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Postby Psychobroker on Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:25 am

defensive rebounding % is down 6%... from his career high last year of 33.1% - his biggest swing/drop in his career. Gotta be his back, but still stinks..
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Postby borri on Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:25 am

Psychobroker wrote:defensive rebounding % is down 6%... from his career high last year of 33.1% - his biggest swing/drop in his career. Gotta be his back, but still stinks..


Don't forget. D12 is forced to help much much more now. Thusly, he can't rebound the ball as much as he did in ORL.
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Postby GoldenKnight on Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:18 am

This thread makes me embarrassed to be a laker fan, a bunch of people who choose to ignore tht dwight is not 100% & want to kick him to the curb as if star players are easy to come by in the NBA, let alone the best in their position. Open your eyes, Dwight is not himself & he probably won't be this season, next season if he leaves we will be wishing we had him wearing purple & gold because we will have nobody & we will be screwed. This is no way to treat a star player that just came to L.A with the team struggling. You think another star player will want to come to be criticized like this? You think another star player is going to want to play with an old Kobe team that doesn't have Dwight in 2014? Get real. Dwight is the best C in the NBA even at 80% & we need to support the guy instead of running him out of town.
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Postby kenzo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:24 am

We, Lakers fans are SPOILED, get used to it (it's all Kobe's fault and our great history) :man9:
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:23 am

GoldenKnight wrote:This thread makes me embarrassed to be a laker fan, a bunch of people who choose to ignore tht dwight is not 100% & want to kick him to the curb as if star players are easy to come by in the NBA, let alone the best in their position. Open your eyes, Dwight is not himself & he probably won't be this season, next season if he leaves we will be wishing we had him wearing purple & gold because we will have nobody & we will be screwed. This is no way to treat a star player that just came to L.A with the team struggling. You think another star player will want to come to be criticized like this? You think another star player is going to want to play with an old Kobe team that doesn't have Dwight in 2014? Get real. Dwight is the best C in the NBA even at 80% & we need to support the guy instead of running him out of town.


Yeah.... you're right. We should all support the entire team.... I'm sure you've posted similar things in the Pau and Kobe thread.... I'll run over there and take a look to follow your lead in those as well.
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Postby Ludachris on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:31 am

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dwighthowardsdad wrote:The FO really messed this up. This wasn't well-thought out at all. Firing Mike Brown was out of impulse; not to say that wouldn't have happened; but I would have much rather hung with him until the All-Star Break and see what he did. Then after make a determination on what kind of coach would best fit this personnel.

Now, due to their own actions, they are going to be paying two coaches, IMO


I was overjoyed to be rid of Brown, personally. But one thing that's very interesting about this whole thing is the crazy dynamic going on in the FO. Jim Buss went on record as saying he was still behind Brown - he even said it would take something crazy like losing 15 in a row for him to even begin to think about doing something like firing him. But Jerry Buss put the hammer down. He saw one of those horrid losses and he was irate enough to just flat out can the guy. It was pretty shocking. Perhaps you are right and they should have given it more time, but again, I'm not complaining. I hated having Brown as coach.

But the hire of D' Antoni was truly a rush job and they had no reason to do that. Their rationale for choosing him over Phil was either complete hogwash or utter stupidity. We're all still trying to figure that one out. And yes, you are totally correct, they brought this on themselves and will be paying accordingly.

Which is why I don't believe them for a second when they say they're 100% behind D'Antoni, nor does anyone else. They killed their credibility with what they did to Brown after publicly backing him, and then the whole Phil fiasco leading to the questionable D'Antoni hiring. If they fire him now after saying over and over how much faith they have in him they'll kill any chances they have of being able to attract a qualified coach for quite a while, maybe even for as long as Jim is running the show.


^ But you've misinterpreted my post somewhat Ludachris. What I said was that there's a bit of a messed up dynamic going between the supposed united front of the FO. There's differences between Jim and Jerry and some lack of clarity as to who is in charge. It wasn't for lack of credibility that they fired Brown. Jim meant what he said. That was his hire. It was JERRY BUSS who fired him. Jim was actually behind Brown and wanted to keep him. But big daddy came down. There are two different guys, father and son, at play here. Jerry is also the one who said it was his decision to go with D' Antoni. All we know for sure is that neither Buss was going to hire Phil back.

Yeah, I gotcha. Either way, it's a mess and it is making more free agents and quality coaches think twice before coming here now (or staying)... something that never happened before. This is why I'm afraid of the future.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:55 am

Alright, we're all down on Dwight right now I get it. :man10:

The man's attitude has been disappointing lately, but I'm a believer in the inherent goodness of human beings. He's immature, but he's not a bad guy. I think he made some decisions the last few days because he's frustrated and he's obviously not having fun. I think the little bit we saw of him in the first half against Memphis was good. He was more energetic and we weren't leading at half time but our defense started out great and he was a part of that.

karacha brought up this in the Kobe Bryant thread:
Dwight is still leading the league in rebounds, he's shooting 57.6% from the field which is actually low for him, his free throws have recovered to about 50%, he's blocking 2.5 shots a game which is his most since he lead the league in '10.

And he's quite obviously physically struggling. Am I ready to declare him our future? Not until I see him dominate consistently, but certainly he's been the best Center in the league this season. That much is true.
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Postby phoenixrisingla on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:57 am

^^ This is what I've been trying to say. But of course, anyone who isnt ready to hand the franchise over to him aftrer this nightmare season is deemed a Dwight Hater. :nono2:

And you know he is immature, but for some reason I still prefer his brand of immaturity to Bynum's.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:01 am

I don't know if I prefer his immaturity to Bynum... it's different. I suppose I'd rather have a guy try a little less for a coach than try to undermine the coach by taking a three?...

:man10: the league is full of prima donas.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:05 am

therealdeal wrote:Alright, we're all down on Dwight right now I get it. :man10:

The man's attitude has been disappointing lately, but I'm a believer in the inherent goodness of human beings. He's immature, but he's not a bad guy. I think he made some decisions the last few days because he's frustrated and he's obviously not having fun. I think the little bit we saw of him in the first half against Memphis was good. He was more energetic and we weren't leading at half time but our defense started out great and he was a part of that.

karacha brought up this in the Kobe Bryant thread:
Dwight is still leading the league in rebounds, he's shooting 57.6% from the field which is actually low for him, his free throws have recovered to about 50%, he's blocking 2.5 shots a game which is his most since he lead the league in '10.

And he's quite obviously physically struggling. Am I ready to declare him our future? Not until I see him dominate consistently, but certainly he's been the best Center in the league this season. That much is true.


Howard is fighting an injury. I don't think he is 100% of course. My problem at this juncture is the complaining when he isn't putting in all the work on the floor. I have faith in Dwight but right now he is still in "Orlando" mindset which is dunk a bit and we are happy. This is the Lakers a flashy dunk is great but we want wins and rings. He has only dominated a few times but the start of last game I really loved what I was seeing from him. It reminded me of the Dwight of old of course then he got hurt. Lets see what he does tonight.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:09 am

For sure I'm with you puff.

I'm not ready to give him ANYTHING until he shows me that he wants it and he's willing to work for it. Admitting he was immature is great, the effort he showed in Memphis pre-injury was good. I want to see him go out tonight and just trash these Utah guys. Just really drag them around the floor. I know he's hurt, I know he's banged up, but he's got plenty enough to take these chumps to school.
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Postby phoenixrisingla on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:13 am

^^ You guys are both right. This season it tanked, so I'm not even as worried about production/numbers at this point.

If Dwight plays out the rest of the season with the same effort and intensity he started the memphis game with, lets start talking about the future! :jam2:
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Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:32 am

Can we force him to spend the summer living in Hakeem's basement?

Only to leave for food,toilet, and learning post moves?
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Postby PurpleNGold1 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:35 am

Chillbongo wrote:Can we force him to spend the summer living in Hakeem's basement?

Only to leave for food,toilet, and learning post moves?

at this point i would kidnap him put him in a room with drob/shaq/hakeem your gonna learn no matter what wethere you like it or not :man10:
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:42 am

Chillbongo wrote:Can we force him to spend the summer living in Hakeem's basement?

Only to leave for food,toilet, and learning post moves?

He ain't learning post moves at this point...

I'd chain him in a room with Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He might not learn technical information about the game, but he'll learn something about having the right mentality. That's for damn sure.
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Postby NeeJee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:55 am

Dwight has 3 post moves.

1. Gets the ball on the block, faces up into a (guard-like) triple threat position, either tries to dribble baseline where he will force a layup under the rim or attempt a pathetic version of a dream shake, or dribble to the paint and does his "signature" 3-step hook shot (which I haven't seen him hit in FOREVER).

2. Gets the ball on either block, does about 3 or 4 back down dribbles then spins baseline for a hook (which I have also haven't seen success in FOREVER).

3. Gets the ball on either block, faces up and dribbles towards the paint, stops in the middle of the paint, "dream shakes" his defender and throws up a finger roll/hook shot.

That's all I've ever seen from this man's post game.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:55 am

Quite frankly, I've been hard on Dwight; this isn't all his fault. The frustration of the season & everything included has seriously just left me drained. Watching these Lakers get embarrassed night in & night out just has demoralized me completely.

WTS, Dwight will re-sign. The only reason he won't; D'Antoni. He's got everything he wants here except the winning right now. That will change. So for now, always, Go Lakers! Even this season...
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Postby NeeJee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:58 am

Lakers can pay him more than any other team can as soon as the season is over. That's the only reason I think Dwight will stay. Does anyone know the exact number of how much more the Lakers can pay him?
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:04 pm

NeeJee wrote:Lakers can pay him more than any other team can as soon as the season is over. That's the only reason I think Dwight will stay. Does anyone know the exact number of how much more the Lakers can pay him?

About 120 million. Other teams can offer 88 million or so. It's something near a 30 million dollar difference.

And that's not the only reason he'd stay. There's also the LA lifestyle and the additional endorsement money he'd see in LA compared to other cities.
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Postby Ludachris on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:23 pm

Wonder how Dwight's shoulder is supposed to heal when the opposing team will continue to hack him in the post, knowing that he'll miss more than half his foul shots. He'll continue to get 5-8 shot attempts per game, not because he's not being fed the ball, but because the opposition will foul him before he takes the shot - and rightfully so. They'd be stupid not to. He's going to hurt that shoulder more, just watch.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:27 pm

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Postby Ludachris on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:28 pm

NeeJee wrote:Lakers can pay him more than any other team can as soon as the season is over. That's the only reason I think Dwight will stay. Does anyone know the exact number of how much more the Lakers can pay him?

Another big reason he will probably stay is because the fact that this organization has shown time and again that they'll dip into the luxury tax more than other teams in order to try and build a contender. If he's serious about winning in the long term, there's been no team out there that has shown that they'll spend more to do it - nor one with a better track record over the past 20 years.

This season might be a disaster. He might not be happy playing with Kobe. He might not like the coach or the system. But those are all cosmetic and short term. It's like buying a house. You can change a lot of things, but you can't make the lot bigger or change the location. Everything else can be fixed over time. He is probably well aware of the fact that this season is not indicative of how things usually work with the Lakers. And oh yeah, the big pay day will be nice too. ;)
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Postby 432J on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:35 pm

get rid of him and get something in return while you can

:man10: :man10: :man10: @ the thought of him being the "future of the lakers." to be honest, i haven't been able to tell the difference between him and tyler zeller this season. horrendous fundamentals, no post game, and a questionable attitude

why wait until he leaves in the summer and get nothing in return when they can trade him now and get something back
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Postby kenzo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:49 pm

While he's no Hakeem/KAJ in the post, he's still giving us 17/12/2.5 all while being injured.
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Postby NeeJee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:50 pm

432J wrote:get rid of him and get something in return while you can

:man10: :man10: :man10: @ the thought of him being the "future of the lakers." to be honest, i haven't been able to tell the difference between him and tyler zeller this season. horrendous fundamentals, no post game, and a questionable attitude

why wait until he leaves in the summer and get nothing in return when they can trade him now and get something back

I don't think they'll trade him during the season. If anything, they'll sign and trade him in the offseason to get more. Kellerman on ESPN radio made that point.
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