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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby XXIV on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:52 pm

therealdeal wrote:Damn. Here I was thinking that Dwight was almost 100% and he's talking about still not being there.

Crazy. I wonder when/if he'll ever feel like he's "there" again.


He'll definitely get there but it's only a matter of time. I don't think we'll see the real Dwight until close to playoffs time, and even then it's not certain. He had a very serious injury and I'm glad he's even able to play now.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby khmrP on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:54 pm

purp n gold wrote:Call me optimistic, but to me, "Dwight is leaving if we don't start winning soon" is just a buzz-y headline that ESPN likes to push.

Seriously, is Dwight turning down...
-$25mil,
-Sunny Los Angeles
-and the Lakers organization
...just because the best franchise in basketball didn't figure it out for a year?

I think it's plausible if we get bounced out of the 1st round. But until we actually cross that bridge, I'm not thinking about it. I don't think the Lakers, Mitch or Dwight are thinking about it either.


you guys really overrate that $25mill stuff, its just an extra year he could get here vs. leaving. Doesn't mean its LOST forever, he'll get that year back if he signs with a new team and reups with them eventually.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby purp n gold on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:59 pm

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purp n gold wrote:Call me optimistic, but to me, "Dwight is leaving if we don't start winning soon" is just a buzz-y headline that ESPN likes to push.

Seriously, is Dwight turning down...
-$25mil,
-Sunny Los Angeles
-and the Lakers organization
...just because the best franchise in basketball didn't figure it out for a year?

I think it's plausible if we get bounced out of the 1st round. But until we actually cross that bridge, I'm not thinking about it. I don't think the Lakers, Mitch or Dwight are thinking about it either.


you guys really overrate that $25mill stuff, its just an extra year he could get here vs. leaving. Doesn't mean its LOST forever, he'll get that year back if he signs with a new team and reups with them eventually.


Well considering Dwight's fresh from a major injury & surgery... I would guess that the guaranteed $25mil is much more valuable than 25 he can get 'eventually' - which is obviously not guaranteed. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby last stand on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:06 pm

khmrP wrote:
purp n gold wrote:Call me optimistic, but to me, "Dwight is leaving if we don't start winning soon" is just a buzz-y headline that ESPN likes to push.

Seriously, is Dwight turning down...
-$25mil,
-Sunny Los Angeles
-and the Lakers organization
...just because the best franchise in basketball didn't figure it out for a year?

I think it's plausible if we get bounced out of the 1st round. But until we actually cross that bridge, I'm not thinking about it. I don't think the Lakers, Mitch or Dwight are thinking about it either.


you guys really overrate that $25mill stuff, its just an extra year he could get here vs. leaving. Doesn't mean its LOST forever, he'll get that year back if he signs with a new team and reups with them eventually.



Some of the stuff you read on forums,

If he signs elsewhere its a 5 year deal, he'll be 33. He's not getting 25 million eventually.

And in case your wondering 25 million isn't chump change, that's not pocket money, that's big boy

Agent gets 10% of his clients contract. That's 2.5 million he may never recover.

So no, noone is overrating an extra 25 million dollars
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby khmrP on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:12 pm

last stand wrote:
khmrP wrote:
purp n gold wrote:Call me optimistic, but to me, "Dwight is leaving if we don't start winning soon" is just a buzz-y headline that ESPN likes to push.

Seriously, is Dwight turning down...
-$25mil,
-Sunny Los Angeles
-and the Lakers organization
...just because the best franchise in basketball didn't figure it out for a year?

I think it's plausible if we get bounced out of the 1st round. But until we actually cross that bridge, I'm not thinking about it. I don't think the Lakers, Mitch or Dwight are thinking about it either.


you guys really overrate that $25mill stuff, its just an extra year he could get here vs. leaving. Doesn't mean its LOST forever, he'll get that year back if he signs with a new team and reups with them eventually.



Some of the stuff you read on forums,

If he signs elsewhere its a 5 year deal, he'll be 33. He's not getting 25 million eventually.

And in case your wondering 25 million isn't chump change, that's not pocket money, that's big boy

Agent gets 10% of his clients contract. That's 2.5 million he may never recover.

So no, noone is overrating an extra 25 million dollars


ok, if he signs elsewhere its a 4yr deal (try reading the ESPN article), he'll be 31 by then, he can reup a yr before the last year of his deal...I'm pretty sure he can still get max by age 30. Its no different then being here for 5yrs and having to reup by the 4th where he'll be 31 as well.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:15 pm

Do we really have to flood this thread with pointless talk about what D12 will do or not do? It's December.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby purp n gold on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:26 pm

^I get you, but my contention is more about understanding the difference between guaranteed income & potential earnings... for an athlete no less
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby last stand on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:27 pm

khmrP wrote:
ok, if he signs elsewhere its a 4yr deal (try reading the ESPN article), he'll be 31 by then, he can reup a yr before the last year of his deal...I'm pretty sure he can still get max by age 30. Its no different then being here for 5yrs and having to reup by the 4th where he'll be 31 as well.


and if his back issues continue, or another issue arises

he leaves 25 million guaranteed on the table to go to a worse city, similar roster to worse roster situation

sounds plausible
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Postby Doc Brown on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:33 pm

purp n gold wrote:^I get you, but my contention is more about understanding the difference between guaranteed income & potential earnings... for an athlete no less


That's understandable. There is a time and place to discuss what D12 is going to do, IMO, talking about it in December is way too premature.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby khmrP on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:36 pm

last stand wrote:
khmrP wrote:
ok, if he signs elsewhere its a 4yr deal (try reading the ESPN article), he'll be 31 by then, he can reup a yr before the last year of his deal...I'm pretty sure he can still get max by age 30. Its no different then being here for 5yrs and having to reup by the 4th where he'll be 31 as well.


and if his back issues continue, or another issue arises

he leaves 25 million guaranteed on the table to go to a worse city, similar roster to worse roster situation

sounds plausible


you act like injuries have stopped teams from giving out further max ext. Look at Arenas, he still got a max ext. coming off of major knee surgery, wouldn't even surprise me if Bynum gets a max deal after this season either even if he misses the entire season. How exactly would it be worse if he was in Atl/Dall if they got Cp3 as I suggested? Cp3/dirk/howard or cp3/smith/howard with Horford as trade bait? Doesn't look worse to me. This isn't to say he's leaving, I just mention the $25mill as not a big selling point cause he can get it back eventually with his next contract, Dall also has no state taxes so what the raise difference would somewhat off-set too.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby abeer3 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:47 pm

it's not just money (but ask dwill if that matters). it's location and likelihood of winning. dallas and atlanta and houston and whomever are only better situations if they also nab paul in the process, which is incredibly unlikely.

i'll be shocked if he leaves; i don't care if the lakers miss the playoffs this year, i'd still be shocked.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby purp n gold on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:53 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
purp n gold wrote:^I get you, but my contention is more about understanding the difference between guaranteed income & potential earnings... for an athlete no less


That's understandable. There is a time and place to discuss what D12 is going to do, IMO, talking about it in December is way too premature.


Well I certainly agree, I mentioned earlier we'll cross that bridge when we get there...

But my post backfired on me. I had no intention for starting the "What will Dwight do" convo, mostly because I don't think it's a conversation to begin with! My bad though.

Anyhow I'm glad Dwight came out and talked about his injury. Interesting to see that January was actually a real time table, and not just speculation. Unfortunately Stephen A. might have had "reliable sources"...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby Alcindor on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:13 pm

last stand wrote:
khmrP wrote:
purp n gold wrote:Call me optimistic, but to me, "Dwight is leaving if we don't start winning soon" is just a buzz-y headline that ESPN likes to push.

Seriously, is Dwight turning down...
-$25mil,
-Sunny Los Angeles
-and the Lakers organization
...just because the best franchise in basketball didn't figure it out for a year?

I think it's plausible if we get bounced out of the 1st round. But until we actually cross that bridge, I'm not thinking about it. I don't think the Lakers, Mitch or Dwight are thinking about it either.


you guys really overrate that $25mill stuff, its just an extra year he could get here vs. leaving. Doesn't mean its LOST forever, he'll get that year back if he signs with a new team and reups with them eventually.



Some of the stuff you read on forums,

If he signs elsewhere its a 5 year deal, he'll be 33. He's not getting 25 million eventually.

And in case your wondering 25 million isn't chump change, that's not pocket money, that's big boy

Agent gets 10% of his clients contract. That's 2.5 million he may never recover.

So no, noone is overrating an extra 25 million dollars


While I think Dwight will sign resign in LA, just a point on agent's commissions, agent's get 3%-4% of the contracts, 10% is way off. They do make more on endorsements though.
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Postby last stand on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:16 pm

ok, lol doesn't change that the more the player makes the more the agent makes
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby khmrP on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:51 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Pinning a specific number to what a player gives his agent is silly. None of us know what their deals are. I'm sure the variety is incredibly vast.


$25 Million being overrated....now that's something silly.


again, its overrated because people make sound like he is LOSING that money if he doesn't stay, he is not losing it he just doesn't get an extra year on the contract which he CAN still get with the next extension....like I said, just snide comments by leeching off of stuff you dont actually give any insight on.
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Postby Center Court on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:59 pm

khmrP wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Pinning a specific number to what a player gives his agent is silly. None of us know what their deals are. I'm sure the variety is incredibly vast.


$25 Million being overrated....now that's something silly.


again, its overrated because people make sound like he is LOSING that money if he doesn't stay, he is not losing it he just doesn't get an extra year on the contract which he CAN still get with the next extension....like I said, just snide comments by leeching off of stuff you dont actually give any insight on.



he's not losing it, but he's not guaranteeing it.

In LA he can rest assured that he'll be be getting that $25MM. Going somewhere else he'd have to sign a new deal and hope that'd give him that.
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Postby Uncle_Meat on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:11 pm

Has anyone asked why would the Buss' hire MDA when they signed D12 at the start of the season? MDA doesn't like the post but that's what's on the roster. Did they think he would adapt? Well that's stupid. He has never been known for a post up offense. Just a bunch of fast slender bodies.
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Postby ojdidit123 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:51 pm

Dwight may not leave but I 100% undertstand why he would. There are no positive things to look at for him in terms of his immediate future until 2014 when the cap space clears up we have room to do nothing. We are also strapped with a core that is old and more than likely won't be bringing in a title in the next 2 years so why would he want to be around them? He should just waste 2 years in mediocrity waiting to build a totally new team in 2014 which means a whole rebuilding process unless we bring in LeBron and that ain't happening. And on top of all that he is supposed to be stuck with a hack like Dantoni? Pleaseeee. We had a chance to establish ourselves as the undeniable best organization in basketball this year and instead we are the laughing stock of the NBA and management is 100% in the blame. He may jump ship with CP3 to ATL and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised
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Postby abeer3 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:49 pm

so...back to dwight discussion: what was up with him tonight? i thought it was one of his poorest games. i also think he looked a bit out of it in the second half because they stopped trying to find him on offense. chandler thoroughly outplayed him, and it seemed like he wore him down. maybe that's the conditioning issue that dwight and kobe have been talking about? anyway, just looked like a bit of a regression to me.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:50 pm

hes getting his points but his impact on games has been negligible lately
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Postby Ariza3 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:51 pm

he needed more touches the way he was shooting in the first half as well as from the FT line.

20/7 (8/11 FG 4/6FT) was solid for one half pretty much. but he needed more touches. imagine if on all those kobe drives he passed to dwight. and if he got fouled he was making the FT.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:00 pm

abeer3 wrote:so...back to dwight discussion: what was up with him tonight? i thought it was one of his poorest games. i also think he looked a bit out of it in the second half because they stopped trying to find him on offense. chandler thoroughly outplayed him, and it seemed like he wore him down. maybe that's the conditioning issue that dwight and kobe have been talking about? anyway, just looked like a bit of a regression to me.


24 games in.... can we still use "conditioning"? To me it's one of two things.... he's not comfortable on either end or the back is limiting him in ways that won't go away. To keep bringing up conditioning after 2 months seems to ignore reality a little to me. A 26 year old should be in game shape after 2 months.
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Postby odom1year on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:13 pm

We simply ignored D12 in last quarter.
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Postby last stand on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:33 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
abeer3 wrote:so...back to dwight discussion: what was up with him tonight? i thought it was one of his poorest games. i also think he looked a bit out of it in the second half because they stopped trying to find him on offense. chandler thoroughly outplayed him, and it seemed like he wore him down. maybe that's the conditioning issue that dwight and kobe have been talking about? anyway, just looked like a bit of a regression to me.


24 games in.... can we still use "conditioning"? To me it's one of two things.... he's not comfortable on either end or the back is limiting him in ways that won't go away. To keep bringing up conditioning after 2 months seems to ignore reality a little to me. A 26 year old should be in game shape after 2 months.


the missed dunk he had should have been enough to tell you he's not back yet. how he's not back yet is up for debate. he doesn't look gassed like he did a month ago, so it's probably a leg issue. but who knows. he says he wasn't supposed to be back until january. if thats true then obviously he's not there yet
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: Bresnahan article - pg765

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:36 pm

looks like he is regressing a bit...
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