first half of the season. If this is more like Dwight's going to be like, then I'm happy.

As for that quote: if he's talking about Kobe on O, I'd punch him in the face. If he's talking about Defense, I'm with him. And I'm glad he's mad.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:52 am

D12 was definetely talking about Kobe on O ... his quote on the previous page is his usual formulation when he thinks Kobe ballhogged ...

He goes into "specifics" when he calls the defense out " we have to be in the right spots, rotate and cover for each other " and so on
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby trodgers on Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:09 am

I thought Kobe played well on offense.

Points per Possession Numbers:
Pau played 39.2 minutes, consumed 22 possessions. He produced 30 points. 1.36 PPP.
Kobe played 47.3 minutes, consumed 39 possessions. He produced 49 points. 1.26 PPP.
Dwight played 38.5 minutes, consumed 24 possessions. He produced 29 points. 1.21 PPP.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:42 am

trodgers wrote:Roo: I posted the numbers to put some things in perspective. I think he looks WAY better than he did for the first half of the season. If this is more like Dwight's going to be like, then I'm happy.

As for that quote: if he's talking about Kobe on O, I'd punch him in the face. If he's talking about Defense, I'm with him. And I'm glad he's mad.


Dwight's is a good to great player but he's not going to replace Kobe as a leader on a team that wins a chip.... I agree he's looking better and he can be dominant but he also can be nullified and can nullify himself with the parts of his game that are not very good. He'll get a max contract but unless we can wand another assassin in here it's going to be a very different team in two years.....

About the quote.... I didn't see the game so I can't speculate. The Clippers have all of the tools to beat the hell out of our team..... frankly I expected this loss.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:41 pm

trodgers wrote:I thought Kobe played well on offense.

Points per Possession Numbers:
Pau played 39.2 minutes, consumed 22 possessions. He produced 30 points. 1.36 PPP.
Kobe played 47.3 minutes, consumed 39 possessions. He produced 49 points. 1.26 PPP.
Dwight played 38.5 minutes, consumed 24 possessions. He produced 29 points. 1.21 PPP.


Just curious, does the possession total include possessions that led to a turnover?
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby borri on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:14 pm

Uncle Drew wrote:That right hand shot have some serious work to do this summer.


It looks like a stinking shot put they when D12 uses his right hand.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby trodgers on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:09 am

JGC wrote:
trodgers wrote:I thought Kobe played well on offense.

Points per Possession Numbers:
Pau played 39.2 minutes, consumed 22 possessions. He produced 30 points. 1.36 PPP.
Kobe played 47.3 minutes, consumed 39 possessions. He produced 49 points. 1.26 PPP.
Dwight played 38.5 minutes, consumed 24 possessions. He produced 29 points. 1.21 PPP.


Just curious, does the possession total include possessions that led to a turnover?

"Led to"? It's times that that player turned it over, shot, handed out an assist, or went to the line.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby JGC on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:47 am

trodgers wrote:
JGC wrote:
trodgers wrote:I thought Kobe played well on offense.

Points per Possession Numbers:
Pau played 39.2 minutes, consumed 22 possessions. He produced 30 points. 1.36 PPP.
Kobe played 47.3 minutes, consumed 39 possessions. He produced 49 points. 1.26 PPP.
Dwight played 38.5 minutes, consumed 24 possessions. He produced 29 points. 1.21 PPP.


Just curious, does the possession total include possessions that led to a turnover?

"Led to"? It's times that that player turned it over, shot, handed out an assist, or went to the line.


Ahhh gotcha, thanks. Sorry, I should have said "ended in" not "led to".

What about possessions that ended in a teammate making free throws? For instance, Kobe passes to Dwight who is hacked and makes a free throw. Does Kobe get the credit there for producing that point in the same way he would have had Dwight made the shot attempt on which he was fouled?

I'm guessing not since there is no attribution in any current stat, but just curious.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:54 am

borri wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:That right hand shot have some serious work to do this summer.


It looks like a stinking shot put they when D12 uses his right hand.


^^ It really does. He actually looks really good with his left hand, but with his right he has ZERO touch. I didn't realize he was this bad with his right. It's weird that he goes away from his left so much. He should make his left his Go To move because he makes a good percentage with it.

Definitely needs work on the right in the offseason.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:21 am

Dwight is just like Inigo Montoya and the Dread Pirate Roberts, they use their weaker hand first in a duel... Dwight will be shooting lefty with his free throws in this last 4 games and we will be unbeatable. :man11:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby trodgers on Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:30 am

Yeah, JGC; that stat is one that's somewhat easily mined from the play by play. I agree that getting a teammate a shot at a bucket that leads to a foul is just as good as an assist in most cases, but short of watching every game and charting as it goes, I don't have that data.

By "led to" I wondered if you were thinking of a possession where, say, Kobe passes to someone who turns it over and asking whether that was a possession for Kobe. Because I'm not looking just at touches, but who makes the determining move in the possession, that's not counted for Kobe. It's counted for the player who turns it over.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:03 pm

stay out of foul trouble. go all out for 48 mins on both ends. efficiency. rebound.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby The Rock on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm

Remember all those games that Dwight mailed in until February, I wonder if hes regretting it now. So many games he just got into foul trouble and played with no sense of urgency SMH
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:52 pm

The Rock wrote:Remember all those games that Dwight mailed in until February, I wonder if hes regretting it now. So many games he just got into foul trouble and played with no sense of urgency SMH


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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby abeer3 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:13 pm

The Rock wrote:Remember all those games that Dwight mailed in until February, I wonder if hes regretting it now. So many games he just got into foul trouble and played with no sense of urgency SMH


i'm guessing he's oblivious to this. this will be someone else's fault. self awareness is not a dh strength. still, gotta roll with him and hope he stays here.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:10 pm

^^^^^ No matter....he needs the torch. Kobe needs to pass him the effing torch. He's younger than Kobe :bang:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby odom1year on Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:45 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:^^^^^ No matter....he needs the torch. Kobe needs to pass him the effing torch. He's younger than Kobe :bang:


He is a better 1st option than Kobe at this point. It's time to build a team around D12, just like 96 Shaq.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:11 pm

odom1year wrote:He is a better 1st option than Kobe at this point. It's time to build a team around D12, just like 96 Shaq.


Based on what? His career averages? His averages this season? Kobe is averaging what, 27 PPG in his 17th season, Dwight can't even average 20 and he's a better 1st option? :man3: Dwight is not Shaq, he's not even close offensively.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:10 pm

Darvin Ham is a terrible coach. Can someone teach him how to post effectively without using his damn hands?

I'm repeating myself so many times, and so is Stu. He would average 2 less fouls a game if he learned how to post properly.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: 25/15/5/5 - 1st since 'Shaq in 97 (938)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:54 am

^ The problem is that he DOES use his legs and his butt, but the opposition is LITERALLY hanging on him. So he puts his arms up to "get big" which is something that's taught for post ups and then he's called for a foul when the guy gets moved back.

It's a catch-22. What is he supposed to do? Let the guy hang on him?

The one thing the TEAM can do (and Howard) is to get the catch at a different angle. Dwight likes to have the guy directly behind him which is why that defender hangs on his back. If Dwight posted with more of an angle, the guy is kept on one side of his body still and it's up to the guard to pass the ball to his available hand.
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