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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:56 am

One thing i don't get with Dwight is the fact that he does not know how to seal his man, and instead, opts to throw his elbows around and get offensive fouls.

I'd say 2 out of his 5 fouls a game are from offensive fouls. 2 are from bad calls. 1 is from a stupid foul. other than that, he's good at just going straight up in the paint to defend. :mhihi:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby revgen on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:01 pm

^D12's biggest problem as a post player is that he has no butt. Guys like Bynum and Shaq postup by simply sticking out their big booty and bulldozing their defender. D12 should be using his shoulders like Kobe does in the post since that's where he has his strength advantage. But instead of doing that, he he sticks out his hands and picks up cheap fouls.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:06 pm

He used to seal well in Orlando by just turning his body and squating down.

But that takes tremendous leg and core strength and he doesn't have that right now. Give him a season to lift again (with or without shoulder surgery) and he can come back and start doing that again.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:22 pm

I just think Dwight needs to keep on his feet rather than settling for one position. You'll notice all Dwight does is just run to the middle of the floor and try to get the ball. Which would work for players like Shaq and Bynum, but he's just not that type of player. He's quicker and more agile, and would benefit from constantly moving around the paint, rather than settling for one position where position defenders can frustrate him.

The more he moves, the more fouls he can draw rather than having fouls called on him. He needs to keep his hand 1)for the ball 2) to seal. Right now all I see is his body is straight up with his hands in the air, throwing around his elbows and shoulders because players can just reach over and under him. That's not posting up.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby karacha on Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:38 pm

I agree with both revgen and therealdeal. I think Dwight knows how to use his body in the post, but just doesn't seem comfortable right now because he'll need an offseason to work on his core strength again. That's normal.

As far as I'm concerned -- I expected few things from Dwight and he mostly delivered. I expected good D on a consistent basis. So far, he is providing that, while having some room for improvement, and that's good. Not that Drew wasn't an excellent defender. He was, but he played it in a "Kobe fashion" -- when he felt like it. Ie. not consistently. Dwight plays defense differently then Drew, which is obvious, but that's alright. If it's effective, don't change it too much.

Next, he rebounds really well, and grabbing 12 rpg is not easy on this Laker team. So far, so good. The effort is there.

But man, I expected him to hit at least 55% of his Free Throws. That's not happening, and his shoulder injury is definitely not going to help that. I wonder if he can address this in the off season somehow. Because a hair under 50% won't cut it. I'm sorry, but it's true.

As far as his personality goes, it doesn't bother me much. But then, almost nothing bothers me in general and when I'm watching basketball I'm not paying attention whether Dwight is a primadonna, Kobe is an arrogant jerk, Bynum parks in a handicapped spot and Pau is a wuss. Honestly, none of that bothers me. Actually the only thing that ever bothered me on the Lakers was Shaq's (disrespectful) lack of work ethic.... but then Shaq was a dominant winner, and that's why I liked having him on my team.

But not playing as a team and putting an inadequate product on the floor because the guys are not on the same page (and are tiptoeing around each other) -- that does bother me. It seems they are working on that, they are developing chemistry, talking about issues openly and that's great to see. I want more W's. That's all.

If Dwight truly wants to be a real leader, he will have to work on that. I think he can do it, but it's not easy. God knows Kobe wasn't exactly easy to work with when he was younger. But he is much better now. Some people, like Fish for example, are born leaders.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Ice-Fire on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:38 pm

I have seen people say Howard is a Ben Wallace clone with better offense, but to me he can be a Bill Russell clone if he had that mind-set, but I don't think he has the intelligence/will to be a Bill Russell.
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Dwight’s Touches

Postby lyth on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:49 pm

Here is the log from tonight.

New Orleans (Jan. 29, 2013)
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DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (1st QTR)
  • 11:30 10-feet from Bryant
  • 10:50 10-feet from Bryant
  • 8:25 23-feet from Artest
  • 8:15 at-rim from Bryant
  • 7:15 at-rim from Nash
  • 6:45 at-rim from Bryant
  • 6:20 at-rim from Clark
  • 5:05 at-rim from Bryant
  • 4:20 at-rim from Gasol
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (2nd QTR)
  • 8:15 18-feet from Blake
  • 8:05 18-feet from Blake
  • 6:30 10-feet from Nash
  • 5:20 10-feet from Meeks
  • 4:40 at-rim from Gasol
  • 4:15 10-feet from Nash
  • 2:15 at-rim from Gasol
  • def-rebound
  • 1:30 10-feet from Nash
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (3rd QTR)
  • 11:05 at-rim from Nash
  • 10:55 at-rim from Bryant
  • 10:10 at-rim from Bryant
  • 9:30 at-rim from Nash
  • 8:45 10-feet from Nash
  • 8:20 10-feet from Nash
  • 6:00 at-rim from Gasol
  • 5:30 10-feet from Bryant
  • 4:55 at-rim from Bryant
  • 3:55 at-rim from Gasol
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (4th QTR)
  • 11:35 15-feet from Blake
  • 10:50 10-feet from Blake
  • 10:45 at-rim from Blake
  • 10:40 23-feet from Clark
  • 8:30 def-rebound
  • 8:10 def-rebound
  • 7:50 def-rebound
  • 7:20 def-rebound
  • 4:45 23-feet from Clark
  • 3:15 10-feet from Nash
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:09 pm

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby karacha on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:10 pm

Scored a lot of points. Good. But, this is what I liked even more: defense. Defense. More defense. Steals. Defense. Blocked shots. :bow:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Weezy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:16 pm

That defense was awesome, deflections, steals, absolute rejections. On offense he got spoon-fed and he was having a dunk fest, fun to watch.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:37 pm

Yeah I know he likes posting up, but he hasn't been effective there. I'm glad he's accepted getting the ball in other areas instead of needing it in the post.

Defensively... damn. These are the kinds of games we thought we'd see more of. His energy was high and his effort was there. Hopefully he can keep this up.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:58 am

DPOTY performance today but he needs to keep it going
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:38 am

Holy Crap :man4: When Dwight is reasonably healthy and into it, he defends out on the perimeter too like a small forward with that quickness of his. :bow: :bow:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:04 am

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:DPOTY performance today but he needs to keep it going


I think he has a higher level of confidence that there will be at least an attempt at a rotation behind him now..... thus he's out there stopping the ball.

N.O. had a few chances at the rim last night off of missed rotations but it seems to be getting better.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:08 am

He tied his career high in steals at 5 and added 4 blocks as well.

He should pressure more bigs when they have the ball. That back tap he had against Lopez (a move borrowed from Artest's playbook) is going to be there a lot. There's not a whole lot of big man ball handlers out there and he's quick enough to bother them, even with a slow back.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby JLaker17 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:09 am

Dwight is a solid defender when not engaged on the offensive end, but when you get him the ball he turns into that DPOY.
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Dwight’s Touches

Postby lyth on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:44 pm

Here is the log from tonight.

Phoenix (Jan. 30, 2013)
Spoiler:
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (1st QTR)
  • 11:10 23-feet from Artest
  • 10:00 at-rim from Bryant
  • 9:15 at-rim from Bryant
  • 8:45 10-feet from Artest
  • 7:20 23-feet from Nash
  • 6:25 def-rebound
  • 5:25 def-rebound
  • 4:20 def-rebound
  • 3:55 def-rebound
  • 3:25 def-rebound
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (2nd QTR)
  • 8:15 at-rim from Gasol
  • 7:50 at-rim from Blake
  • 7:50 23-feet from Clark
  • 7:05 10-feet from Blake
  • 6:50 def-rebound
  • 5:25 at-rim from Nash
  • 5:15 10-feet from Clark
  • 5:00 def-rebound
  • 3:35 10-feet from Clark
  • 3:05 def-rebound
  • 2:55 23-feet from Bryant
  • 2:50 at-rim from Bryant
  • 2:20 at-rim from Bryant
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (3rd QTR)
  • 8:35 off-rebound
  • 8:25 def-rebound
  • 7:00 at-rim from Artest
  • 6:10 off-rebound
  • 4:45 10-feet from Nash
  • 4:05 off-rebound
  • 2:45 10-feet Artest
DWIGHT’S TOUCHES (4th QTR)
  • 7:55 off-rebound
  • 6:55 off-rebound
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:50 pm

please let his shoulder be ok.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:09 pm

6:25 def-rebound
5:25 def-rebound
4:20 def-rebound
3:55 def-rebound
3:25 def-rebound

Dominated the boards for a stretch. Hope he can continue playing through the shoulder injuries, we can't make the playoffs without him.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby The Rock on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:10 pm

Suns went on a 19-8 run after Dwight got hurt UGH
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Kit on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:17 pm

Whole new level of Hack A-Dwight!!!
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Finwë on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:19 pm

This injury could be decisive.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:21 pm

We need this guy, he needs to be OK :man6:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby Weezy on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:21 pm

We need this guy, now I get why so many want to keep him going forward, our defense goes to hell when he goes out. He was deterring shots at the rim and grabbing boards down the stretch before he went out, we need him this season or we are done no question.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: a shoulder to cry on

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:23 pm

The thing is...this type of injury was inevitable. It was only a matter of time before someone swung down on a shot attempt of his and reaggravated the shoulder. There's no avoiding that in basketball, especially as a big man that can't shoot FTs.

If he's out for a lengthy period of time the team is finished. They won't win a single game on this road trip without him.
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