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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:18 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
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therealdeal wrote:Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.


This is what I was worried about when we got Howard. The specifics of his success in Orlando are not present here. He's doing the best he can but the pieces just aren't here to have the flow he is used to having.

But he's still effective right now and I think he can still be effective, we just have to adjust. We can't stand around on the pick and roll, make cuts to the basket. It's almost that simple. With Clark in the lineup, that's why he's effective. When shots go up, he's attacking the glass aggressively.

Gasol on the other hand is already back pedalling.


Howard is still effective.... depending on the game he's been very effective. The difference is that we cannot find a way to play off of him to get open shots like Orlando did. At the same time we cannot find a way to free him for much easier opportunities.

Lack of floor balance is the primary culprit..... and out best 3 point shooter is not seeing the floor these days either....

Well like I said, if we stayed active around the rim, we'd be fine. Part of that is athleticism and part of that is Gasol.

Gasol complains about not being in the paint, but he doesn't seem to realize he is allowed to enter the paint to fight for rebounds. Clark on the other hand is ALWAYS fighting for rebounds. Is some of that athleticism? Yes. And some is just effort. Clark and Howard next to each other showed it can be effective (Bucks and Cavs) while Gasol and Howard hasn't shown that so far this season.

I'd say the primary culprit of not giving Dwight a break is a lack of movement. Just because we're spacing the floor doesn't mean we can't move and cut and do things to make the defense respect us.

And Meeks will get out there soon, I know it. He just needs a minute for his jets to cool down.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:44 pm

Armani wrote:He honestly gets enough touches. He misses free throws and turns it over too much. As it stands, he can't be the #1 scoring option on any great offensive team. Kobe and Nash are much better offensive players than he is.

Yeah he gets "enough". Could he get more? Sure. Part of that is teams cut of the entry pass. The other part is that our players are late getting him the ball when he is open.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby JGC on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:50 pm

therealdeal wrote:
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therealdeal wrote:
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therealdeal wrote:Nash isn't as quick as Nelson, Howard isn't as explosive as he used to be, and we don't have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to keep teams from collapsing.


This is what I was worried about when we got Howard. The specifics of his success in Orlando are not present here. He's doing the best he can but the pieces just aren't here to have the flow he is used to having.

But he's still effective right now and I think he can still be effective, we just have to adjust. We can't stand around on the pick and roll, make cuts to the basket. It's almost that simple. With Clark in the lineup, that's why he's effective. When shots go up, he's attacking the glass aggressively.

Gasol on the other hand is already back pedalling.


Howard is still effective.... depending on the game he's been very effective. The difference is that we cannot find a way to play off of him to get open shots like Orlando did. At the same time we cannot find a way to free him for much easier opportunities.

Lack of floor balance is the primary culprit..... and out best 3 point shooter is not seeing the floor these days either....

Well like I said, if we stayed active around the rim, we'd be fine. Part of that is athleticism and part of that is Gasol.

Gasol complains about not being in the paint, but he doesn't seem to realize he is allowed to enter the paint to fight for rebounds. Clark on the other hand is ALWAYS fighting for rebounds. Is some of that athleticism? Yes. And some is just effort. Clark and Howard next to each other showed it can be effective (Bucks and Cavs) while Gasol and Howard hasn't shown that so far this season.

I'd say the primary culprit of not giving Dwight a break is a lack of movement. Just because we're spacing the floor doesn't mean we can't move and cut and do things to make the defense respect us.

And Meeks will get out there soon, I know it. He just needs a minute for his jets to cool down.


I think these are great points. And on the other side of the ball too, we just don't have anyone who does a good job playing off the ball. Maybe Jamison, that's it. Maybe MWP sometimes. No one else moves unless they have the ball.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:45 pm

Clark plays really well off the ball actually.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:21 am

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I'd say the primary culprit of not giving Dwight a break is a lack of movement.


I've said this a few times.... the lack of movement without the ball is a product of having a bunch of former primary scorers on this team. Their entire careers to this point is having the offense centered around them. Moving without the ball is not "natural" to them. Nash is a ball dominant point guard.... he's not used to floating around the outside or cutting to the basket for opportunities..... he's used to having the ball.

A guy like Clark moves without the ball better than any of our "regulars".... because that is how he gets opportunities. Guys like Kobe and Pau don't do it that well because they have always been the ones with the ball looking for cutters etc. off their play.

Moving without the ball is nothing new for us..... remember the Bynum post ups? He'd get the ball and everyone would just stand and watch.... it became very easy to defend us.... just as it is this year.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Congo Cash on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:27 am

JGC wrote:Well, to be fair, if you're the BEST center in the league, then there is no reason he couldn't get 17 shots per game. Shaq averaged 17 FGA or more for a season 10 times. If D12 wants to get there, he better develop a post game NOW.

Well...

Shaq has a superior post game, stronger, commands a double team, a superior passer, and was surrounded with shooters and cutters... You can center your offense around Shaq because he can drop 40 in his sleep...

All Dwight Howard has is that ugly hook shot...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby laakers on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:24 pm

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laakers wrote:Every time Dwight and Nash ran a high pick and roll, instead of setting a hard screen on Chalmers, Dwight slipped the screen every time. Coincidentally, Dwight hardly got open down low. I don't know what's so appealing about slipping screens to Dwight


I've noticed this too, Dwight doesn't seem to set a lot of well timed, solid screens. What's the point if you don't pick the man? What's the point in not doing them correctly?


Well the two times you want to slip a screen is when the defenders double team the ball handler or the defenders switch. Miami definitely plays pretty good pick and roll defense, that's one of their advantages of being fairly small, but either way, you need to set a good screen for a pick and roll to be effective. Pick and roll is one of Nash's best offensive weapons that we should capitalize on more.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby lakersStan24 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:33 pm

that 2nd technical on Dwight was a joke, smh
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby phoenixrisingla on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:00 pm

lakersStan24 wrote:that 2nd technical on Dwight was a joke, smh


Yeah that was BS. He gets away with a lot of little fouls with his hands/arms/elbows, maybe he should have been more careful, playing with one tech already.

But yeah, BS call.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Weezy on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:49 pm

I don't care how much of a joke either tech he got was, when you have 1 tech already, you act like a saint out there. Your team can't afford to lose you, so you just don't do ANYTHING. I have no idea how we would have done had he stayed in, but I have to think the defense would have eventually been better than it was with Pau.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby karacha on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:50 pm

Weezy wrote:I have no idea how we would have done had he stayed in, but I have to think the defense would have eventually been better than it was with Pau.


That goes without saying. Of course, he doesn't get a pass for what he did, but yeah... the D would be miles better.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:52 pm

If Dwight stays in, we probably win this game. He's that important to our defense; and Pau is that bad.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:54 pm

seems like any big rookie or vet or allstar can defend dwight with ease now.

he needs to get going early and thats up to nash and kobe to help him. when hes balling from the start his d follows suit...same with metta.

gameplan everynight on O is to get dwight going from the tip....force feed him with every scheme we got. pnr horns iso backdoor lobs everything. then the defense willl follow and then perimeter will open up for kobe nash metta jamison clark meeks (if dantoni plays him!)
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:24 pm

hopefully that ejection will get him losses off and just ball out of his mind and dominate the paint. idc push pau out the way and do it. force Kobe and Nash to get him the ball. set solid strong screens and roll hard and go up and slam it down.

it doesn't look like hell ever be the same player and that he's prob closer to his new 100% than we'd all like to think but either way we've seen times when he's been like the old him and I hope this is a wake up call. we're only 2 1/2 games behind 8th seed. we can do this but it starts with him dominating on both ends from the tip off. be the superstar you are and dominate regardless of what everyone else is doing or not.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby odom1year on Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:37 pm

D12 should behave himself. He killed our winning chance.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby JGC on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:45 pm

Congo Cash wrote:
JGC wrote:Well, to be fair, if you're the BEST center in the league, then there is no reason he couldn't get 17 shots per game. Shaq averaged 17 FGA or more for a season 10 times. If D12 wants to get there, he better develop a post game NOW.

Well...

Shaq has a superior post game, stronger, commands a double team, a superior passer, and was surrounded with shooters and cutters... You can center your offense around Shaq because he can drop 40 in his sleep...

All Dwight Howard has is that ugly hook shot...


Right. So I question whether he is in fact the best center. Or, maybe he is the best center in the league, but that it's sort of like being the thinnest contest on The Biggest Loser.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby khmrP on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 pm

he doesn't get a pass for sure but how pathetic is this team that we look like a bunch of bottom feeding (which we really are) chumps against Tor. of all teams? Clipps just won 3 in a row w/o cp3 against teams that would probably spank these guys without anyone of the main 3 (nash,kobe,howard)
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:34 am

Need to overhaul these roster in the off season. MWP, Gasol need to go... We need a Korver-type shooter.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:20 pm

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NBA rescinded Dwight Howard's second technical foul against Toronto
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Thanks NBA, a real big help there. :freak2:

Now how about you go ahead and fine that ref who couldn't keep his whistle in his pants.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Lakeshow24 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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NBA rescinded Dwight Howard's second technical foul against Toronto
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Thanks NBA, a real big help there. :freak2:

Now how about you go ahead and fine that ref who couldn't keep his whistle in his pants.


Thank you. That was the worst technical foul call I've ever seen. (Arguably though)
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby abeer3 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:30 pm

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby XXIV on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:38 pm

The NBA really needs to begin punishing refs for these type of calls, it's already a joke.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby GoldHammish on Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:51 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Mark Medina ‏@MedinaLakersNBA
NBA rescinded Dwight Howard's second technical foul against Toronto
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Thanks NBA, a real big help there. :freak2:

Now how about you go ahead and fine that ref who couldn't keep his whistle in his pants.


Thank you. That was the worst technical foul call I've ever seen. (Arguably though)

These 5 were pretty bad too
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Lakeshow24 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:00 pm

GoldHammish wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Mark Medina ‏@MedinaLakersNBA
NBA rescinded Dwight Howard's second technical foul against Toronto
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Thanks NBA, a real big help there. :freak2:

Now how about you go ahead and fine that ref who couldn't keep his whistle in his pants.


Thank you. That was the worst technical foul call I've ever seen. (Arguably though)

These 5 were pretty bad too


I'll analyze the rest of the video later, but from what I saw the first technical was warranted. Darko was acting like a clown with the air punch to the ball and his overt running to the other end of the court, etc,. It had nothing on either of the two techs Dwight had the other day.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby phoenixrisingla on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:16 pm

I'm tired of watching him bring the ball down low in the post and getting stripped by a guard.

That is all.
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