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Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:03 pm

The Rock wrote:Dwight is having problems with Nash a little bit too
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8817247/dwight-howard-says-los-angeles-lakers-play-each-other


D'Antoni said if the Lakers' chemistry was lacking, it's simply from lack of time together. For instance, he said the relationship between Howard and point guard Steve Nash on pick and rolls is "not there yet."

"I don't know if it's because of a lack of training camp, or a lack of Steve being with us from the beginning, but the relationship between Steve and Dwight's got to get a lot better," D'Antoni said. "It's not creating the easy shots that we need."

The Lakers' coach also questioned the basic premise that players need to be close off the court to play well together on it.

"I don't know. I played on a lot of teams and I never really hung out with guys all the time," D'Antoni said. "I don't think you have to love each other. But you have to respect each other with what they do on the court."


I've noticed Dwight hasn't been very prepared for Nash's passes. When he catches them he fumbles the ball a lot and it destroys the rhythm of the play. It seems no one the court is really comfortable with Nash's style of play yet. They aren't used to having a guy out there who throws passes you don't expect someone to make and it catches them off guard, especially the bigs.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:04 pm

I don't count the number of Nash passes who ended in Dwight feet/Dwight couldn't catch ...

On the PNR , I don't think D12 has the right footing to roll to the basket from the FT aera and finish at the basket like Amare or even Gortat ... plus opponents are and will clogg up the paint and force the pass to the wing players .

So far , Nash has way more chemistry with Jordan than with D12 and Pau ... Hill not being a focus at all for the opponent D is a big factor though
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:05 pm

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wcsoldier81 wrote:Can D12 and Pau stop whining and crying about everything and step their game up on the court ?

THIS.

BTW, on that article Rock posted, I have noticed a lot of miscommunication (?) between Howard and Nash or them having different ideas about what they want to do, i.e. Nash dribbling the ball top of the key waiting for Howard to come set the screen and Howard not going over there and instead waiting to get the ball on the block.

I think Nash is recognizing that Howard on the block isn't nearly as good an option as many thought and he's wanting to run P&R more and more, thus sometimes going away from the original course of action and going to the other side of the court and playing P&R with Pau (happened this last game at least once).


Dwight seems reluctant to play a lot of PnR. It's like he wants to prove he can be an elite back to basket center even though he's clearly not good enough to do it consistently. Maybe all that criticism from Shaq got to him. :freak2:
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Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:07 pm

I agree I feel like hill has been the only one to be able to be ready for Nash's passes and actually finish at the rim. but that's also bc the d would rather hill shoot than our wings but with Dwight they'd rather our wings bc were shooting terrible recently. went from 6th to 4th in 3 point % in the league past few games. metta at 11% wtf! Meeks at 26%!
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:08 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
The Rock wrote:Dwight is having problems with Nash a little bit too
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8817247/dwight-howard-says-los-angeles-lakers-play-each-other


D'Antoni said if the Lakers' chemistry was lacking, it's simply from lack of time together. For instance, he said the relationship between Howard and point guard Steve Nash on pick and rolls is "not there yet."

"I don't know if it's because of a lack of training camp, or a lack of Steve being with us from the beginning, but the relationship between Steve and Dwight's got to get a lot better," D'Antoni said. "It's not creating the easy shots that we need."

The Lakers' coach also questioned the basic premise that players need to be close off the court to play well together on it.

"I don't know. I played on a lot of teams and I never really hung out with guys all the time," D'Antoni said. "I don't think you have to love each other. But you have to respect each other with what they do on the court."


I've noticed Dwight hasn't been very prepared for Nash's passes. When he catches them he fumbles the ball a lot and it destroys the rhythm of the play. It seems no one the court is really comfortable with Nash's style of play yet. They aren't used to having a guy out there who throws passes you don't expect someone to make and it catches them off guard, especially the bigs.


Dwight isn't good at catching "waist level" passes when he's on the move ... had the same pb with Kobe passes earlier in the season
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:10 pm

I honestly cannot figure out what's going on with our shooting. I've never seen a TEAM slump like this for so long. We were top 6 in 3pt% for a while and under MDA we were knocking it down at a 40% clip. Now we're ranked 14th and the team has been abysmal from 3 since the beginning of December. It's like we can't do anything right these days
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby borri on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:15 pm

Seems to me, D12 and Pau want to be the focus of attention. D12 wants it like he had it in ORL. Offense goes through him with shooter surrounding him. Pau wants it on the left elbow so he can initiate the offense.

Problem, when you have Nash on your team, the ball is and SHOULD be in his hands. Pau and D12 so far have been incapable and almost unwilling to take part in the pic and roll game.

Our bigs want a half court slow it down offense. Our coach wants the opposite.

Kobe, he just wants to win. He'll beast in any offense.
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Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:17 pm

If players can't coexist with Nash then they are basketball-retarded. I wouldn't want a player on my team who can't adjust to Nash's style.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby The Rock on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:21 pm

Pau is just listing excuses and knows the media will take his side because he won 2 rings and hes a nice guy. He means nothing coming out of his mouth. Dwight's just coming from a place of frustration that we're not winning and that hes not able to dominate. Both of them need to suck it up and just play instead of dwelling on it.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby borri on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:22 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:If players can't coexist with Nash then they are basketball-retarded. I wouldn't want a player on my team who can't adjust to Nash's style.


I don't have a problem with what Pau and D12 wants. It has worked a ton in the past. ORL did make deep runs into the playoffs many years, and got to the Finals. We've won how many CHIPs under the "Shaq TRI".

Kobe doesn't give a bleep what offense we run. He just wants to win.

Pau can kiss my butt. He's done. I don't care what he wants.

Nash can play like the DAL Nash. He was effective there too, numbers weren't as gaudy as PHX.

We have a coach who is coaching a system with mismatched parts. That's the problem IMO.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:32 pm

borri wrote:We have a coach who is coaching a system with mismatched parts. That's the problem IMO.


Hmmmm... Interesting theory, seems like I've heard is somewhere before.......

I'd go so far as to say that our issues have been floor balance REGARDLESS OF WHO THE COACH has been. We don't have players that complement each other and we have a bunch of guys who are used to being the focus of their teams. I don't care how much fans think that a bunch of allstars can magically play together it usually fails more than it succeeds if you look at the past of most major pro sports..... or at the very least it takes a while to learn to play together in sacrificial roles.....

My issue has always been with our forwards. Neither really fit with Nash, Kobe and Dwight. We need floor stretchers and athletes at those positions to balance out the age/experience at the others.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:37 pm

It's crazy how the focus has been on Pau role in the offense , D12 wanted post ups over PNR ... we're the 6th best offensive in the league ... defense is the number one pb of this team and very few are talking about it
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:41 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
borri wrote:We have a coach who is coaching a system with mismatched parts. That's the problem IMO.


Hmmmm... Interesting theory, seems like I've heard is somewhere before.......

I'd go so far as to say that our issues have been floor balance REGARDLESS OF WHO THE COACH has been. We don't have players that complement each other and we have a bunch of guys who are used to being the focus of their teams. I don't care how much fans think that a bunch of allstars can magically play together it usually fails more than it succeeds if you look at the past of most major pro sports..... or at the very least it takes a while to learn to play together in sacrificial roles.....

My issue has always been with our forwards. Neither really fit with Nash, Kobe and Dwight. We need floor stretchers and athletes at those positions to balance out the age/experience at the others.


Yep I'd go as far as this statement : our team needs "new" starting SF and PF ... and new backups at the 1, 2 and 3 positions .. a mix of some younger players AND 2 way players .

Kobe , Nash , D12 and Hill are keepers , a couple of veterans like Duhon and Jamison ... the rest of the roster should go in a perfect world
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Postby The Rock on Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:04 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:It's crazy how the focus has been on Pau role in the offense , D12 wanted post ups over PNR ... we're the 6th best offensive in the league ... defense is the number one pb of this team and very few are talking about it


MWP + Pau + Morris = 72 mins Friday night 2/14 4 points. WE cant have regular rotation players play big minutes and contribute nothing on offense and have Kobe drop 30+ every night. Its not sustainable. If these guys help relieve offensive responsibilities from Kobe and bring balance to the team, they're outworking the opposition and they can tire them out on the end. These guys are not being a threat right now and its hurting the team
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Postby Nikez on Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:17 pm

If anything pau should be our first option in the post and dwight should be setting picks for nash and kobe ALL GAME LONG
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Finwë on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:32 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
On the PNR , I don't think D12 has the right footing to roll to the basket from the FT aera and finish at the basket like Amare or even Gortat ... plus opponents are and will clogg up the paint and force the pass to the wing players .

Noticed this too. Unless he pulls off a spin move, he's pretty limited in those kinds of plays
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Postby borri on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:57 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
borri wrote:We have a coach who is coaching a system with mismatched parts. That's the problem IMO.


Hmmmm... Interesting theory, seems like I've heard is somewhere before.......


Been saying it since Antoni was hired. Hoping and praying that Pau PnR with Nash could salvage this hire.....well, we know how that went.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:34 pm

Despite that unfortunate decision to try and pass to Nash and extremely unlucky block that went right to Gallo Dwight played a fantastic game and looked to have some of his spring back in his legs. Too bad our record when he grabs 26+ rebounds is 0-1.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby The Rock on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:35 pm

He had a fantastic rebounding game and blew it at the end with that dumb turnover. Mental mistake. Cost us the game UGH.
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Postby Pig Miller on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:36 pm

MRI for dwight's shoulder tomorrow.

this is a twilight zone of nba seasons.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:41 pm

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Dwight re-aggravated his shoulder. Is expected to have an MRI tomorrow.
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Postby Finwë on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:43 pm

Awesome.
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Postby lakersyunowin on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:46 pm

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:49 pm

dwight was phenomenal tonight. besides the 26 rebounds, he was a great at protecting the rim.

soon, it's going to be time to think about how we surround dwight with the right talent for the remainder of his career.
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Postby lakersyunowin on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:50 pm

Pig Miller wrote:dwight was phenomenal tonight. besides the 26 rebounds, he was a great at protecting the rim.

soon, it's going to be time to think about how we surround dwight with the right talent for the remainder of his career.

IF he stays...which doesn't seem that ridiculous a variable lately.
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