D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

Punk-101 wrote:Kobe: "Dwight. Do you not like playing with me?"
Dwight: "(passive-aggressive bs)"
Kobe: "I don't want to hear that bulls*** man. Tell me how you feel."
Dwight: "(more bs)"
Kobe: *stands up* "Come over here, man." *pokes Dwight in the chest* "You're a mother f****** beast and you know it! I know that you've always been the man on your team, and you're going to be the man here real soon. But right now you're not acting like a beast. You're acting like a b****! Don't get me wrong, I don't mean any disrespect. I just want the beast. I respect the hell out of the beast. Look, you know you're not going to be the man on this team while I'm still around, so tell me what I can do while I'm still here to bring out that f****** beast.

khmrP wrote:

SpencerHarrison wrote:

Center Court wrote:Honestly, Bynum was far by more the more mature player.

Agreed. Shame about those knees. And I'm not being sarcastic. It really is a shame, because his game was becoming deep.

mature as in somewhat passive/agressively agreeing with a reporter and hinting that playing with Kobe might have slowed his growth?

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

SpencerHarrison wrote:

Center Court wrote:Honestly, Bynum was far by more the more mature player.

Agreed. Shame about those knees. And I'm not being sarcastic. It really is a shame, because his game was becoming deep.

mature as in somewhat passive/agressively agreeing with a reporter and hinting that playing with Kobe might have slowed his growth?

He agreed with the reporter, because the reporter was telling the truth.

If Bynum played on a lottery team instead of a playoff team with a future HOFer, his skill development would have advanced quicker.

There was nothing passive/aggressive about the statement. Simply stating the truth.

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

SpencerHarrison wrote:

Center Court wrote:Honestly, Bynum was far by more the more mature player.

Agreed. Shame about those knees. And I'm not being sarcastic. It really is a shame, because his game was becoming deep.

mature as in somewhat passive/agressively agreeing with a reporter and hinting that playing with Kobe might have slowed his growth?

He agreed with the reporter, because the reporter was telling the truth.

If Bynum played on a lottery team instead of a playoff team with a future HOFer, his skill development would have advanced quicker.

There was nothing passive/aggressive about the statement. Simply stating the truth.

right cause you know its not like that HOFer took attention away from him and got him easy looks in the paint right?

khmrP wrote:right cause you know its not like that HOFer took attention away from him and got him easy looks in the paint right?

revgen wrote:The attention Kobe drew mostly came from double-teams which opened up Bynum for lobs for dunks. That's not necessarily conducive to improving a person's postup game.

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:The attention Kobe drew mostly came from double-teams which opened up Bynum for lobs for dunks. That's not necessarily conducive to improving a person's postup game.

and we saw just how great his supposed offensive game was w/o Bryant in the lineup, shooting the mid to low 40% with a bunch of TO's, no different then Howard regardless of how small that stretch of games were. There's no difference between Bynum/Howard maturity in regards to wanting their post touches regardless of whos more effective at it, only difference here is one would be blunt and truthful the other is two faced, I like neither to be honest.

Rooscooter wrote:

khmrP wrote:right cause you know its not like that HOFer took attention away from him and got him easy looks in the paint right?

I'm confused..... are we talking about Howard or Bynum?... One of them "benefited" and the other one can't seem to.....

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:The attention Kobe drew mostly came from double-teams which opened up Bynum for lobs for dunks. That's not necessarily conducive to improving a person's postup game.

and we saw just how great his supposed offensive game was w/o Bryant in the lineup, shooting the mid to low 40% with a bunch of TO's, no different then Howard regardless of how small that stretch of games were. There's no difference between Bynum/Howard maturity in regards to wanting their post touches regardless of whos more effective at it, only difference here is one would be blunt and truthful the other is two faced, I like neither to be honest.

That's because last season, other than Kobe, our perimeter shooting was awful. It wasn't just Bynum that stunk it up without Kobe. Pau did too.

khmrP wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:

khmrP wrote:right cause you know its not like that HOFer took attention away from him and got him easy looks in the paint right?

I'm confused..... are we talking about Howard or Bynum?... One of them "benefited" and the other one can't seem to.....

that comment doesn't have any connotation on effectiveness of either playing next to Howard, I'm just arguing how some of these fans are can so easily forget bout Bynum "maturity" compared to Howard. There's no difference between the two to me, one is just more blunt with his bellyaching the other not so much.

therealdeal wrote:Man it's about damn time. I've been waiting to read about a pow-wow like this forever. I'm glad Kobe spoke up, I'm glad Nash spoke up, and I'm glad even D'Antoni spoke up.

What's hilarious is that it sounds like D'Antoni is the one who is outside looking in. Dwight and Kobe talking about playing with each other is extremely important. They need to figure each other out more.

But the BEST thing is Nash. Reading that he doesn't care about which offense they run really cements in my mind two things:
1. He wouldn't mind if D'Antoni was gone .
2. (and more seriously) He's exactly the teammate we need in this situation. The guy willing to sacrifice to make the team better and to make the pieces fit.

Hopefully this gave Dwight some food for thought and reminded him of exactly what it means to be here and what he said when he arrived. If he's serious about winning, we'll see a different team playing tonight.

Rooscooter wrote:

khmrP wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:

khmrP wrote:right cause you know its not like that HOFer took attention away from him and got him easy looks in the paint right?

I'm confused..... are we talking about Howard or Bynum?... One of them "benefited" and the other one can't seem to.....

that comment doesn't have any connotation on effectiveness of either playing next to Howard, I'm just arguing how some of these fans are can so easily forget bout Bynum "maturity" compared to Howard. There's no difference between the two to me, one is just more blunt with his bellyaching the other not so much.

I'm not sure what Bynum has to do with our current situation..... but to say that the maturity level is "equal" is not a truthful statement IMO. Bynum had issues with his temper and his role.... no doubt. He voiced some issues he had with Kobe after his time here.... but he was also a 20 year old kid thrown into the national spotlight by a parking lot video of Kobe voicing his opinion of him that just may have had something to do with forming his final view of the Lakers and Kobe.

Bynum always seem to want to win.... even through all the childish crap..... I'm not so sure I can say that about Howard's form of immaturity.

khmrP wrote:
not to me, both seem to care more bout their stats then winning. Lets not forget Phil had to specifically identify the role he wanted Bynum to play before we went on that winning streak that one season. Granted maybe Howard should follow that path but given his developement as the main guy from Orl. you cant expect him to be the "Chandler" type of C so easily, just look at Mr. Vet Pau over there pouting bout going to the bench.

Rooscooter wrote:... Bynum isn't here and it's not really appropriate for this thread.

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:The attention Kobe drew mostly came from double-teams which opened up Bynum for lobs for dunks. That's not necessarily conducive to improving a person's postup game.

and we saw just how great his supposed offensive game was w/o Bryant in the lineup, shooting the mid to low 40% with a bunch of TO's, no different then Howard regardless of how small that stretch of games were. There's no difference between Bynum/Howard maturity in regards to wanting their post touches regardless of whos more effective at it, only difference here is one would be blunt and truthful the other is two faced, I like neither to be honest.

That's because last season, other than Kobe, our perimeter shooting was awful. It wasn't just Bynum that stunk it up without Kobe. Pau did too.

and whats changed this year? Outside of Nash who doesn't like to shoot anyways, the overall perimiter shooters have not improved one bit and not to mention this offense doesn't utilize the post. Regardless of how inefficient Howard is compared to Bynum, I see Bynum doing the same thing as Howard is right now, giving half-arse effort out there if he was still here playing this style of O.

Legendary wrote:And...why are we talking about Bynum?

Rooscooter wrote:

khmrP wrote:
not to me, both seem to care more bout their stats then winning. Lets not forget Phil had to specifically identify the role he wanted Bynum to play before we went on that winning streak that one season. Granted maybe Howard should follow that path but given his developement as the main guy from Orl. you cant expect him to be the "Chandler" type of C so easily, just look at Mr. Vet Pau over there pouting bout going to the bench.

We'll have to see this differently I'm afraid..... Bynum isn't here and it's not really appropriate for this thread.

I will say that you have moved your position on Howard significantly from last summer....... and stayed exactly the same on Bynum.....

Rooscooter wrote:

khmrP wrote:right cause you know its not like that HOFer took attention away from him and got him easy looks in the paint right?

I'm confused..... are we talking about Howard or Bynum?... One of them "benefited" and the other one can't seem to.....

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:The attention Kobe drew mostly came from double-teams which opened up Bynum for lobs for dunks. That's not necessarily conducive to improving a person's postup game.

and we saw just how great his supposed offensive game was w/o Bryant in the lineup, shooting the mid to low 40% with a bunch of TO's, no different then Howard regardless of how small that stretch of games were. There's no difference between Bynum/Howard maturity in regards to wanting their post touches regardless of whos more effective at it, only difference here is one would be blunt and truthful the other is two faced, I like neither to be honest.

That's because last season, other than Kobe, our perimeter shooting was awful. It wasn't just Bynum that stunk it up without Kobe. Pau did too.

and whats changed this year? Outside of Nash who doesn't like to shoot anyways, the overall perimiter shooters have not improved one bit and not to mention this offense doesn't utilize the post. Regardless of how inefficient Howard is compared to Bynum, I see Bynum doing the same thing as Howard is right now, giving half-arse effort out there if he was still here playing this style of O.

1) Wrong. We are ranked #15 in 3pt shooting this season. We were ranked #25 last season. That's a considerable improvement.

2) I don't see a lack of effort from Howard this season or Bynum last season. It's their teammates who aren't making the effort to help them when they leave to help with the exception of Earl Clark this season.

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:The attention Kobe drew mostly came from double-teams which opened up Bynum for lobs for dunks. That's not necessarily conducive to improving a person's postup game.

and we saw just how great his supposed offensive game was w/o Bryant in the lineup, shooting the mid to low 40% with a bunch of TO's, no different then Howard regardless of how small that stretch of games were. There's no difference between Bynum/Howard maturity in regards to wanting their post touches regardless of whos more effective at it, only difference here is one would be blunt and truthful the other is two faced, I like neither to be honest.

That's because last season, other than Kobe, our perimeter shooting was awful. It wasn't just Bynum that stunk it up without Kobe. Pau did too.

and whats changed this year? Outside of Nash who doesn't like to shoot anyways, the overall perimiter shooters have not improved one bit and not to mention this offense doesn't utilize the post. Regardless of how inefficient Howard is compared to Bynum, I see Bynum doing the same thing as Howard is right now, giving half-arse effort out there if he was still here playing this style of O.

1) Wrong. We are ranked #15 in 3pt shooting this season. We were ranked #25 last season. That's a considerable improvement.

2) I don't see a lack of effort from Howard this season or Bynum last season. It's their teammates who aren't making the effort to help them when they leave to help with the exception of Earl Clark this season.

SpencerHarrison wrote:Ok we get it - dude with the Howard avatar supports Howard.

That being said, the case he's making against Bynum is flimsy and belongs elsewhere.

Dwight has been a colossal disappointment so far, and has a LOT to prove.