Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

revgen wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:Kobe is the only one who can facilitate this team right now, he has to know that and try to get others involved, EVERYONE, even if they aren't hitting shots.

So Kobe is supposed to pass the ball to guys who aren't making shots, even if he's making his shots?

thisbjgz wrote:

revgen wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:Kobe is the only one who can facilitate this team right now, he has to know that and try to get others involved, EVERYONE, even if they aren't hitting shots.

So Kobe is supposed to pass the ball to guys who aren't making shots, even if he's making his shots?

Lol, ok..so we got sarcasm. Let's have Kobe take all the shots then? Like I'm starting to think you're serious content with Kobe taking every shot. Do you play basketball? Do you want to play with a guy who doesn't pass you the ball or do you like the fact when you're out there playing..you don't even get to touch the ball? Why would I wanna protect the rim with a guy who doesn't even think I exist out there?

Laughable.

revgen wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:Kobe is the only one who can facilitate this team right now, he has to know that and try to get others involved, EVERYONE, even if they aren't hitting shots.

So Kobe is supposed to pass the ball to guys who aren't making shots, even if he's making his shots?

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

You are aware that Dwight made 16 out of his 19 FTA's that game don't you?

He basically shot 75FT% from the line.

Can we count on him to do that every night?

Also, how many of his non FT baskets were assisted? Were they straight ISO's or P&R's setup by Turk? How many came off his 6 offensive rebounds?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say he probably didn't score those 40 points the way that Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob would.

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

Because Kobe right now is clearly the better player.

GoldenKnight wrote:

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

You are aware that Dwight made 16 out of his 19 FTA's that game don't you?

He basically shot 75FT% from the line.

Can we count on him to do that every night?

Also, how many of his non FT baskets were assisted? Were they straight ISO's or P&R's setup by Turk? How many came off his 6 offensive rebounds?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say he probably didn't score those 40 points the way that Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob would.

One game doesn't take you to the finals buddy, I'm talking overall play, went through the Cavs & won at least 1 Finals game, something Shaq didn't do in Orlando, or even LeBron vs the Spurs...

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

You are aware that Dwight made 16 out of his 19 FTA's that game don't you?

He basically shot 75FT% from the line.

Can we count on him to do that every night?

Also, how many of his non FT baskets were assisted? Were they straight ISO's or P&R's setup by Turk? How many came off his 6 offensive rebounds?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say he probably didn't score those 40 points the way that Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob would.

One game doesn't take you to the finals buddy, I'm talking overall play, went through the Cavs & won at least 1 Finals game, something Shaq didn't do in Orlando, or even LeBron vs the Spurs...

You brought up that 1 game. Not me.

His overall play on the defensive end definitely helped to beat Lebron and the Cavs and win a Finals game. That doesn't make him a 1st option player.

GoldenKnight wrote:

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:Dwight took his team to the NBA Finals OVER LeBron James & the Cavs in 09 closing them out on a 40pt 14reb game & was 3 wins away from winning an NBA title, why is Dwight being or not being a 1st option even a question?

You are aware that Dwight made 16 out of his 19 FTA's that game don't you?

He basically shot 75FT% from the line.

Can we count on him to do that every night?

Also, how many of his non FT baskets were assisted? Were they straight ISO's or P&R's setup by Turk? How many came off his 6 offensive rebounds?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say he probably didn't score those 40 points the way that Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob would.

One game doesn't take you to the finals buddy, I'm talking overall play, went through the Cavs & won at least 1 Finals game, something Shaq didn't do in Orlando, or even LeBron vs the Spurs...

You brought up that 1 game. Not me.

His overall play on the defensive end definitely helped to beat Lebron and the Cavs and win a Finals game. That doesn't make him a 1st option player.

and get through the 1st & 2nd round as well, beating the Cavs was "impossible" for the Magic as fans put it before the series bega yet they did it, if he wasn't the 1st option, who was???

revgen wrote:
Turkoglu. He was the 3rd leading scorer and the leading assist man on that squad. Basically a point-forward. Sometimes he'd go to Dwight or he'd go to Lewis depending upon what the situation was. Sometimes he'd get his own. Was Lewis the 1st option when he scored 34 points in game 1 against us? Or 29 points against Philly or 28 points against Boston? Lewis averaged 19ppg during the 2009 postseason. Dwight averaged 20ppg. Hedo averaged 16ppg. The difference between the 3 of them was minimal at best. Dwight was no Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob.

The Magic's constant was their defense. And that's where Howard consistently provided impact.

GoldenKnight wrote:

revgen wrote:
Turkoglu. He was the 3rd leading scorer and the leading assist man on that squad. Basically a point-forward. Sometimes he'd go to Dwight or he'd go to Lewis depending upon what the situation was. Sometimes he'd get his own. Was Lewis the 1st option when he scored 34 points in game 1 against us? Or 29 points against Philly or 28 points against Boston? Lewis averaged 19ppg during the 2009 postseason. Dwight averaged 20ppg. Hedo averaged 16ppg. The difference between the 3 of them was minimal at best. Dwight was no Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob.

The Magic's constant was their defense. And that's where Howard consistently provided impact.

Turkoglu took this team to the finals ey? Well, that's a first...Turk was important to that team in terms of distributing and scoring, but in no way shape or form did he rebound, defend, and score more than Howard, clearly was the most important man in that squad that lead them to the finals, Dwight was no Robin I'll tell you that much.

revgen wrote:

GoldenKnight wrote:

revgen wrote:
Turkoglu. He was the 3rd leading scorer and the leading assist man on that squad. Basically a point-forward. Sometimes he'd go to Dwight or he'd go to Lewis depending upon what the situation was. Sometimes he'd get his own. Was Lewis the 1st option when he scored 34 points in game 1 against us? Or 29 points against Philly or 28 points against Boston? Lewis averaged 19ppg during the 2009 postseason. Dwight averaged 20ppg. Hedo averaged 16ppg. The difference between the 3 of them was minimal at best. Dwight was no Shaq, Hakeem, or D-Rob.

The Magic's constant was their defense. And that's where Howard consistently provided impact.

Turkoglu took this team to the finals ey? Well, that's a first...Turk was important to that team in terms of distributing and scoring, but in no way shape or form did he rebound, defend, and score more than Howard, clearly was the most important man in that squad that lead them to the finals, Dwight was no Robin I'll tell you that much.

No.

As I've said above, the Magic's constant was their defense. They were a defensive-minded team. Which made Dwight their leader overall.

Turkoglu was the 1st option on offense. The offense ran through him. He'd decide where the team was going to go to get it's points. Whether it was through him, Lewis, Dwight or somebody else.

That changed in later years. And it wasn't too successful. Especially in 2011 against the Hawks.

“@forumbluegold: The one play I'd like to see is the high P&R w/ Dwight, the swing pass to the wing, then a quick entry to Dwight after the dive.”

therealdeal wrote:^ Bread and butter of Orlando? Yeah. That'd be nice. But Orlando had 4 shooters on the floor with him at all times to space things properly. Two in the corners, two up top. The doubles HAVE to come from very specific locations.

Unless we had a team of (maybe?) Meeks, Kobe, Jamison... Artest?... on the floor, that play isn't going to work very well. They'll just collapse and we'll have 4 guys outside and one inside being guarded 5-1.

The Los Angeles Lakers have struggled to begin the 12-13 NBA season, but Dwight Howard seems to already have decided which team he will sign with as a free agent this summer.

"I know," said Howard when asked if he knows which team he will play with next season.

Howard was also asked whether he and Kobe Bryant can coexist.

"Why can't we coexist?" Howard asked. "Because we're opposites? I thought opposites attract.

"You know why we can play well together? Kobe knows how hard I work and that I'm all about championships. We're also entertainers, and for the two hours and 20 minutes that people come to a game they want to be entertained."
Via T.J. Simers/Los Angeles Times