D12 Thread: Brushin' his shoulders off (Won't need surgery)

therealdeal wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:I remember all of that too.... but if we are changing coaches and moving players just to get Howard touches in his sweet spot we will become Orlando all over again..... Otis Smith and SVG bent over backwards for Howard.... and how where they thanked?....

Make Howard state he want's to be a Laker for life...... then make the moves.... don't do it the other way around. He may be the best Big in the game but he's proven nothing that really matters in Laker terms IMO.

The point I'm making is that they need to fire D'Antoni anyway. Regardless of Dwight's personal preference of coaches and touches and what have you.

The two happen to coincide but really it needs to be done regardless.

karacha wrote:PG: mostly blue, with some green
SG: yellow/teal combination
SF: jumping from blue to teal and back
PF: blue
C: yellow.

Fan base: definitely teal.

khmrP wrote:

phoenixrisingla wrote:

borri wrote:Antoni offensive needs:

1. PnR PG....Check
2. PnR big man.....nope.
3. Shooters other than Nash....nope.
4. Speed and athleticism.....nope.

Why did we hire this guy?

'Cuz Jimmy cant count past 1 and never got to the rest of the list?

I bet this Mike promised to give Jim a better set of DVD's then the other Mike

dwighthowardsdad wrote:

therealdeal wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:I remember all of that too.... but if we are changing coaches and moving players just to get Howard touches in his sweet spot we will become Orlando all over again..... Otis Smith and SVG bent over backwards for Howard.... and how where they thanked?....

Make Howard state he want's to be a Laker for life...... then make the moves.... don't do it the other way around. He may be the best Big in the game but he's proven nothing that really matters in Laker terms IMO.

The point I'm making is that they need to fire D'Antoni anyway. Regardless of Dwight's personal preference of coaches and touches and what have you.

The two happen to coincide but really it needs to be done regardless.

You're a smart poster. I like your insights. I do hope MDA is gone as well; however, a quick question. What if we bring in another coach and Dwight has the same problems? Not being involved enough or a personality clash? I mean, the only one who I realistically have confidence in to bring any sense into Dwight is Phil. However, I believe that ship has sailed...

karacha wrote:Let's be honest: Kobe has to start sharing some responsibilities as well. That's not his forte, obviously, and a superstar like him has a difficult time admitting he is declining. Sure, Dwight needs to earn his trust, but still... everyone on this team has their own share of responsibilities. Maybe Kobe should be a better leader like Magic said. I feel bad for criticizing the legend, but... maybe there's something there.

karacha wrote:Let's be honest: Kobe has to start sharing some responsibilities as well. That's not his forte, obviously, and a superstar like him has a difficult time admitting he is declining. Sure, Dwight needs to earn his trust, but still... everyone on this team has their own share of responsibilities. Maybe Kobe should be a better leader like Magic said. I feel bad for criticizing the legend, but... maybe there's something there.

last stand wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:You're a smart poster. I like your insights. I do hope MDA is gone as well; however, a quick question. What if we bring in another coach and Dwight has the same problems? Not being involved enough or a personality clash? I mean, the only one who I realistically have confidence in to bring any sense into Dwight is Phil. However, I believe that ship has sailed...

Had the same issues with Kobe. Magic as well. Oh and Jordan with Doug Collins, deron with Sloan

This isn't uncommon. Dwight by all accounts had no issues with brown. In fact he was touching the ball quite a bit with brown

karacha wrote:Just to continue from my last post: maybe Nash has to take responsibility as well in addition to Kobe. He should keep them all on the same page. Tell Kobe everyone is going to get their shots, just have to trust in him (Nash) and let him decide who is in the best position to score. Share the ball, look for each other. I love Nash, but he's not doing that right now. Kobe calls for the ball (because that's what he does), Nash agrees and proceeds to watch Kobe iso. While, at the same time, Pau and Dwight are getting really annoyed.

therealdeal wrote:

last stand wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:You're a smart poster. I like your insights. I do hope MDA is gone as well; however, a quick question. What if we bring in another coach and Dwight has the same problems? Not being involved enough or a personality clash? I mean, the only one who I realistically have confidence in to bring any sense into Dwight is Phil. However, I believe that ship has sailed...

Had the same issues with Kobe. Magic as well. Oh and Jordan with Doug Collins, deron with Sloan

This isn't uncommon. Dwight by all accounts had no issues with brown. In fact he was touching the ball quite a bit with brown

This. But to answer the question, you tackle it when it comes. Say we hire Dunleavy and Dunleavy is awful, then he deserves to be fired. Say we hire Nate McMillan and he's alright, but Howard is still unhappy well then you tackle that when it gets here.

But right now, that's not really the question. The question is how long are we going to let D'Antoni stick around when it's clear the team isn't into what he's saying? Not even Nash who is supposed to be his boy.

therealdeal wrote:

last stand wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:You're a smart poster. I like your insights. I do hope MDA is gone as well; however, a quick question. What if we bring in another coach and Dwight has the same problems? Not being involved enough or a personality clash? I mean, the only one who I realistically have confidence in to bring any sense into Dwight is Phil. However, I believe that ship has sailed...

Had the same issues with Kobe. Magic as well. Oh and Jordan with Doug Collins, deron with Sloan

This isn't uncommon. Dwight by all accounts had no issues with brown. In fact he was touching the ball quite a bit with brown

This. But to answer the question, you tackle it when it comes. Say we hire Dunleavy and Dunleavy is awful, then he deserves to be fired. Say we hire Nate McMillan and he's alright, but Howard is still unhappy well then you tackle that when it gets here.

But right now, that's not really the question. The question is how long are we going to let D'Antoni stick around when it's clear the team isn't into what he's saying? Not even Nash who is supposed to be his boy.

dwighthowardsdad wrote:The FO really messed this up. This wasn't well-thought out at all. Firing Mike Brown was out of impulse; not to say that wouldn't have happened; but I would have much rather hung with him until the All-Star Break and see what he did. Then after make a determination on what kind of coach would best fit this personnel.

Now, due to their own actions, they are going to be paying two coaches, IMO

Lakerjones wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:The FO really messed this up. This wasn't well-thought out at all. Firing Mike Brown was out of impulse; not to say that wouldn't have happened; but I would have much rather hung with him until the All-Star Break and see what he did. Then after make a determination on what kind of coach would best fit this personnel.

Now, due to their own actions, they are going to be paying two coaches, IMO

I was overjoyed to be rid of Brown, personally. But one thing that's very interesting about this whole thing is the crazy dynamic going on in the FO. Jim Buss went on record as saying he was still behind Brown - he even said it would take something crazy like losing 15 in a row for him to even begin to think about doing something like firing him. But Jerry Buss put the hammer down. He saw one of those horrid losses and he was irate enough to just flat out can the guy. It was pretty shocking. Perhaps you are right and they should have given it more time, but again, I'm not complaining. I hated having Brown as coach.

But the hire of D' Antoni was truly a rush job and they had no reason to do that. Their rationale for choosing him over Phil was either complete hogwash or utter stupidity. We're all still trying to figure that one out. And yes, you are totally correct, they brought this on themselves and will be paying accordingly.

thisbjgz wrote:Well I guess it's safe to say MDA is good as gone by next year, if not earlier. This is gonna be the 2nd coach Dwight has forced out, lmao. I feel it, history always repeats itself (Dwight last year with SVG, Deron this year AGAIN with Avery)

Ludachris wrote:

Lakerjones wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:The FO really messed this up. This wasn't well-thought out at all. Firing Mike Brown was out of impulse; not to say that wouldn't have happened; but I would have much rather hung with him until the All-Star Break and see what he did. Then after make a determination on what kind of coach would best fit this personnel.

Now, due to their own actions, they are going to be paying two coaches, IMO

I was overjoyed to be rid of Brown, personally. But one thing that's very interesting about this whole thing is the crazy dynamic going on in the FO. Jim Buss went on record as saying he was still behind Brown - he even said it would take something crazy like losing 15 in a row for him to even begin to think about doing something like firing him. But Jerry Buss put the hammer down. He saw one of those horrid losses and he was irate enough to just flat out can the guy. It was pretty shocking. Perhaps you are right and they should have given it more time, but again, I'm not complaining. I hated having Brown as coach.

But the hire of D' Antoni was truly a rush job and they had no reason to do that. Their rationale for choosing him over Phil was either complete hogwash or utter stupidity. We're all still trying to figure that one out. And yes, you are totally correct, they brought this on themselves and will be paying accordingly.

Which is why I don't believe them for a second when they say they're 100% behind D'Antoni, nor does anyone else. They killed their credibility with what they did to Brown after publicly backing him, and then the whole Phil fiasco leading to the questionable D'Antoni hiring. If they fire him now after saying over and over how much faith they have in him they'll kill any chances they have of being able to attract a qualified coach for quite a while, maybe even for as long as Jim is running the show.

Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon
Per the Lakers, Dwight Howard has been examined, found to have no further damage, and has been cleared to play.
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Lakers say Dwight Howard is cleared to play after his right shoulder was examined today.

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