Dwight Discussion: Dwightmare on Figueroa St. Part Boo

LTLakerFan wrote:

laakers wrote:Every time Dwight and Nash ran a high pick and roll, instead of setting a hard screen on Chalmers, Dwight slipped the screen every time. Coincidentally, Dwight hardly got open down low. I don't know what's so appealing about slipping screens to Dwight

I've noticed this too, Dwight doesn't seem to set a lot of well timed, solid screens. What's the point if you don't pick the man? What's the point in not doing them correctly?

I can understand doing this on occasion, but I really have no idea why he seems to do it every single possession. The only thing I can think of is that he's afraid of picking up fouls.

Anyway, I thought Dwight was solid for us out there. He made a huge impact defensively.

^^ word.

Set a damn proper screen. I noticed he just slips without even MAKING CONTACT. not gonna get a good angle from the pass or the pass alone.

D12 just had 7 shots. As the best center in the league, 17 shots should be more reasonable. I blame this on MDA. He is not using D12 well.

I think he slips the screens so often to avoid foul trouble.. That's the only thing that would make sense to me.

We really don't have a young Kobe to bail us out. Dwight needs to make his free throws unlike Shaquille who had that luxury

odom1year wrote:D12 just had 7 shots. As the best center in the league, 17 shots should be more reasonable. I blame this on MDA. He is not using D12 well.

WOW... You actually didn't blame Kobe. WOW. It happened.

The Heat's trapping of the ball had more to do with that..... oh well this is still a huge thing. It wasn't Kobe's fault.

Phil Jackson would be getting better use out of D12 and Gasol. No doubt about it.

odom1year wrote:D12 just had 7 shots. As the best center in the league, 17 shots should be more reasonable. I blame this on MDA. He is not using D12 well.

Just stop...

Dude had 13 FT attempts and 2 assists, the touches are already there... You do know a shot attempt is not recorded when you are fouled, right?

17 shots/game for Dwight, I can't even do that in NBA2k...

Congo Cash wrote:

odom1year wrote:D12 just had 7 shots. As the best center in the league, 17 shots should be more reasonable. I blame this on MDA. He is not using D12 well.

Just stop...

Dude had 13 FT attempts and 2 assists, the touches are already there... You do know a shot attempt is not recorded when you are fouled, right?

17 shots/game for Dwight, I can't even do that in NBA2k...

Not to mention the TO's.

Lakeshow24 wrote:Phil Jackson would be getting better use out of D12 and Gasol. No doubt about it.

He would.. I admit I thought having MDA get the most out of Nash would be better for us, because I thought Dwight was good enough to get his no matter what, & Pau is a lost cause. But no doubt we'd be better off with Phil. Dwight would have the offense ran through him & be lead by a coach he has no choice but to respect. I'd take Nash not being used right in the triangle if it meant us playing inside out. We look so dominant when Dwight has great games.

Scnottaken wrote:

Congo Cash wrote:

odom1year wrote:D12 just had 7 shots. As the best center in the league, 17 shots should be more reasonable. I blame this on MDA. He is not using D12 well.

Just stop...

Dude had 13 FT attempts and 2 assists, the touches are already there... You do know a shot attempt is not recorded when you are fouled, right?

17 shots/game for Dwight, I can't even do that in NBA2k...

Not to mention the TO's.

And the fouls that were called on the floor, which resulted in no shots.

No point even arguing with Odom1year, half the time he doesn't watch any of the games and has no idea what is going on.

Doc Brown wrote:
And the fouls that were called on the floor, which resulted in no shots.

This is the best kind of foul on Howard..... otherwise it's .5 turnovers on average..... and an entire turnover with an airball on top down the stretch......

Rooscooter wrote:

Doc Brown wrote:
And the fouls that were called on the floor, which resulted in no shots.

This is the best kind of foul on Howard..... otherwise it's .5 turnovers on average..... and an entire turnover with an airball on top down the stretch......

Yeah I'm actually fine when these fouls don't result in FTs ... I often shout " on the side , on the side , no shot "

thisbjgz wrote:^^ word.

Set a damn proper screen. I noticed he just slips without even MAKING CONTACT. not gonna get a good angle from the pass or the pass alone.

that is the type of screen MDA is asking him to make... Dwight mentioned it earlier in the year. That's exactly how Amare did it.

Center Court wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:^^ word.

Set a damn proper screen. I noticed he just slips without even MAKING CONTACT. not gonna get a good angle from the pass or the pass alone.

that is the type of screen MDA is asking him to make... Dwight mentioned it earlier in the year. That's exactly how Amare did it.

There is a huge problem if anyone is being asked to play the game how Amare did/does......

Center Court wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:^^ word.

Set a damn proper screen. I noticed he just slips without even MAKING CONTACT. not gonna get a good angle from the pass or the pass alone.

that is the type of screen MDA is asking him to make... Dwight mentioned it earlier in the year. That's exactly how Amare did it.

He set screens like that all the time in Orlando actually. He sets a fake screen, the defender reacts to it, it gives the offensive player the angle, the opposing Center now has to step out and Dwight is open for the lob.

That worked all day in Orlando, it doesn't work here. Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.

Center Court wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:^^ word.

Set a damn proper screen. I noticed he just slips without even MAKING CONTACT. not gonna get a good angle from the pass or the pass alone.

that is the type of screen MDA is asking him to make... Dwight mentioned it earlier in the year. That's exactly how Amare did it.

Yeah, count me in as one who doesn't totally get that. I can understand doing the slip screen some of the time for quicker cuts to the basket. But last night that wasn't working at all. Miami was double covering Nash high when he had the ball. If you want him to get free you better set a real screen on one of the guys. We never adjusted to that double coverage either. Someone needed to come out and either screen high and hard or a smaller guy needed to come out and get closer to Nash for the pass. We saw the same thing over and over for both sides and the bottom line is that Miami's defense was better than our offense especially down the stretch. They got the stops they needed.

therealdeal wrote:Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.

This is what I was worried about when we got Howard. The specifics of his success in Orlando are not present here. He's doing the best he can but the pieces just aren't here to have the flow he is used to having.

Rooscooter wrote:

therealdeal wrote:Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.

This is what I was worried about when we got Howard. The specifics of his success in Orlando are not present here. He's doing the best he can but the pieces just aren't here to have the flow he is used to having.

But he's still effective right now and I think he can still be effective, we just have to adjust. We can't stand around on the pick and roll, make cuts to the basket. It's almost that simple. With Clark in the lineup, that's why he's effective. When shots go up, he's attacking the glass aggressively.

Gasol on the other hand is already back pedalling.

Lakerjones wrote:

Center Court wrote:

thisbjgz wrote:^^ word.

Set a damn proper screen. I noticed he just slips without even MAKING CONTACT. not gonna get a good angle from the pass or the pass alone.

that is the type of screen MDA is asking him to make... Dwight mentioned it earlier in the year. That's exactly how Amare did it.

Yeah, count me in as one who doesn't totally get that. I can understand doing the slip screen some of the time for quicker cuts to the basket. But last night that wasn't working at all. Miami was double covering Nash high when he had the ball. If you want him to get free you better set a real screen on one of the guys. We never adjusted to that double coverage either. Someone needed to come out and either screen high and hard or a smaller guy needed to come out and get closer to Nash for the pass. We saw the same thing over and over for both sides and the bottom line is that Miami's defense was better than our offense especially down the stretch. They got the stops they needed.

Screens were a pb ... Nash not giving up the ball quickly was another one ... you have to give up the ball as soon as the trap is coming then you can exploit 3 on 2 or 4 on 3 situations ...

Nash wanted to beat the PNR hedge by the dribble ... Miami hedges it so hard , you can't do it , especially with a slow PG like Nash ...

Congo Cash wrote:

odom1year wrote:D12 just had 7 shots. As the best center in the league, 17 shots should be more reasonable. I blame this on MDA. He is not using D12 well.

Just stop...

Dude had 13 FT attempts and 2 assists, the touches are already there... You do know a shot attempt is not recorded when you are fouled, right?

17 shots/game for Dwight, I can't even do that in NBA2k...

Well, to be fair, if you're the BEST center in the league, then there is no reason he couldn't get 17 shots per game. Shaq averaged 17 FGA or more for a season 10 times. If D12 wants to get there, he better develop a post game NOW.

Having said that, I'm not sure 17 shots is really the right number for Dwight, but 7 certainly is not regardless of whether he takes 13 FT attempts.

In general, I don't think Dwight gets the ball enough and this was well below his average as a Laker. Overall, Dwight has been underutilized this much since he was just old enough to drink.

He honestly gets enough touches. He misses free throws and turns it over too much. As it stands, he can't be the #1 scoring option on any great offensive team. Kobe and Nash are much better offensive players than he is.

therealdeal wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:

therealdeal wrote:Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.

This is what I was worried about when we got Howard. The specifics of his success in Orlando are not present here. He's doing the best he can but the pieces just aren't here to have the flow he is used to having.

But he's still effective right now and I think he can still be effective, we just have to adjust. We can't stand around on the pick and roll, make cuts to the basket. It's almost that simple. With Clark in the lineup, that's why he's effective. When shots go up, he's attacking the glass aggressively.

Gasol on the other hand is already back pedalling.

Howard is still effective.... depending on the game he's been very effective. The difference is that we cannot find a way to play off of him to get open shots like Orlando did. At the same time we cannot find a way to free him for much easier opportunities.

Lack of floor balance is the primary culprit..... and out best 3 point shooter is not seeing the floor these days either....

If Dwight leave us as free agent, i think we are starting our rebuilding process after next season.
Just think about it....
Kobe and Pau have just one more year on contract, and they can't do some serious damage, we can't eveng get to playoffs with Dwight, imagine what it would be like without him.
It's all about Dwight now......

Rooscooter wrote:

therealdeal wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:

therealdeal wrote:Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.

This is what I was worried about when we got Howard. The specifics of his success in Orlando are not present here. He's doing the best he can but the pieces just aren't here to have the flow he is used to having.

But he's still effective right now and I think he can still be effective, we just have to adjust. We can't stand around on the pick and roll, make cuts to the basket. It's almost that simple. With Clark in the lineup, that's why he's effective. When shots go up, he's attacking the glass aggressively.

Gasol on the other hand is already back pedalling.

Howard is still effective.... depending on the game he's been very effective. The difference is that we cannot find a way to play off of him to get open shots like Orlando did. At the same time we cannot find a way to free him for much easier opportunities.

Lack of floor balance is the primary culprit..... and out best 3 point shooter is not seeing the floor these days either....

Well like I said, if we stayed active around the rim, we'd be fine. Part of that is athleticism and part of that is Gasol.

Gasol complains about not being in the paint, but he doesn't seem to realize he is allowed to enter the paint to fight for rebounds. Clark on the other hand is ALWAYS fighting for rebounds. Is some of that athleticism? Yes. And some is just effort. Clark and Howard next to each other showed it can be effective (Bucks and Cavs) while Gasol and Howard hasn't shown that so far this season.

I'd say the primary culprit of not giving Dwight a break is a lack of movement. Just because we're spacing the floor doesn't mean we can't move and cut and do things to make the defense respect us.

And Meeks will get out there soon, I know it. He just needs a minute for his jets to cool down.